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Link Posted: 2/24/2016 8:35:05 PM EDT
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Live video of Trump's reaction to the Iowa Caucus.  




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With Trump, it will be The Night of the Long Schlongs.



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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.



   


I've got news for you:  By the time Hitler got around to gassing Jews, all of his political detractors were already dead and buried.  



Night of the long knives -- Google it.

 


With Trump, it will be The Night of the Long Schlongs.



Or maybe The Night of the Long Memes.
I like your earlier comment - 'night of broken taco stands'  I lol'd, hard.



 
Link Posted: 2/24/2016 8:36:10 PM EDT
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Which one?

The one before he started running for President where he wanted longer waiting periods and bans, or the one after he started to run for President where he said that 'there is no stronger supporter' of gun rights than he himself?
 
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I read his position on the 2nd amendment.  Did not sound like a facist.

Which one?

The one before he started running for President where he wanted longer waiting periods and bans, or the one after he started to run for President where he said that 'there is no stronger supporter' of gun rights than he himself?
 


This one.  What other candidate is as strong on our rights?



PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.

Link Posted: 2/24/2016 8:36:20 PM EDT
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With Trump, it will be The Night of the Long Schlongs.



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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.



   


I've got news for you:  By the time Hitler got around to gassing Jews, all of his political detractors were already dead and buried.  



Night of the long knives -- Google it.

 


With Trump, it will be The Night of the Long Schlongs.



Or maybe The Night of the Long Memes.


I know you TrumpBots are a little slow on the uptake, but it's going to be glorious when you finally figure it out.  



 
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This one.  What other candidate is as strong on our rights?

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I read his position on the 2nd amendment.  Did not sound like a facist.


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The one before he started running for President where he wanted longer waiting periods and bans, or the one after he started to run for President where he said that 'there is no stronger supporter' of gun rights than he himself?

 




This one.  What other candidate is as strong on our rights?



You're fucking with me, right?



 
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You're fucking with me, right?
 
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I read his position on the 2nd amendment.  Did not sound like a facist.

Which one?

The one before he started running for President where he wanted longer waiting periods and bans, or the one after he started to run for President where he said that 'there is no stronger supporter' of gun rights than he himself?
 


This one.  What other candidate is as strong on our rights?

You're fucking with me, right?
 


I would never do that.  What other candidate is as strong on the 2nd Amendment?  
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Hitler was a vegetarian.

He ate baby spinach.

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The dimorat trolls are getting desperate.

Will Trump be eating babies three meals a day next?




Just like Hitler.


Hitler was a vegetarian.

He ate baby spinach.





Link Posted: 2/24/2016 8:41:02 PM EDT
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This!!
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Some of you continuously post your interpretation and opinions as fact. Just. Like.FUCKING.TRUMP SUPPORTERS

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Fixed that for ya.
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Some of you continuously post your interpretation and opinions as fact. Just. Like.FUCKING.TRUMP SUPPORTERS









Fixed that for ya.
Trump has opinions.  You know who else has opinions?



Hitler.



 
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I don't think he's a fascist, but do think he shares similar traits of our current President.
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White Obama.
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Did you guys know that Trump is literally Hitler?

Hitler was smuggled out of Germany in 1945 to New York via U-Boat. There he was sheltered by a Nazi spy ring. Using fetal stem cells harvested from abducted pregnant Jewish women they regenerated Hitler's youth. In 1953, James D. Watson, a Nobel Prize winning Nazi sympathizer and genetic scientist, used his advanced knowledge of genetics to alter Hitler's DNA into a tall blonde-haired "Aryan" ubermensch. Hitler is reintroduced to society under the false identity of Donald J. Trump, as the supposed son of the head of the New York Nazi Spy Ring.

The proof is in coded messages from Hitler AKA Donald Trump, hidden in plain sight.

For example, Hitler/Trump's campaign slogan of "can't stump the Trump" has the value of "1488" in English Gematria. Test it for yourself: http://landmarkbiblebaptist.net/666-888.html "1488" is a Nazi cord word used to identify other Nazis, as documented by the ADL: http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/1488.html

Further proof: "President Donald Trump" also has the English Gematria value of "1488". The odds of both these things having that numerical value by chance are 1 in 1,491,980,364,421. You cannot argue with math. Hitler/Donald Trump has placed subtle clues about the fact he is Hitler throughout his life and political campaign.

