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They just copied the technical from Spacehunter http://www.devildead.com/sf/spacehunter07.jpg View Quote Saw that in the theater. |
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I was under the impression they were going to continue to use HMMVs where armor was not required. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everybody is going to hate it and it will be scrapped after reaching full production because it can't take 600lbs NEW to the underbelly. or when they realize that not every 4 wheeled doohickey we have has to have armor. I was under the impression they were going to continue to use HMMVs where armor was not required. They will screw that up and have hmmvs doing shit light armor should be being and light armor handing out humanitarian rations and teddy bears |
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Quoted: One of these days I'm going to build one of those. On tracks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: http://olive-drab.com/images/id_m274_full.jpg put these mofos back in service! can anybody direct me to the warehouse they are stored at? One of these days I'm going to build one of those. On tracks. |
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how does maneuverability help protect against an IED or direct fire? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maneuverability > armor how does maneuverability help protect against an IED or direct fire? I ain't an expert but driving where there is not an IED seems to be a good plan. |
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Did I do the math right? Nearly half a million dollars each? View Quote Like I said in the other thread, the $30b figure is a "could be worth" number, not a final number. The initial low production volume is $6.7b for 16,901 vehicles, or $396,426 each. This is a higher price for the initial production run that wasn't to exceed $450,000 each. The remaining 50,000 odd vehicles would be expected to be priced at $250,000 each. The "could be" is additional packages to the base vehicles, armor, comms, etc. |
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I ain't an expert but driving where there is not an IED seems to be a good plan. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maneuverability > armor how does maneuverability help protect against an IED or direct fire? I ain't an expert but driving where there is not an IED seems to be a good plan. You have IED vision? The locals have been known to place IEDs in the middle of the desert. Not on a road, choke point, crossing, etc. Just randomly in the middle of nowhere. Maneuverability > armor is a mission dependent statement. Also, how do you prevent VBIEDs from running into you and detonating? Because that happened to our convoy once. |
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Maneuverability > armor how does maneuverability help protect against an IED or direct fire? By driving around the IEDs. By being able to drive off route. By actually being able to get up some rough terrain to provide overwatch. |
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Do you think they should have? Are you an expert on their bid? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm just impressed that Lockmart didnt win the contract. Do you think they should have? Are you an expert on their bid? No and no. It was a knock on the ridiculous amounts of money we already have invested in other Lockheed projects right now. At least there were more than 2 companies competing in this one. |
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Any word yet on the Ultra Light Combat Vehicle (UCLV)?
basically the jeep of the 21st century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Light_Combat_Vehicle |
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Ugh. I was hoping for AM General to win.
I've seen plenty of M-ATV's get stuck in Afghanistan and other MRAPs survive IED blasts. Hopefully this will be be a decent vehicle. |
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That would be one bad ass cyotote hunt'in mother fucker right there son.
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It lets you go places that might not be mined or targeted.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maneuverability > armor how does maneuverability help protect against an IED or direct fire? It lets you go places that might not be mined or targeted.. Urban vs Rural. Urban, you will drive down the road. Wars are where people are and people live in cities. Whatever vehicle better be able to survivie the urban battlefield or it will fail hard. |
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You have IED vision? The locals have been known to place IEDs in the middle of the desert. Not on a road, choke point, crossing, etc. Just randomly in the middle of nowhere. View Quote And if you hit that it was essentially your time to go. The odds are really against them at that point. |
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And if you hit that it was essentially your time to go. The odds are really against them at that point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You have IED vision? The locals have been known to place IEDs in the middle of the desert. Not on a road, choke point, crossing, etc. Just randomly in the middle of nowhere. And if you hit that it was essentially your time to go. The odds are really against them at that point. Reduce your odds of winning the lottery, be able to maneuver on more real estate plus I haven't seen too many off-road vbieds |
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Somebody tell me how the hell we won WWII with "only" the jeep, instead of Brodozers?
