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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:28:56 AM EDT
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A couple of local clubs I belong to are currently under siege by neighbors making noise complaints. The problem is, the ranges have been there for decades longer than the homeowners who are complaining-and they knew about the active ranges being nearby when they bought their property 
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The technical term is "coming to the nuisance." And the traditional rule is that if you come to the nuisance (rather than it coming to you), then you have no right to bitch. Of course, when you involve guns and children playing in yards and cute puppy dogs and soccer moms, and nebulous allegations of stray bullets, you can often find a judge willing to ignore hundreds of years of common law. There is a big difference between moving next door to a farm and getting upset that tractors run at 4AM vs. moving near a shooting range and having bullets hit your house. Complaining about the noise from a shooting range? Yeah get over it. Complaining about bullets hitting your house? Yes, quite a valid complaint. It is preposterous for anyone to argue "too bad" |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:30:01 AM EDT
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Incidentally, this is why ranges institute "slow fire only" regulations. You can bitch all you want about who was there first or what the legal tradition is, but when a stray bullet leaves your range and hits a 3 year-old girl a half-mile away in the head not even the GOA will be able to save you in court.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:42:18 AM EDT
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A couple of local clubs I belong to are currently under siege by neighbors making noise complaints. The problem is, the ranges have been there for decades longer than the homeowners who are complaining-and they knew about the active ranges being nearby when they bought their property
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The technical term is "coming to the nuisance." And the traditional rule is that if you come to the nuisance (rather than it coming to you), then you have no right to bitch. Of course, when you involve guns and children playing in yards and cute puppy dogs and soccer moms, and nebulous allegations of stray bullets, you can often find a judge willing to ignore hundreds of years of common law. There is a big difference between moving next door to a farm and getting upset that tractors run at 4AM vs. moving near a shooting range and having bullets hit your house. Complaining about the noise from a shooting range? Yeah get over it. Complaining about bullets hitting your house? Yes, quite a valid complaint. It is preposterous for anyone to argue "too bad" But is there any evidence of bullet strikes, or is it people making claims then showing loaded ammuntion like this lady 
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:44:39 AM EDT
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I would like to know who was in the area first on this one as well. This. If the range was there before residential development, the homeowners are SOL. I didn't buy a home near a chicken or swine farms because it smells like shit. Similarly, I wouldn't buy a home next to a public gun range due to noise and this sort of thing. Doesn't matter. Bullets should not leave your property. No shit. Someone owned that property since the day the gun range opened. The range NEVER had a right to drop bullet on to someone elses property. Ya got to keep the bullets on your property. We aren't talking about the sound here. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 8:47:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Guess they are going to have to change their name  I've got $5 that says the Scituate Rod Club gets mistaken for a gay bar with in 10 minutes of changing thier name.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:19:05 AM EDT
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seems to me bullets are flying off-range, range needs to fix that. That's a pretty common, and I suspect often fabricated, of people who move next to a range then find out that guns go BANG! Particularly in a libtard area This isn’t the first time hunting issues have sprung up in the town.
In January 2010, a jogger complained of being startled by a hunter dressed in camouflage who popped out of the bushes.
What round for jogger? Considering he was already startled from the camo, racking the slide would have probably killed him on the spot. Seriously though, everyone here is so quick to jump on the homeowners that are pissed off about bullets hitting their house. It seems reasonable, at least in my eyes, that I should be able to live without having to worry about stray bullets hitting my shit. It doesn't matter who was there first - your bullets are your problem - not someone else's problem on someone else's property. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:19:56 AM EDT
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I would like to know who was in the area first on this one as well. This. If the range was there before residential development, the homeowners are SOL. I didn't buy a home near a chicken or swine farms because it smells like shit. Similarly, I wouldn't buy a home next to a public gun range due to noise and this sort of thing. Doesn't matter. Bullets should not leave your property. Very much agreed, but accidents happen. Which is why I don't live next to a nuclear waste dumping facility. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:24:18 AM EDT
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Which is why I don't live next to a nuclear waste dumping facility. It's this kind of aversion to risk that's destroying America! At this rate, China will have dozens of superpowered mutants by 2025, and America may have as few as one! 
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:28:20 AM EDT
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Which is why I don't live next to a nuclear waste dumping facility. It's this kind of aversion to risk that's destroying America! At this rate, China will have dozens of superpowered mutants by 2025, and America may have as few as one! 