Trump must be stopped before he can establish the Fourth Reich in the United States and place a Nazi colony on the Moon in violation of our treaty with the Gray's, a sacred treaty which is the only thing ensuring the survival of humanity.

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I have a sneaky suspicion a lot of libtards will actually believe that.
Link Posted: 2/24/2016 8:53:29 PM EDT
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You guys are really starting to embarrass yourselves. It is just pathetic to watch at this point.
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That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   


That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.



Yeah, Fascism post-dates German National Socialism by 25 years.  They are cousins, but nevertheless separate ideologies.

However, Fascism is very Italian in character, and because of that has very rarely been replicated sufficiently outside of Italy for a party to be able to be referred to as Fascist.  It is crafted around a uniquely Italian character.  It is also differentiated from the various national socialisms by being focused on state-centric nationalism (aka statism) rather than ethno-centric nationalism.

Trump definitely has traits in his stated ideology (whether or not he actually believes it, which is very much in doubt) that are aligned with Fascism or an Americanized national socialism, his past, which he sometimes denies or claims to have changed from, also includes such traits.  He is speaking a language traditionally spoken by certain branches of Leftism and has a Leftist political history.  The guy is not on the Right, is not our friend, and cannot be trusted to wield public power.
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"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   


That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.
"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism?s=t
 


It's stupid to refer to a standard dictionary to define complex political ideas.  For complex and technical terminology, you need to refer to specialized dictionaries, such as a political dictionary in this context, or even an encyclopedia specializing in the topic.  People make the mistake here all of the time.
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I'd rather look at his history on the subject rather than a paper he hired some 3rd party to write for him to make him appeal to his targeted audience in a political campaign.
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It's stupid to refer to a standard dictionary to define complex political ideas.  For complex and technical terminology, you need to refer to specialized dictionaries, such as a political dictionary in this context, or even an encyclopedia specializing in the topic.  People make the mistake here all of the time.
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I think the mistake is expecting a university lecture on a website for gun enthusiasts.







 
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That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   


That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.


Dictatorships, when done right, are the most effective forms of government.
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Fascism is a merger of corporate and state powers.  We actually have that now.  Is Don proposing more of the same?
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Fascism is a form of socialism, but one in which relativizing of private ownership of the means of production is more common than outright nationalization.  The state is still the centre of all things, including the economy.  It is the original explicitly statist ideology ("everything for the state, everything through the state, nothing against the state").  Trump clearly based on his history has no problem with major state interventions into the economy, especially if they favour his businesses, and likewise regarding private property in general (hence his support for the abuse of eminent domain to seize property for private purposes).  He also opposes free trade agreements.  He's not a free marketer by any classical definition.  There are just so many things about him that are anathema to conservatism it's ridiculous.
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I think the mistake is expecting a university lecture on a website for gun enthusiasts.


 
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It's stupid to refer to a standard dictionary to define complex political ideas.  For complex and technical terminology, you need to refer to specialized dictionaries, such as a political dictionary in this context, or even an encyclopedia specializing in the topic.  People make the mistake here all of the time.
I think the mistake is expecting a university lecture on a website for gun enthusiasts.


 


It's stupid to base an argument off of an incorrect or incomplete definition, regardless of the context.
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Dictatorships, when done right, are the most effective forms of government.
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   


That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.


Dictatorships, when done right, are the most effective forms of government.


No, not really.
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Nah, let 'em go.

Kind of funny.

And, HITLER.



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Trump is beating Cruz just like Hitler beat that one guy!



HITLUR
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It's stupid to refer to a standard dictionary to define complex political ideas.  For complex and technical terminology, you need to refer to specialized dictionaries, such as a political dictionary in this context, or even an encyclopedia specializing in the topic.  People make the mistake here all of the time.
I think the mistake is expecting a university lecture on a website for gun enthusiasts.





