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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:39:42 PM EDT
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It is if it runs out into traffic on the Interstate. Ever seen what happens when a dog stops in the middle of a lane? I have, and almost a dozen cars hit each other. No one was killed, but it could have easily happened. And, are the cops just supposed to let animals attack them? Maybe they should have killed it before it attacked the officer.z |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Jaw pressure on an 11 pound dog. Good one. My parents' 10 lb Shih tzu mix bit me practically every freakin' day and hardly ever broke the skin. Give me a break. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:45:40 PM EDT
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"The dog was a threat" my ass! What a bunch of horseshit!
My dad has a Shi Tzu named Princess. Whenever they leave the house Princess has to go in her cage, but she never goes willingly. She's fast, she bites and she is resistant, but it only takes my 11 year old brother about 45 seconds to catch her and lock her up. Fuckin' stupid ass cop just didn't want to be bothered and was pissed about getting his finger bit. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:47:35 PM EDT
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 Thems are us!!! Seriously, just reading the situation as laid out in the article, I can see where the police were justified. Just like when I watched the lil' ol' lady in NO get taken down I knew the cops were wrong. But I refuse to lump one group of LEO with another just because they all wear guns to work. You do realize cops are born, not hatched right? |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:48:10 PM EDT
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Bulllllll-shit! Why aren't the cops patrolling the freeways shoot Racoons, Possums, Deer and other animals? They are all MUCH bigger than a damn Shi Tzu and I see their dead carcasses on the freeway all the time. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:57:43 PM EDT
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Right, but you can't deny the us vs. them syndrome exists. And the lies that go hand-in-hand with it:“This was a little dog but they have a lot of jaw pressure” Last year some local cops shot a man who was threatening them with a "deadly weapon" as he was fleeing from them. The "weapon"? The prong thing on the handcuff that completes the circle. According to bystanders, the verteran cop called out for the rookie to "cap him!" It was declared a "good shoot" 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:02:48 PM EDT
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" man card " thats funny.
 I say fuck the dog... leash law anyone? |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:19:18 PM EDT
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As I said, the dog does present a hazard on the freeway. Shoot em all if you can't quickly corral them. Most drivers will swerve or slam on the brakes as a reflex action. A friend of minerolled his Jeep trying to avoid a cat that had jumped, or was thrown, from the vehicle in fornt of him. He acted instinctively to something not anticipated.
Drivers should have to take a mandatory drivers course in this country. It ought to cost about $2,500 and train you how to properly drive a car. I log about 35,000 milesa year on the road and the number of dumb ass drivers out there is astounding. I would bet that not one in 10 members of this board even know how to properly drive on a freeway and what to be aware of as they drive it. I feel safer on the Autobahn on Germany where I can drive 150mph than on I90 where the speed limit is 65. At least in Germany, slow cars are in the proper lanes, drivers are better trained and they know the rules of the road and follow them. I have seen a car stay in the passing lane for over 175 miles. Everybody was forced to pass on ther ight in order to get around. She would speed up band slow downandgenerally succeed in pissing off every driver that encountered. As usual you can count on these types of drivers to be either from Vermont or Mass. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:20:14 PM EDT
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True, it does exist in a lot of cases. I go off my experiences with LE's who I know or deal with. The syndrome you speak of seems to be most active in young to mid-career officers, who have had their faith in humanity shaken by what they deal with regularly. The old-timers have seen it all, and tend to take things a lot slower. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:22:01 PM EDT
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Jesus, a shitzu BIT OFF THE TOP OF SOMEONE"S INDEX FINGER?? THAT IS ONE STRONG BITE!!!
- rem |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:31:15 PM EDT
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I'm usually one of the first to cry "foul!" when it comes to cops stompin' the dogs, but this time I'm not.
If what appears to be a stray with no collar bites me then it's getting tested for rabies. It is my understanding the dog must be dead for that test. Either way the poor little biter will be kept from leaving. Bad situation all around. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:51:44 PM EDT
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Is the little old lady responsible for the costs of all accidents her dog caused? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:43:59 AM EDT
[#13]
 What accidents would you be referring to? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:02:34 AM EDT
[#14]
Maybe the potential of damage from the pass through from the idiot shooting the dog |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:06:48 AM EDT
[#15]
A dog biscuit could have saved alot of paperwork
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:30:11 AM EDT
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If the old bitch knew how to drive she wouldn't have gotten into a wreck, and the dog would still be with us. Probably one of those old bluehairs that takes her goofy lapdog with her everywhere she goes! Damn those type of people annoy me as much as the soccer moms that breastfeed in restaurants.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:33:33 AM EDT
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I have been bitten by Shi-Tzus myself. How do I put this? Uuuh, well, uuuuh, . . . . not a major threat to life and limb. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:37:23 AM EDT
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I have been bitten by that breed. I can assure you it never left a scar. Anyone who is scared of these dogs will be found standing on the kitchen table when a spider walks by. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:38:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Read the article, anyone? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:52:02 AM EDT
[#20]
It puts the lotion on.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:02:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Wonder if the cops stayed around to shoot all the rabbits and other varmits they may have strayed onto the freeway to cause more accidents since they seem to have been so concerned with this ???