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:29:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuckers.  LOL what would you do if you ilived near a range and a round hit your house? and other people in the neighborhood had the same thing happen? Just like they do to shut down GA airports. Move into cheap homes, complain complain complain, shut down the reason it was cheap my using the force of government, profit. Same locust swarm of liberalsocialists that's coming to a 'cool' spot near you. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:36:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuckers. LOL what would you do if you ilived near a range and a round hit your house? and other people in the neighborhood had the same thing happen? No shit! Make the range safe for neighbors, or don't have one. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:37:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuckers. LOL what would you do if you ilived near a range and a round hit your house? and other people in the neighborhood had the same thing happen? Talk to the range owner and give them the opportunity to fix things before I went all legal-crazy on them? Lawyers/legal system just makes things cost more, that's all. It's possible they did that. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:38:00 AM EDT
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Fuckers. LOL what would you do if you ilived near a range and a round hit your house? and other people in the neighborhood had the same thing happen? Just like they do to shut down GA airports. Move into cheap homes, complain complain complain, shut down the reason it was cheap my using the force of government, profit. Same locust swarm of liberalsocialists that's coming to a 'cool' spot near you. Ain't nothing liberal about it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:38:21 AM EDT
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I love Michigan's range protection laws. Don't like living near a shooting range here? YOU move. PA also. You should have heard the moaning and gnashing of teeth when someone moved next to my R&G club and found out that the world does not revolve around them. Immediately after the club started allowing .50 BMGs. WIN! |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:48:22 AM EDT
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Eh, we're not talking about noise here. I wouldn't want bullets from a nearby shooting range hitting my property either.........
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:19:40 AM EDT
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Gun club needs to sell their land to Waste Management and go elsewhere.
I think the coomunity could really benefit from a nearby landfill. Think of all the diesel fuel that would be saved, not to mention the children getting to learn about how their trash is disposed of. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:46:26 AM EDT
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Iowa has a range protection law as well, but once you start dropping rounds off your property all bets are off. It is a huge issue with clubs and many stick their heads in the sand. The local PD dropped one round off their range (yes one round) and it was closed that day. It took over a year and a ton of money to get it back into operation. If it had been a private club it would never have reopened. "We were here first" doesn't cut it once the round leaves your property.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:48:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Probably not, you just have to SAY it happened and American Pravda rolls into action. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A couple of local clubs I belong to are currently under siege by neighbors making noise complaints. The problem is, the ranges have been there for decades longer than the homeowners who are complaining-and they knew about the active ranges being nearby when they bought their property Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The technical term is "coming to the nuisance." And the traditional rule is that if you come to the nuisance (rather than it coming to you), then you have no right to bitch. Of course, when you involve guns and children playing in yards and cute puppy dogs and soccer moms, and nebulous allegations of stray bullets, you can often find a judge willing to ignore hundreds of years of common law. There is a big difference between moving next door to a farm and getting upset that tractors run at 4AM vs. moving near a shooting range and having bullets hit your house. Complaining about the noise from a shooting range? Yeah get over it. Complaining about bullets hitting your house? Yes, quite a valid complaint. It is preposterous for anyone to argue "too bad" But is there any evidence of bullet strikes, or is it people making claims then showing loaded ammuntion like this lady http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2404/83f14af7dccb65060ad5991.jpg |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:55:14 AM EDT
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They tried that in Garland recently due to bullets from that range supposedly going through walls/roofs. That range is about 1 1/4 miles from the homes in question. The rounds in question wouldnt have had the power to go through a roof or wall from that distance (not to mention they would have to be fired OVER the land fill pile which is fairly tall. They ended up making the range put in some safety improvements but the last I heard the police decided the rounds did not actually come from that range. (most likely some jack tard shooting illegally in other nearby areas)
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Posted: 4/26/2012 11:06:27 AM EDT
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They tried that in Garland recently due to bullets from that range supposedly going through walls/roofs. That range is about 1 1/4 miles from the homes in question. The rounds in question wouldnt have had the power to go through a roof or wall from that distance (not to mention they would have to be fired OVER the land fill pile which is fairly tall. They ended up making the range put in some safety improvements but the last I heard the police decided the rounds did not actually come from that range. (most likely some jack tard shooting illegally in other nearby areas) That range had stupidly low berms. I'm not saying the rounds DID come off there but they were really not in good shape re berm height. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 12:27:30 PM EDT
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Gun club needs to sell their land to Waste Management and go elsewhere. I think the coomunity could really benefit from a nearby landfill. Think of all the diesel fuel that would be saved, not to mention the children getting to learn about how their trash is disposed of. I love the smell of Lechate in the morning! |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 12:30:30 PM EDT
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A couple of local clubs I belong to are currently under siege by neighbors making noise complaints. The problem is, the ranges have been there for decades longer than the homeowners who are complaining-and they knew about the active ranges being nearby when they bought their property
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The technical term is "coming to the nuisance." And the traditional rule is that if you come to the nuisance (rather than it coming to you), then you have no right to bitch. Of course, when you involve guns and children playing in yards and cute puppy dogs and soccer moms, and nebulous allegations of stray bullets, you can often find a judge willing to ignore hundreds of years of common law. There is a big difference between moving next door to a farm and getting upset that tractors run at 4AM vs. moving near a shooting range and having bullets hit your house. Complaining about the noise from a shooting range? Yeah get over it. Complaining about bullets hitting your house? Yes, quite a valid complaint. It is preposterous for anyone to argue "too bad" It's equally preposterous to blame the range for a bullet you found buried in a roofing member, when you have no evidence of when or how it got there. I'm talking about the obvious noise issue, not the often trumped up "stray bullet" allegations. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 12:32:49 PM EDT
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MA...is anyone surprised? Oh, MA, no not surprised. Eastern MA is waaaaaaay different than Western MA. Same retarded stuff comes out of every state. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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