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there is a reason the founders made this country a republic, not a democracy. You are the perfect example of that. |
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Not to mention "The Liberty" ship. |
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Exactly. Like they say, the first side to bust out the Hitler card can usually be considered to have lost. |
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inappropriate? I asked him if he was a jew.. gimmie a fucking break, i hope he doesnt cry. |
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FYI: The Israelis sold US weapons technology to China, not NK. The USS Liberty wasn't sunk. Israel is neither America's friend nor our enemy. They're another sovereign nation with some interests aligned with ours and some in opposition to ours. Dollars received is no measure of friendship. Egypt is second behind Israel in the amount of US foreign aid they receive, and Egypt can hardly be called a friend of the US. The world is just a more complicated place than is imagined in your philosophy. Sorry dude, back to Xbox360 for you. |
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oooookay |
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...And that is why we will support them. |
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some one needs a cuddle party!
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You also realize we blew shit up and shot people to drive out the Brits couple centurys ago? |
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I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm thinking your immaturity will be your downfall on this board. Just a hunch.... HH |
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Yes and even today they're setting off bombs in the London subways...or is that the fanatical Muslims? |
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We weren't using terrorist tactics - they did. I'm no Israel hater - I just don't understand this unconditional love for a country which has fucked us over a few time. I admire the fact that they put themselves first - but I don't see why we have to bend over for them. |
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Trolliing, going trolling. we give billions of $ worth of all sorts of stuff to nearly everybody. Get over it. Do you have some facts to back you your claim they sold tech to N korea? I heard N Korea and Iran were good buddies. Last i checked, Iran and Israel are not good buddies. I don't see Israel selling something to their enemies ally Remember that war we fought with Great Britain? and now they are are #1 friend (arguably) in the world? |
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I know, ryann, and I acknowledge that. I just think it is something people forget far too readily. |
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These threads are such great bait. I see a few have already outed themselves.
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Oh boy. |
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Typical of your type of posts Spelling and grammatical errors are the same thing as a weak argument. “Sorry, but…” usually precedes an asinine comment. Having the last word is the same thing as being right. . When all else fails, mocking an individual’s profile will provide support for an otherwise shaky viewpoint. Anyone with an opposing viewpoint is a “troll.” Those who would deny the rights of others are usually the same people who incessantly call for their own. “We don’t have enough facts to make a judgment” is an excellent way to end a debate without discussion. This works because no one is omniscient, no one will ever have “enough facts” to suit those unwilling to discuss a given event, and those who do not want a particular discussion to continue are prepared to wait until time immemorial for the facts to somehow become apparent. I'll pass if that is ok with you. Even if it isn't. |
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Didnt the Israelis know about the barracks bombings back in the early 1980s and not tell us because "they didnt want the US depending on them".
Im not exactley sure of that, i read it in a book about Operation Wrath of God, or something like that. people who say Israel kicks alot of terrorist ass have to understand, that by some standards they are playing in a weak league. But they are still a very determined and well supplied people. PJ |
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There is some distinction between "Terrorist acts" and "defending the homeland". |
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Other than some of the technology from the aborted Lavi fighter program what technology has Israel sold to China that the US didn't sign off on at the time?
The Harpy Drones were sold with full approval of the US government. It is the spare parts and some upgrades the US government has complained about over the last couple years. One thing I always find interesting about these threads is I never see the same sort of bullshit whining about Egypt and Pakistan, both countries which also receive billions in aid. Last time I checked it was the Pakistan government that funded the rise of the Taliban. |
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It must be spring break already - apparently the kids are out of school.