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Reduce your odds of winning the lottery, be able to maneuver on more real estate plus I haven't seen too many off-road vbieds View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You have IED vision? The locals have been known to place IEDs in the middle of the desert. Not on a road, choke point, crossing, etc. Just randomly in the middle of nowhere. And if you hit that it was essentially your time to go. The odds are really against them at that point. Reduce your odds of winning the lottery, be able to maneuver on more real estate plus I haven't seen too many off-road vbieds We saw a couple random ieds in fields, but they were targeting dismounts, and even the ANP's Rangers would have survived them. I agree that the best way to defeat IEDs is to get off the roads. |
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I agree that the best way to defeat IEDs is to get off the roads. View Quote Thats not necessarily the best way. It's a tactic. Some elements, such as logpacks and CLPs have no choice. Fluid intelligence and up to date TTP's being actively employed is better, and actually destroying the network responsible for them is the best way. Having the flexibility to change tactics via more maneuverable vehicles is a facet of those up-to-date TTPs. |
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Very, very small numbers with SOF only, and its a huge PITA to get authorization to use them outside the wire. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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or when they realize that not every 4 wheeled doohickey we have has to have armor. Very, very small numbers with SOF only, and its a huge PITA to get authorization to use them outside the wire. We used a Polaris 6X6 all the time outside the wire. We even had a swing mount for the 240 and the passenger and a post mount in the back for the M2. We were just a AG team though and as far as I know we never asked for permission. It was used as a gun platform/mule for foot patrols on meet and greets so that may be the difference. |
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Thats not necessarily the best way. It's a tactic. Some elements, such as logpacks and CLPs have no choice. Fluid intelligence and up to date TTP's being actively employed is better, and actually destroying the network responsible for them is the best way. Having the flexibility to change tactics via more maneuverable vehicles is a facet of those up-to-date TTPs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I agree that the best way to defeat IEDs is to get off the roads. Thats not necessarily the best way. It's a tactic. Some elements, such as logpacks and CLPs have no choice. Fluid intelligence and up to date TTP's being actively employed is better, and actually destroying the network responsible for them is the best way. Having the flexibility to change tactics via more maneuverable vehicles is a facet of those up-to-date TTPs. Ugh the part in red is very true, I was a busy mofo during fighting season helping other units by collecting sensitive items from vehicles and sending them to JBAD for repair. |
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Maybe we'll put one up against a tank company. If it gets killed, we'll only use them at night. Sound good? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everybody is going to hate it and it will be scrapped after reaching full production because it can't take 600lbs NEW to the underbelly. Yep. 30 Billion dollars and the first time somebody dies in one it'll be headed for the boneyard. Maybe we'll put one up against a tank company. If it gets killed, we'll only use them at night. Sound good? So, like AC103's? |
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I'm just impressed that Lockmart didnt win the contract. Do you think they should have? Are you an expert on their bid? Easy there sparky. It's just Lockmart like to grease a lot of pockets is all. |
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http://olive-drab.com/images/id_m274_full.jpg put these mofos back in service! can anybody direct me to the warehouse they are stored at? View Quote mule more mules |
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This is great news.
The only question I have is when are they planning on making a civilian version like they did to the H1's. That would be boss. I'd take one. |
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Somebody tell me how the hell we won WWII with "only" the jeep, instead of Brodozers? View Quote uhhh, two totally different wars fought totally in different ways in two totally different times. We fought the civil war without aircraft and B52's, so why do we need them now? We fought prior wars only on horses, so why do we need jeeps? |
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I was under the impression they were going to continue to use HMMVs where armor was not required. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everybody is going to hate it and it will be scrapped after reaching full production because it can't take 600lbs NEW to the underbelly. or when they realize that not every 4 wheeled doohickey we have has to have armor. I was under the impression they were going to continue to use HMMVs where armor was not required. That is the plan according to PEO LTV |
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Still just replaces a small requirement. Think MP companies, D Co vehicles, mounted reconnaissance troop vehicles, etc. I bet the lighter units try to retain their older and lighter vehicles long after these are fielded. While it is likely a good upgrade to something that needs upgrading, it is hardly an overall HMMWV replacement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everybody is going to hate it and it will be scrapped after reaching full production because it can't take 600lbs NEW to the underbelly. or when they realize that not every 4 wheeled doohickey we have has to have armor. The L-ATV is fully compliant with the US Army's Long Term Armor Strategy (LTAS). LTAS is based around the A-kit/B-kit modular armour principle. The A-kit, which is installed during build, is primarily fixings for add-on armour but can include small amounts of armour fitted in difficult-to-reach areas. The B-kit is essentially the add-on armour, this added when required and as a modular add-on. According to the US Army, the A-kit/B-kit concept allows the Army flexibility in several areas: the armor B-kit can be taken off when not needed -- reducing unnecessary wear and tear on the vehicles; the Army can continue to pursue upgrades in armor protection -- adapting B-kits to match the threat; and the versatility of the B-kit enables the transfer of armor from unit to unit -- makes armor requirements affordable by pooling assets versus buying armor that is only for one vehicle.[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV#cite_note-9 Still just replaces a small requirement. Think MP companies, D Co vehicles, mounted reconnaissance troop vehicles, etc. I bet the lighter units try to retain their older and lighter vehicles long after these are fielded. While it is likely a good upgrade to something that needs upgrading, it is hardly an overall HMMWV replacement. MP regiment has a hard on for these things. MP Regimental CSM was all about them, damn near all he talked about when he came to visit us. |
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Did I do the math right? Nearly half a million dollars each? Nope. They are around $300k a copy People always forget that prices usually include spares, maintenance and operator training etc... |
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Any word yet on the Ultra Light Combat Vehicle (UCLV)? basically the jeep of the 21st century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Light_Combat_Vehicle View Quote Probably will be the next wheeled vehicle program, but no money assigned to it yet. |
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