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Posted: 10/13/2008 6:38:59 PM EDT

[#1]

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What ESPECIALLY bothers me is that a gay man in a hospital cannot be seen by his mate oftentimes because there is no blood line or legal relation. That means a couple that has been together for 35 years cannot be together on their death bed.

If two men make each other DPOA (Durable Power of Attorney) for health care, not only can the 'partner' be by their bedside, they are also responsible for making all medical decisions if their partner cannot do so because of illness or disease.

I have never encountered a situation like you describe. It may have been common 25+ years ago, but not today.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:39:14 PM EDT

[#2]

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Are you for, against or indifferent to equal legal rights for gays in the United States?

Bullshit phrases in a bullshit argument.

He who frames the debate wins. The answer is: they already have the same rights as anyone else. They want special recognitions, not equal rights. Anyone who buys into this 'extra equal' bullshit is an idiot.

This is clearly not the case. As I mentioned earlier - a gay man cannot see his mate in the hospital because they are not legal partners. There is no LEGAL equality. They have human rights just the same. We're talking civil rights.

We're NOT talking civil rights. We're talking about gheys wanting EXTRA rights. Don't try and twist words around, using your leftist talking points, to dilute reality.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:39:41 PM EDT

[#3]

I do not care what two consenting adults do to each other in private. It is none of my business or anybody elses for that matter.

Hell I do not even care if they are allowed to get married. I am secure in my marriage and do not feel it threatened by fanny bandits tying the (balloon) knot.

I do however draw the line at gay adoption and do not feel it should be allowed.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:39:55 PM EDT

[#4]

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As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a disorder that needs to be treated or cured

You've got to be kidding me.

What, you don't you subscribe to the Westboro Baptist Church? (LOL)

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:40:10 PM EDT

[#5]

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To bad God isn't an ARFCOM member. The biggest lie and downfall in American society is that there is no "wrong" and "right," just what "feels good".

Practicing homosexuality is living in sin.

Some people are born gay.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:40:10 PM EDT

[#6]

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How about equal rights for our non-human companions?

In AMERICA animals cannot sign a legally binding contract? Obviously.

Specist.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:40:16 PM EDT

[#7]

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How about equal rights for our non-human companions?

Obviously. The OP seems to think "it's about civil rights", so I should be able to marry my goat.

It's about "Civil Rights", after all. It's not faaaaaaiiirrrr that those evil christians won't let me marry my goat!

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:09 PM EDT

[#8]

What the fuck business of it is mine? It scares me that there are people out there who want the government to enforce their moral values on total strangers. How would you like it if the government told you you couldn't marry the woman you want to?

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:18 PM EDT

[#9]

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How about equal rights for our non-human companions?

In AMERICA animals cannot sign a legally binding contract? Obviously.

Specist.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:31 PM EDT

[#10]

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As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

What is it like in Finland? Are there crazy political debates about legal union? Is it legal?

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:36 PM EDT

[#11]

They already have equal rights, they want "special" rights though.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:38 PM EDT

[#12]

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Quoted:

What ESPECIALLY bothers me is that a gay man in a hospital cannot be seen by his mate oftentimes because there is no blood line or legal relation. That means a couple that has been together for 35 years cannot be together on their death bed.

If two men make each other DPOA (Durable Power of Attorney) for health care, not only can the 'partner' be by their bedside, they are also responsible for making all medical decisions if their partner cannot do so because of illness or disease.

I have never encountered a situation like you describe. It may have been common 25+ years ago, but not today.

Yep. Done every day.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:53 PM EDT

[#13]

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As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a disorder that needs to be treated or cured

You've got to be kidding me.

Nope. DEAD serious.

CJ

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:59 PM EDT

[#14]

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What the fuck business of it is mine? It scares me that there are people out there who want the government to enforce their moral values on total strangers. How would you like it if the government told you you couldn't marry the woman you want to?

And here we have the wisest person of the thread.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:41:59 PM EDT

[#15]

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How about equal rights for our non-human companions?

Obviously. The OP seems to think "it's about civil rights", so I should be able to marry my goat.

It's about "Civil Rights", after all. It's not faaaaaaiiirrrr that those evil christians won't let me marry my goat!

I can't believe it took two pages for the most common strawman argument on this topic.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:42:33 PM EDT

[#16]

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You bring up a really good point - but consider this: This is the final civil rights frontier for the US. They made a big deal about other civil rights movements (women, blacks...). Is this cause less important? What do you guys think?

Being Black is what you are.

Smoking pole is what you do.

Apples vs. Oranges.

Don't confuse the liberals with facts.

BigDozer66

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:42:43 PM EDT

[#17]

I think if they want to get married that's fine. Just as long as I don't have to watch. Gay pride parades, however, are a public nuisance.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:43:24 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Are you for, against or indifferent to equal legal rights for gays in the United States?

Bullshit phrases in a bullshit argument.

