Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This article doesn't say jack about what's being exported.  Even the US/Brits and everyone else are exporting military equipment to China. Don't know about the USA, but Britain does not export military equipment to China. The issue is that they were barred from the F-35 deal over this sort of stuff… They agreed to stop, now they are selling again. If anyone thinks that the stuff that Israel sells to China is 'lightweight' look up just what a Harpy drone can do… to say a ship… ANdy Bullshit, you damn brit!ACTUALLY I'M IRISH) news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=323812005 UK trebles military exports to China BRIAN BRADY WESTMINSTER EDITOR ([email protected]) THE value of UK arms exports to China has more than trebled to more than £100m in the past three years alone, it emerged last night. Officials in Washington last night confirmed that they would raise concerns about the ongoing trade with China during high-level negotiations designed to prevent the removal of the 16-year EU embargo over the coming weeks. Although the government’s interpretation of an EU-wide embargo prevents the sale to China of "lethal weapons", military vehicles and aircraft, and "any equipment which is likely to be used for internal repression", it allows for the export of a range of components and technologies. Since 1997, ministers have rubber-stamped hundreds of applications for licences, enabling British firms to export to China military equipment, including components for electronic warfare weaponry, lasers, radars, military helicopters, nuclear reactors and unmanned air vehicles.

Ah… 'components'… you know what… you can go into 'Radio Shack' and buy over the counter electronic components that are  'Military' technology…


Ah! The famous’ £30 Mil exports of ‘Military’ equipment to China. Actually that was nearly all accounted for by the sale of Customs Surveillance Equipment to the Chinese Coastguard to control piracy and smuggling in the South China Sea. Britain still owned Hong Kong from 1989 when the Arms Embargo was instigated til 1997… not really surprising that Britain sold gear to use in and around Hong Kong.

Britain sold China some turboprop Jeststream aircraft and COTS Searchwater radars along with NVG’s and other surveillance gear. All the equipment was ‘commercial’ and could have been openly bought by anyone. who wanted to walk into an aiviation supply store.


UK prohibits the export of the following equipment to China:

“lethal weapons such as machine guns, large calibre weapons, bombs, torpedoes, rockets, and missiles; specially designed components of the above, and ammunition; military aircraft and helicopters, vessels of war, armoured fighting vehicles and other such weapons platforms; any equipment which is liable to lead to internal repression.”


So, the ‘evil’ British sold commercial surveillance and avionics equipment to China but no offensive of defensive combat systems or technology…

Now compare that with Israels exports to China…



Israel's role in China's new warplane
By David Isenberg

The recent unveiling (sort of) of China's first domestically designed (sort of) fighter jet was the culmination of a long saga of international military-hardware wheeling and dealing that has seen US-designed or -funded high-tech weaponry fall into the hands of potential military rivals.

The showpiece of many years' work, dating back to the late 1980s, recently happened - albeit unobserved - when China confirmed the existence of, but did not unveil, the Jian-10 fighter jet. It had been reported that the J-10 (F-10 being the export version, using North Atlantic Treaty Organization designation) would be shown in public for the first time during the fourth China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition (Airshow China 2002) held in Zhuhai in southern Guangdong province from November 4-10, but the plane did not appear.

The J-10 is a multi-role single-engine and single-seat tactical fighter, with a combat radius of 1,000 kilometers. Although billed as a domestically produced fighter, in truth the J-10 could not have happened without the help of other countries, especially Israel.

The program began in the late 1980s and is thought to be based on an Israeli design. It contains Israeli and Russian avionics, and is powered by Russian engines.

Chinese engineers developed the J-10 from a single F-16 provided by Pakistan, and with assistance from Israeli engineers associated with Israel's US-financed Lavi fighter program, which was canceled in 1987, according to the Federation of American Scientists website. The Lavi was based on the US F-16 and built with US$1.3 billion in aid from Washington.