 




It's stupid to base an argument off of an incorrect or incomplete definition, regardless of the context.
No, it's stupid to base an argument off of semantics rather than substance.  Trump has not advocated anything resembling Fascism - German, Spanish, or Italian.  I never thought I'd live to see the day when so many so-called conservatives started talking about a Republican candidate in this manner.  I think I stepped onto DU or something.







 
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Most people here don't know the difference between a Nationalist and a Fascist.
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Somebody in DU has screencapped this thread and started a "Ar15.com in total Trump = Hitler meldown... lolz ensue" thread.
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Most here don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Like 80% of America.

Yee Haw.

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No, it's stupid to base an argument off of semantics rather than substance.  Trump has not advocated anything resembling Fascism - German, Spanish, or Italian.  I never thought I'd live to see the day when so many so-called conservatives started talking about a Republican candidate in this manner.  I think I stepped onto DU or something.


 
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It's stupid to refer to a standard dictionary to define complex political ideas.  For complex and technical terminology, you need to refer to specialized dictionaries, such as a political dictionary in this context, or even an encyclopedia specializing in the topic.  People make the mistake here all of the time.
I think the mistake is expecting a university lecture on a website for gun enthusiasts.


 


It's stupid to base an argument off of an incorrect or incomplete definition, regardless of the context.
No, it's stupid to base an argument off of semantics rather than substance.  Trump has not advocated anything resembling Fascism - German, Spanish, or Italian.  I never thought I'd live to see the day when so many so-called conservatives started talking about a Republican candidate in this manner.  I think I stepped onto DU or something.


 


Trump has more in common with the DU crowd than with anything conservative.  He is not on the Right.  I oppose all Leftists, whatever their stripe.  I do not vote for them.  I also oppose the rabble-rousing type, as they tend to lead countries towards their destruction.
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Nationalism is a component of fascism.  It is a Leftist idea, derived from the identitarian tendencies and drive for sameness that characterize all forms of Leftism, which is why it is rarely a component of Rightist parties or ideologies, but is very common in Leftist ones, even those which are formally internationalist.  It is a vile idea.
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Considering those 14 points...

There are many, many fascist sentiments posted on a daily basis in GD.

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Do you even know what the fuck Fascism is OP?
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Nationalism is a component of fascism.  It is a Leftist idea, derived from the identitarian tendencies and drive for sameness that characterize all forms of Leftism, which is why it is rarely a component of Rightist parties or ideologies, but is very common in Leftist ones, even those which are formally internationalist.  It is a vile idea.
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Nationalism is a component of fascism.  It is a Leftist idea, derived from the identitarian tendencies and drive for sameness that characterize all forms of Leftism, which is why it is rarely a component of Rightist parties or ideologies, but is very common in Leftist ones, even those which are formally internationalist.  It is a vile idea.


Oh you steely-eyed conservatives made nationalism your own thing in a huge way.

I am preparing to laugh my ass off when you deny it. No one believe you. LOL.
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Oh you steely-eyed conservatives made nationalism your own thing in a huge way.

I am preparing to laugh my ass off when you deny it. No one believe you. LOL.
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Nationalism is a component of fascism.  It is a Leftist idea, derived from the identitarian tendencies and drive for sameness that characterize all forms of Leftism, which is why it is rarely a component of Rightist parties or ideologies, but is very common in Leftist ones, even those which are formally internationalist.  It is a vile idea.


Oh you steely-eyed conservatives made nationalism your own thing in a huge way.

I am preparing to laugh my ass off when you deny it. No one believe you. LOL.


Explain to me the way nationalism is integrated into a component of traditional conservative political philosophy.
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   


That's because you're thinking of Nazism.  Fascism is more Mussolini, less Hitler.


Dictatorships, when done right, are the most effective forms of government.


Are you actually retarded?
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.



   
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Fascism is not dependent on dissolving a legislature or killing off groups of people.  One could argue that Chinas govt model more closely fits the definition of fascism.  Sanders tends to fit that mold strangely enough considering he is heavily marxist.  Trump however is kind of odd because his history tends to hint at him not believing the shit that comes out of his own mouth.  He does advocate for status quo or left leaning policies quite a bit like ethanol mandates, socialized medicine, and funding of planned parenthood rather regularly.