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:04:19 AM EDT
[#22]
Really a JBT shot the little doggie?
Shih Tzu-- not. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:12:40 AM EDT
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Did you even BOTHER to FUCKING READ the article? ACCIDENT. Owner to hospital. Dog slipped out of leash. Oh sorry, I'll get a warning from a mod, so I better say good shooting the next time you go to qualify at the local dog pound/SPCA/Humane Society/Animal Shelter/dog boarding kennel. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:17:55 AM EDT
[#24]
Pussies.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:20:12 AM EDT
[#25]
Personally, I have never seen a Shi-Tzu that I would be afraid of capturing with my bare hands, if necessary.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:24:30 AM EDT
[#26]
We use blue UN helmet targets- they use Cocker Spaniel targets. Different strokes............ 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:25:24 AM EDT
[#27]
BAN SHIH TZU's!!!!! It is for the children.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:52:10 AM EDT
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Let's be serious now, dogs running in traffic (no matter how big or small) are extremely dangerous. Every time I've seen a live animal on the street, some moron swerves, slams on his brakes, gets rear-ended, or worse.
Other varmints that are often seen as road kill (rabbits, racoons, armadillos, etc) generally don't cause accidents. Why? They are out at night, drivers don't see and attempt to avoid them, they just run them over. No accident. Large animals are dangerous to hit. Deer have killed a lot of drivers. That's life. However, the argument that "you don't see police out shooting racoons or deer on the highway" is not logical. Think about it, how often do you see a live wild animal on the road? Almost never. They get hit and killed at night, or run away into the woods. They don't wait around for the cops to show up and shoot them. A dog, however, who is comfortable around people, might wander around the road, causing accidents. If an officer did find a deer in traffic (sick, injured, confused), I'd expect them to shoot it if they could not easily scare it away. Oh, one more thing. I'm sick of all you people with pets that think they are the same as children. Only a non-parent would make that analogy. "Oh, I know how hard it is with a sick child at home, I have a dog with diabetes." or "My dogs are my children!" Yea, right, what ever you want to think. Don't get me wrong, I love my dogs, but that love is insignificant compared to my love for my family. I feel bad for Precious and Ms. Kiff. But hey, that's life. Deal with it. Sorry for the rant. hinking.gif |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:57:25 AM EDT
[#29]
What a bunch of pussies.
A Shih-Tzu?????? 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:11:14 AM EDT
[#30]
I missed that course. And I must have somehow missed seeing all of the dog shaped targets at the range. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:19:53 AM EDT
[#31]
They should have used a trained St Bernard to hunt it down and pick it up in his big mouth
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:47:25 AM EDT
[#32]
Way back when I was an Army Military Policeman at an unnamed installation...
One of the patrols brings in this little white poodle wearing the requisite reg leather collar, no tags. Found dog, running loose. It's not exactly vicious, but is a snarling yappy little dog. We don't have a place to put him until the vet clinic opens at 8. So they take the desk clerk's pistol lanyard and use it as a leash and tie the dog to the back porch of the MP station. There's a video camera on the porch and the dog is in the field of view. About an hour later, a patrol goes in the station and asks why is there a dead dog tied to the porch. Seems the poodle fell off the porch about 30 seconds after it was tied out there and the lanyard wasn't long enough for the dogs feet to touch the ground. A review of the video tape showed the dog on camera struggling and choking to death over about 10 minutes. If anybody in the station had bothered to look at the monitor on the desk they would have seen what was happening. The dog's owner, who happened to be married to an 0-9 (Lieutenant General, 3 stars), was not in the least pleased. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:27:01 PM EDT
[#33]
How many fingertips do you need to lose before you get your man card back? Give me a fucking break. Good shoot. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:40:33 PM EDT
[#34]
They should have tasered it into compliance, good enough for questioning innocent citizens, good enough for a dog.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:42:40 PM EDT
[#35]
I take it you cower from 11 pound dogs? I'll bet you he did not lose a fingertip. Got it nipped, maybe, but he was not disfigured by an 11 pound dog. The public safety issue of a dog wondering around on a icy freeway should be enough. This is just a pathetic attempt by a cop under some pressure to make up an officer safety excuse. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:47:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:48:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Preemptively shooting the deer and even many of the other animals would be against state law in many states. plenty of the same animals get shot after the fact to put them out of their pain, but thats a specific animal. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:50:59 PM EDT
[#38]
For the love of God all you pussies crying about a rat-dog need to get real. If it bit you I bet you would not be so sad about its death. And what if it was your family doing 70mph down the interstate and that dog ran out and caused a wreck and your family got killed? if that hppened all you bitches would be the first ones to yelp about how the police "should have done something to stop that evil little dog" That cop should get an award for good shooting and for very likley saving human lives. Besides IT BIT HIM who cares how much damage it did when a dog bites a person it is game over for the dog end of story. If your dog bites me it dies and if my dog bites me it dies thats the way it is here in real life.