In 1983, when US support for the Lavi commenced, the program was opposed vigorously by the Defense Department, partly because of re-export concerns. An early supporter of the Lavi was George Shultz, then secretary of state in the administration of US president Ronald Reagan. Shultz would later label his advocacy of the program a "costly mistake".

Only in early 1995 did the US government make public its concerns about Israel's Lavi-related technology re-exports to China. David Lari, director general of Israel's Ministry of Defense, acknowledged in an Associated Press interview that "some technology on aircraft" had been sold to China and that some Israeli companies may not have "clean hands".

Yet China's acquisition of the Russian Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, is seen by some experts as a sign that China lacks confidence in its domestic industrial capabilities.

Though it has never been certain precisely what specific technologies and systems Israel provided, it was reported that the Jian-10's radar and fire-control system is the Israeli-made ELM-2021 system, which can simultaneously track six air targets and lock on to the four most threatening targets for destruction.

In December 1991, US intelligence officials announced that Israel planned to open a government-coordinated and -sponsored "arms office" in China. Given what the Israelis had to offer, and what the Chinese needed, it was most likely that a transfer of avionics and other technologies developed in the Lavi program would ensue, since there was a void in the Chinese avionics and fire-control system capability due to the 1989 termination of a US-Chinese program in response to Tiananmen Square.

China and Israel started collaboration in the early 1980s and full-scale cooperation was under way officially by 1984. As neither China nor Israel was capable of developing the propulsion system required by the J-10, in 1991 China acquired the AI31F turbofan engine from Russia for incorporation into the J-10 fighter. This engine is also used in the Su-27 air-superiority fighter that Chinese acquired from Russia. As the performance of the AL31F engine is significantly better than that of the American PW1120 originally slated for the Lavi, it may be anticipated that the performance of the J-10 will be accordingly enhanced. Built by the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corp, the J-10 attempts to rival current fourth-generation Western fighters. China has inked a 10-year deal with the Russian engine maker SRPC Salut for 300 Al-31F engines for its J-10 program and will begin production of the jets next year.

The plane is said to have capabilities similar to the Su-27, the Russian MiG-29 and the US F-16 fighter jets, but with an estimated cost of less than $10 million, it could rival other jet makers on the international market.

In March 1997, despite official denials from Israeli officials, the US Office of Naval Intelligence in its unclassified "Worldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfare" restated more strongly than it had the previous year its belief that US-derived technology from the canceled Israeli Lavi fighter was being used on China's new F-10 fighter. It said, "The design has been undertaken with substantial direct external assistance, primarily from Israel and Russia, with indirect assistance through access to US technologies." In fact, according to the annual intelligence report, "the F-10 is a single-seat, light multi-role fighter based heavily on the canceled Israeli Lavi program".

Until it was canceled in 1987, much of Lavi technological development was paid for by the United States. Ironically, the potential capability of F-10 fighters was cited by both the US Navy and Air Force as one of the future threats justifying the expenditure of billions on new tactical aircraft, such as the F-22, F/A-18F, and Joint Strike Fighter. The fact that possibly US-derived technology provided by an ally might be contributing to that potential threat is a delicate subject.

However, this is not the first time accusations of illegal technology have been made. A March 1992 report by State Department inspector general Sherman Funk, "Report of Audit: Department of State Defense Trade Controls", states that alleged Israeli violations of US laws and regulations "cited and supported by reliable intelligence information show a systematic and growing pattern of unauthorized transfers ... dating back to about 1983".

In the summer of 2000, the Washington Times reported that a memo circulating inside the Pentagon's Defense Threat Reduction Agency told analysts they no longer had to gain input from the Defense Intelligence Agency before deciding whether controlled technology should be transferred to Israel. The DIA had compiled evidence that Israel had violated US export regulations by transferring missile, laser and aircraft technology to China.

Subsequently, when Israel tried to sell the Phalcon to India, the US government demanded that Israel limit arms exports. Israel was told that it must inform the US of all weapons transfers to 27 nations regarded as "countries of concern" such as China, India and Yugoslavia.

"Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons-system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology, followed by France and Germany," stated a report this year by the US-China Security Review Commission, a panel established by Congress to examine security and economic relations between the two countries. "Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates" in the Chinese navy's inventory, it said.

The commission cited Israel as a supplier to Beijing of radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators.

Arms exports have not only played a crucial role in offsetting Israel's trade imbalance but have also performed a key role in furthering its diplomatic efforts. The sale of arms and technology has become one of the most effective techniques to furthering Israeli goals overseas. The quiet ties with China and India and the growing alliance with Turkey in the 1980s and the 1990s are good examples of strong links based on such cooperation.

The J-10 is hardly the only result of Israeli-Chinese military cooperation. For example, the Chinese F-8, the same type of plane that collided with the US reconnaissance plane last year, is armed with Israeli Python-3 missiles. The Python, adapted from the US ALM-9L Sidewinder missile, has a high degree of US technology. Ironically for Israel, China apparently sold its version of Python-3, called the PL-8, to Iraq.

And, as was widely publicized, Israel was set to sell China the Phalcon, an airborne early-warning radar system, until it was forced by the United States to cancel the deal. The US Central Intelligence Agency also believed Israel was marketing its STAR cruise missile in China. The STAR incorporates sensitive US technology.

And former US officials report that both Israel and the Dutch company Delft made unauthorized sales of US thermal-imaging tank sights to, among others, China. The sights were installed on China's 69 MOD-2 tanks, some of which were sold to Iraq. The United States acquired physical evidence of this transfer after these tanks were used against US marines in the 1991 Gulf War.

(©2002 Asia Times Online Co, Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact [email protected] for information on our sales and syndication policies.)

http://atimes.com/atimes/China/DL04Ad01.html

Israel-China UAV Deal Provokes Pentagon
(25 December 2004) The Pentagon’s undersecretary of defence for policy Doug Feith accused top Israeli defence ministry official on an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) deal between Israel and the People’s Republic of China (PRC), and claimed that this has caused a confidence crisis between the Pentagon and the Israeli MoD.
 
Israel’s Channel Two television reported on 15 December that Feith had demanded the resignation of retired Maj. Gen. Amos Yaron, the widely respected and longtime director-general of Israel’s MoD. According to the reports, Feith was ‘outraged’ that he was not informed the UAV sale to China few years ago, and demanded the resignation of retired Maj. Gen. Amos Yaron, the widely respected and long-time director-general of Israel’s MoD.
This is also the first time that the existence of such a deal between China and Israel is confirmed. China reportedly acquired some unknown number of the Israeli Aerospace Industry (IAI)’s Harpy Attack UAV in 1994. In summer 2004 some of these UAVs were sent back to Israel to be upgraded for better performance. The Pentagon has already demanded that Israel not to deliver these UAVs to China, even though they are properties of the PRC.
Harpy is the armed UAV developed by IAI in the 1990s. It is a unique weapon system with features of both UAV and cruise missile. Launched from a ground vehicle or surface warship far away from the battle zone, the Harpy UAV can detect, attack and destroy radar emitters in all-weather conditions, day/night over a distance of 500kg. Once an enemy radar is detected and verified, the UAV transitions into a near vertical dive and destroy the target with its high explosive warhead.
As well as in service with the Israeli Defence Force, the Harpy UAV has also been exported to Turkey and India. The Western intelligence first identified Harpy UAVs in service with the PLA in the joint PLA exercise held near the Taiwan Strait in 2004. The Bush administration has pressured Israel to ‘roll back’ on its defence relations with China.
25 December 2004