Trump's 'build a wall' mantra is likely more nuanced very much like the statement that he will make Mexico pay for it.  This is mostly due to the fact that he said Romneys plan which included not removing illegals from the US was mean spirited.  Likely, there is no wall just as he isnt actually going to make Mexico cough up money for it.  Seeing as how is is always wanting to make deals (not unlike John McCain) it is likely he will sign some pretty awful immigration ideas into law because of the polls.



 
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Thought I gave a pretty good definition in the OP.
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Cruz is my number one pick, but.....

Whatever op just stated is retarded. . That was just pathetic and all of this trump hate is really making me want to vote for him in the general if Cruz fails to win the primary.
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Thought I gave a pretty good definition in the OP.
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Do you even know what the fuck Fascism is OP?


Thought I gave a pretty good definition in the OP.

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Thought I gave a pretty good definition in the OP.
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Do you even know what the fuck Fascism is OP?


Thought I gave a pretty good definition in the OP.


Didn't think so.
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you really need to read more.

Fascism is not dependent on dissolving a legislature or killing off groups of people.  One could argue that Chinas govt model more closely fits the definition of fascism.  Sanders tends to fit that mold strangely enough considering he is heavily marxist.  Trump however is kind of odd because his history tends to hint at him not believing the shit that comes out of his own mouth.  He does advocate for status quo or left leaning policies quite a bit like ethanol mandates, socialized medicine, and funding of planned parenthood rather regularly.

Trump's 'build a wall' mantra is likely more nuanced very much like the statement that he will make Mexico pay for it.  This is mostly due to the fact that he said Romneys plan which included not removing illegals from the US was mean spirited.  Likely, there is no wall just as he isnt actually going to make Mexico cough up money for it.  Seeing as how is is always wanting to make deals (not unlike John McCain) it is likely he will sign some pretty awful immigration ideas into law because of the polls.
 
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That's the stupidest definition of "Fascism" I've ever seen.  Wake me when Trump advocates government takeover of the business sector, dissolution of Congress, and death camps.

   
you really need to read more.

Fascism is not dependent on dissolving a legislature or killing off groups of people.  One could argue that Chinas govt model more closely fits the definition of fascism.  Sanders tends to fit that mold strangely enough considering he is heavily marxist.  Trump however is kind of odd because his history tends to hint at him not believing the shit that comes out of his own mouth.  He does advocate for status quo or left leaning policies quite a bit like ethanol mandates, socialized medicine, and funding of planned parenthood rather regularly.

Trump's 'build a wall' mantra is likely more nuanced very much like the statement that he will make Mexico pay for it.  This is mostly due to the fact that he said Romneys plan which included not removing illegals from the US was mean spirited.  Likely, there is no wall just as he isnt actually going to make Mexico cough up money for it.  Seeing as how is is always wanting to make deals (not unlike John McCain) it is likely he will sign some pretty awful immigration ideas into law because of the polls.
 


Most ideologies don't fit the definition of Fascism.  It is one of the more misused political terms in existence.  Something like the Romanian Iron Hand is about as close as you'll get outside of Italian Fascism.  Even ideologies with similar imagery, like the Spanish Falange, had crucial differences that made them separate ideologies (the Falange rejected Fascism's statism, for example, which is a key component of Fascism).  National Socialism, regardless of whether it is German, Czech, Pan-Arab (including Ba'athism), Pan-African, or whatnot is also not Fascist.
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Umberto Eco, an Italian author who grew up in Italy under Mussolini and recently passed away, has defined "Fascism" as containing the following qualities.  Note, this was in 1995, and was in no way written about Trump.  There are 14 of them.  I'll score them for myself as follows: 1 point for each case where Trump strongly exemplifies it, 1/2 point for one where he sort of exhibits it and 0 for one where he doesn't practice it at all, and list why I think so:

1) Traditionalism
Trump mostly appeals to "traditional values".
1/2 point

2) Action is better than thinking
Trump is notorious for off the cuff comments and speeches, but he doesn't specifically make a point to promote it as a virtue.
1/2 point

3)Disagreement Is Treason
Any criticism of Donald Trump is taken very, very badly.
1 point

4)Fear of Difference
Mexicans are rapists.  Nuff said.
1 point

5)Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class
"Make America Great Again"
1 point