The only thing more entertaining than watching the little Nazi 88'ers get booted is watching how they draw out the closet 88er's that have been here for a while. YO JRZY!! Pass some of that popcorn on down, would ya? |
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Now you see where the problem is. I bet you the Iraqi insurgents think that they are "defending the homeland". I think it's the strategies used that set the two apart (mainly suicide bombings used by terrorists). |
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Looks like someone found the thread "What I learned on a message board". |
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Spring break isn't until next week for me. |
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Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? Part 1 www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
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The King David Hotel wasn't a hotel. It was the HQ of the British military command, the British Secretariat and held a branch of British police. |
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Once again, 13th Warrior, I am stunned by your social and literary acumen!! You make me vomit blood. |
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No, I dont see the problem. If the US was invaded by China, Would you call it "terrorist acts" if there were carbombs, ied attacks, and an insurgency? ETA- A suicide bomber is a different animal altogether. As a religion, Islam sort of puts Martyrs up on a pedestal above the others who have died. |
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ok slaughter, what parts of the original argument do you agree with? Do you have proof israel sold tech to the N koreans? Did the USS Liberty get sunk? or was the original argument weak and fallacious?
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LET THEM? If Israel cannot exist on its own as a country, then maybe we should stop protecting the weak. Their GDP is among the highest in the world, let them hire mercenaries if their own people are unwilling to fight for their land. Oh yeah, I strongly doubt that the Arabs would try shit considering Israel's nuclear weapons program. If they did, then its bye bye bad guys. So I say....let Israel be the catalyst! Someone's gotta be the martyr. |
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I wouldn't have a problem with cutting our financial aid to Israel.
I think they are a questionable ally. But I agree, that won't happen anytime soon. |
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And I don’t like them because they buy all kinds of cheap crap from China and that gives China the wealth to purchase weapons to use against the United States… Oh wait, that was Americans. |
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My posts are more like this. |
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I'm sure they would love to but we can't afford for them to whipe out the palis which is what they would have to do without our influence. That would not play well with our other allies in the region. BTW, Israel was not our ally durring the time of the Liberty accident ( I say accident even with your use of the word deliberate because it is quite possible to deliberately shoot something, even though it has been mis Identified ). BTW, where are we buying ammo from? Also, who has served as a real time testbed for our advanced weapons systems while we were at " peace ". Who took scud missile attacks on civillian population centers and did not respond because we asked them not to? Only a true friend takes a hit like that for a friend without responding in kind simply because the friend asked them not to. |
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Israel has also sold air-to-air missiles and jet-fighter technology to China. In the 1990s, the CIA discovered that Israel supplied China with technology from U.S. Patriot anti-missile systems. The Pentagon released a report stating that Israel and Russia were China's "primary foreign sources" of weapons and arms technology over the past decade. www-tech.mit.edu/V112/N13/china.13w.html |
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Isn't acumen a good thing. Do I show you insight into something. |
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Other than? As if that alone wouldn't be reason enough to stop sending any aid? But since you asked: -Phalcon. -Harpy drones. -Python 3 To name a few. The Harpy drones were NOT sold with US approval, as you claim. They were sold before we were made aware of the deal, so how the hell could the State Dept. approve of it?
Pakistan doesn't get any military aid. And what systems have either nation sold to China? I don't know that I'd call Israel an 'enemy', but they most definitely do not act like good allies should act. |
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Beleg is being sarcastic, 13th Warrior. Edit to add: gentlemen do not call women bitches, even if they are. Real classy, dude. Jrzy has the popcorn, I've got spinach dip and pretzels, who's got the bean dip? |
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ok slaughter, what parts of the original argument do you agree with? Do you have proof israel sold tech to the N koreans? Did the USS Liberty get sunk?
or was the original argument weak and fallacious? Number one I never said a thing about N. Korea ? Number two - Americans were killed, WTF is the matter with you, seems all you're concerned about is the ship did not sink ? |
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those were statements from the original post- the thread starter. you seemed to believe them, however false they were. I quoted them in my post, what part of board code do you not recognize? |
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why would I? did the original post say the USS Liberty was sunk, or Not? was it a false statement? If he is throwing out false statements to start his argument, then "Troll" is a very fitting name. |
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