http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2004/news041225.asp


ISRAELI HI-TECHNOLOGY WEAPONS EXPORTS TO CHINA - When photographs surfaced of Israel's Python-3 heat-seeking missile on the PLA fighter that harassed the US Navy's EP3e reconnaissance plane, it spurred intelligence analysts to recall various instances of Israeli sales of U.S. know-how to Beijing. As a case in point, obviously, Chinese fighters carry Israel's potent Python 3 air-to-air missile, a weapon developed by Israel based on the venerable Sidewinder missile that the United States sold to the Jewish states decades ago.
In another instance of technology transfer, in 1992, in the immediate aftermath of the Persian Gulf war, US Intelligence allegedly reported that Israel had transferred Patriot anti-missile data to China. Tel Aviv vehemently denied the intelligence report, but Richard B. Cheney, the defense secretary at the time, said he had 'good reason" to believe the Patriot diversion did occur. DIA had compiled evidence substantiating the transfer. In spite of this, a 'special' State Department team said it could find no evidence that Israel, a close ally of Washington and beneficiary of $3 billion annually in U.S. economic and military aid, sold Patriot secrets to China. To this day, intelligence analysts in and out of government continue to stress that the transfer occurred.
Advanced technology from the Patriot, a ground-based anti-aircraft and anti-missile interceptor, may have found its way into China's new advanced surface-to-air missile systems. The PLA may also have used the Patriot data to improve its M-9 short-range missiles aimed at Taiwan, which operates Patriot batteries. The information on the Patriot could have been used to devise means for the M-9 to evade or avoid interception by Taiwan Patriot batteries.
Not long after the Patriot brouhaha subsided, Israel again was denying charges that it illegally exported U.S. technology to the communist regime in Beijing. This time, the suspicions revolved around the ill-fated Lavi fighter, based on the US F-16. After Israel ditched the program at Washington's insistence, intelligence reports said Tel Aviv was selling the F-16 avionics technology to China for incorporation into that country's new F-10 ground-attack fighter. The Congressional Cox report confirmed the suspicion in 1999, stating, "Significant transfers of U.S. military technology have also taken place in the mid-1990s through the re-export by Israel of advanced technology transferred to it by the United States, including avionics and missile guidance useful for the PLA's F-10 fighter."
Most recently a heated debate on the Israel-China connection ensued over Israel Aircraft Industries' planned sale of the Phalcon airborne early- warning radar system. The Clinton administration objected and Israel canceled the sale.
The Reagan administration approved limited arms sales to China for a number of years during the Cold War to offset Soviet military buildups. However, successive White Houses never have condoned (at least based on information in the public domain) the illegal transfer to China of high-technology items that were meant for Israel's use only. (Jonkers) (WashTimes, 23 April 2001, p.1 /// R. Scarborough)

http://www.afio.com/sections/wins/2001/2001-18.html


Israel also transferred to China its STAR-1 cruise missile technology that incorporates US stealth technology and is a version of Israel's Delilah-2 missile, which contains US parts and technology.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FK19Ag02.html

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What makes Israel any worse than us?  Look what we handed to China during the Clinton administration. Nothin's for real. Not to mention how many weapon systems we've sold to Israel's enemies The Jordanian AF flies American made F-16's and AH-1 Cobra's, The Iranians mantain F-4, F-14's and F-16's, The Saudi Air Force inventory includes F-15's and E-3A AWAC's. We certainly aren't coming out smelling like roses in the transfer of technlogy department... Bogus analogy… ANdy Tell that to the first Israeli who get killed by that hardware.... It's a bogus analogy… There was no technology transfer on the equipment you list, all of which is reduced capability. The US DOES NOT sell anything to Israels neighbours that the IDF does not overmatch in capability by a huge margin. That is official US policy.  The Saudi F-15's are 'export clunker models' not the full capability versions the IDF gets. Ditto, the US can ground all the 'Monkey Models' it sells to the Arabs by cutting off the spares and removing the contract maintenence personnel. ANdy You're saying all the aircraft we've sold the Arab Muslims in total doesn't outnumber what Israel has?   The question is pertinent, because all of the Arab states want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Numbers mean shit when one guy is flying state of the art and the other guy aint…

Just a 'heads up' for you ryann, look up the results of the IDF's F-15's going up against the Syrians over the Bekkaa Valley in the mid 80's even though they were heavily outnumbered…

IDF over the Bekkaa Valley

ANdy