And fer cryin' out loud if you actually give a shit about little yap dogs like this one you get your man card revoked. period. Sheesh |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 12:52:24 PM EDT
[#39]
No, and neither did the cop. You're saying he's lying about his finger being bitten off? I suppose you were there and can verify that? Good shoot, don't like that opinion? Tough. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 1:14:31 PM EDT
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Even if he got his finger bitten off, that wasn't a reason to shoot the dog. I already said, if you bothered to read, that I agreed it may have been necessary. Of course, they may have been able to call animal control. How many animal control guys do you see packing? Unless they're well funded they don't have much more than a net, and there ain't too many animal control departments that are high up on a city's funding priority list. By even bringing it up it makes the cop look like he got bit, got pissed, and shot the dog because of it. If they would have stressed the public safety aspect, there would be less backlash. But considering they weren't smart enough to capture an 11 pound dog that doesn't really surprise me. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 2:04:21 PM EDT
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Sounds like my kids when they lose an argument. "Don't like it, tough"  Here's the KILLER BEAST in question for reference again. 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 2:24:18 PM EDT
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Doesn't anyone wear gloves anymore?
I ain't ever seen a Cop that did not have a pair handy. this whole thing sucks, but it probably has more to do with dealing with a pretty oddball situation for the first time rather than a jbt being a dick. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 2:51:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Of course he lying about his finger being bitten off. I suspect I know what happen… He went to pick up the dog, the dog nipped him, he got mad and killed the dog, then made that bullshit up to make so sort of justification. A Shih Tzu is a TOY breed… is not called a toy breed for no reason… it did not bite that idiot and do any real harm. Good shoot for a hooligan maybe but not a police officer. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:04:56 PM EDT
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Senior Trooper Kirk Freeman had the tip of his finger bitten off, according to the story.
Trooper Don Frerishs shot the dog. The officer that was bitten DID NOT shoot the dog. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:14:26 PM EDT
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I'm going to have to cross the blue line on this one.
Dealt with lots of yappy little ankle-biters....this is why I carry a large wool blanket in my trunk and wear kevlar lined gloves on patrol. Big, aggressive dog = Big DEAD dog. Anything that's puntable gets the boot a couple of times. If it hasn't gotten the clue by then, toss the blanket over it and pig-pile the little shit machine. Then again...you guys have to realize....not all of us coppers are mental geniuses. Case in point: I go to do a building search for an armed robbery suspect, who supposedly made entry into an abandoned bldg via a busted window. Guy I am going in with grabs a hold of the windowsill with all the BUSTED GLASS shards using his bare hand, slices himself to shit. I look at him and say "gloves, brother...gloves." He looks back at me, holding his freely bleeding hand and says "They make my hands sweat." Also, I think there is some sort of IQ requirement for troopers. Must be < 80...or something like that. Sheep |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:15:49 PM EDT
[#46]
That thing arouses my primordial KILL IT NOW instinct. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:16:31 PM EDT
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So cop 2 got mad and shot the dog... The 2 choices are mad or scared of a toy breed. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:17:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Id have turned it into a pupu platter served with beer.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:19:53 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 4:28:22 PM EDT
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I have dealt with pissed off STs. Without gloves, it goes "Ouch" "Ouch" -- dog under control. With gloves it goes "Oh, STFU dog." dog under control. The only real justification I can see is if they couldn't catch him with something like the blanket method mentioned above. This particular breed was bred by the Chinese specifically to look nice and fluffy but be absolutely useless. Intelligence-wise, they are very close to a carrot. It shouldn't be hard to 1) walk up and grab it and let the little shit do its worst while you put it in the crate or 2) get a team with a blanket and surround it. But then again, maybe it was just running around too fast to even allow that. If one wants to evade you it can be like trying to catch a rat. |
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