6)Obsession with a Plot and the hyping-up of an enemy threat
Blocking of all Muslim visitors to US
1/2 point

7)Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy/ Life is Permanent Warfare
Nothing specific I can think on that one.
0 points

8)Contempt for the Weak
"Low energy types"
1 point

9)Selective Populism
Trump speaks for the "Common People", however I don't see him being interested in what people actually think.  Donald Trump knows better.
1 point

10)Newspeak
He clearly introduced whole new set of words in to political conversation.
1/2 point

11)"Non-truths & Lying/Spread of Propaganda"
Quite a few cases where Trump has attempted to position himself as always being on one side of the issue, while in reality he was on the other side in the past.
1 point
12) "Anti-intellectualism, often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science "
No specific examples I can think of.
0 points

13)"Heroic Individual"
Trump views himself as a hero, clearly, but for Fascism this covers everybody - all are expected to heroically do their part.
0 points

14)"Machismo"
Too many to count.
1 point

By my count I have 9/14 or roughly 2/3rds.  My gut feeling says that's about right - Trump is not Hitler or Mussolini, but he's playing in their ballpark.
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These are really general and could be used to fit a massive variety of leaders throughout history of all types. Many of those listed characteristics also aren't necessarily bad.
Half of those equate to 'don't be a bitch' which is something that Republicans have acted like for two decades or more at least.
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I'm hardly a Trump supporter, but this is stupid.

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Trump has more in common with the DU crowd than with anything conservative.  He is not on the Right.  I oppose all Leftists, whatever their stripe.  I do not vote for them.  I also oppose the rabble-rousing type, as they tend to lead countries towards their destruction.
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I don't care if you disagree with him, but to suggest that he has anything in common with Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco is absurd.

 
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Hitler spoke with passion.

Trump speaks with passion.

Hitler drank water.

Trump drinks water.

Hitler had hair.

Trump has hair.


Trump is LITERALLY Hitler.
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Oh my god!  I hadn't seen this before (runs around like a chicken with its head cut off ).
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I would never do that.  What other candidate is as strong on the 2nd Amendment?  
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I read his position on the 2nd amendment.  Did not sound like a facist.

Which one?

The one before he started running for President where he wanted longer waiting periods and bans, or the one after he started to run for President where he said that 'there is no stronger supporter' of gun rights than he himself?
 


This one.  What other candidate is as strong on our rights?

You're fucking with me, right?
 


I would never do that.  What other candidate is as strong on the 2nd Amendment?  

You are right, this week trump does appear to be the staunchest supporter.

The fact that it goes right over your head and you can't even see it...

This is Obama round two, with an R next to his name. Regardless, the cult of personality and wishful thinking take precedence over logic. I'm sure I'll be attacked with hyperbole and statements not based on anything but emotion, and that's fine, I wouldn't expect much more. I can understand why trump is alluring to a conservative, but there comes a time when a man must step up, admit he's wrong, and move on.

If he's elected, I do hope he is everything he says he is, and that would make him a pretty good president (really, after Obama he only need to not fuck up too much to be considered good). But I don't vote based on hope, or by projecting my own thoughts, desires, and beliefs onto a candidate whose record says otherwise.

I get it, people change. But when did trump change and what was his catalyst?
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I don't care if you disagree with him, but to suggest that he has anything in common with Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco is absurd.  
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Trump has more in common with the DU crowd than with anything conservative.  He is not on the Right.  I oppose all Leftists, whatever their stripe.  I do not vote for them.  I also oppose the rabble-rousing type, as they tend to lead countries towards their destruction.
I don't care if you disagree with him, but to suggest that he has anything in common with Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco is absurd.  


Hitler and Franco weren't Fascists.

But in any case, a number of his tactics, the way he speaks, the sentiments he tries to appeal towards, and even a few of his historical or stated positions have some commonality.  It doesn't make him Fascist, but it doesn't speak well towards him, either.  His history is of being on the Left and he uses the Left's methods to fool Republican voters; what stripe of Leftism he may represent isn't really relevant.  He is not a conservatism and will in the end do more to damage the conservative cause, and he'll to it with their support.  It's such a disgusting but not historically unprecedented display.
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