He who frames the debate wins. The answer is: they already have the same rights as anyone else. They want special recognitions, not equal rights. Anyone who buys into this 'extra equal' bullshit is an idiot.

This is clearly not the case. As I mentioned earlier - a gay man cannot see his mate in the hospital because they are not legal partners. There is no LEGAL equality. They have human rights just the same. We're talking civil rights.

We're NOT talking civil rights. We're talking about gheys wanting EXTRA rights. Don't try and twist words around, using your leftist talking points, to dilute reality.

No we are talking about the right to a legal union. I'm not talking about hate crimes or whatever you want to say is "extra." For the purpose of this date we are talking about the same right a straight couple has - to be legally partnered and have the same tax breaks straight couples get.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:43:32 PM EDT

[#19]

height=8

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I dont give a shit about gay couples or hetero couples. Gov. should have no say in any of it anyway. Gay people being gay is by a wide margin the least important issue ever debated.

This

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:43:53 PM EDT

[#20]

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As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a disorder that needs to be treated or cured

You've got to be kidding me.

Nope. DEAD serious.

CJ

So what line of treatment are they taking with you?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:43:58 PM EDT

[#21]

i am against homosexuals having any rights, and thats my opinion.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:43:59 PM EDT

[#22]

I think homosexuality is wrong, but ultimately it is their choice. What I hate about it is the flaming homos who feel the need to push their tinkerbellness down your throat. Or the gay channel on the satellite channel. Or going to Disney World with your children and it being celebrate gay day! Or how bout taking the first grade class to watch they gays get married.

MARRIAGE IS A UNION BETWEEN GOD + MAN + WOMAN....Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve!

That is why men and women were given different parts, to make children and to enjoy sex with their spouse. No ifs, ands, or buts about it!

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:44:07 PM EDT

[#23]

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As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

You claim to love freedom, but the gay rights movement is anything but. It's not about equality, or civil rights, or anything like that. It's about special legal protections that are exclusive to their community.

"Hate crimes" ring a bell?

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:44:14 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

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What ESPECIALLY bothers me is that a gay man in a hospital cannot be seen by his mate oftentimes because there is no blood line or legal relation. That means a couple that has been together for 35 years cannot be together on their death bed.

If two men make each other DPOA (Durable Power of Attorney) for health care, not only can the 'partner' be by their bedside, they are also responsible for making all medical decisions if their partner cannot do so because of illness or disease.

I have never encountered a situation like you describe. It may have been common 25+ years ago, but not today.

NH and NY have different laws regarding POA. If the POA was not setup before hand then there is no standing.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:45:32 PM EDT

[#25]

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What the fuck business of it is mine? It scares me that there are people out there who want the government to enforce their moral values on total strangers. How would you like it if the government told you you couldn't marry the woman you want to?

Good point.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:45:43 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

What is it like in Finland? Are there crazy political debates about legal union? Is it legal?

Here marriage is a legal contract. I can get married at the magistrates office if I want to. Gay people can do the same thing, but the marriage is called a "Registered partnership". This is done to make the religious feel more relaxed. Legally, it is the same thing, identical. They just took all the laws about marriage, copied them and replaced "marriage" with "Registered partnership".

Even the religious are far more liberal about gays here. Priests often give their blessing to gays who want to get married in a church.

So no, we don't see it as any kind of a problem. There are no debates. Gays deserve the same rights as everyone else.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:46:15 PM EDT

[#27]

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As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a disorder that needs to be treated or cured

You've got to be kidding me.

Nope. DEAD serious.

CJ

We do not have the technology to do so now. If you'd like start research into such a "cure", you're welcome to do so.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:46:54 PM EDT

[#28]

echobravo316
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and it may be right in your mind,
but its pretty close to bestiality (in grossness)
if you ask me (and yes, you asked)

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:47:55 PM EDT

[#29]

Yay, another gay post from a recent sign up.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:48:03 PM EDT

[#30]

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As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

HAHAHAHAHA! My religious beliefs "cloud" my judgement on everything! DUH!

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:48:59 PM EDT

[#31]

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Yay, another gay post from a recent sign up.

Oh it's okay though. He says he owns an AR.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:49:04 PM EDT

[#32]

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As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

You claim to love freedom, but the gay rights movement is anything but. It's not about equality, or civil rights, or anything like that. It's about special legal protections that are exclusive to their community.

"Hate crimes" ring a bell?

This is nonsense. I've never encountered a gay person demanding special rights. Wanting equal protection under the law is not special. It is equal.

The religious love to say: "They already have the same rights as I do, they can marry women!", which is completely ridiculous. Marriage is a legal union, it should be open to all parties.

What special rights have you seen the gays demand?

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:49:44 PM EDT

[#33]

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NH and NY have different laws regarding POA. If the POA was not setup before hand then there is no standing.

Sounds like they should have got their shit together and set it up then....

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:49:44 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

What is it like in Finland? Are there crazy political debates about legal union? Is it legal?

Here marriage is a legal contract. I can get married at the magistrates office if I want to. Gay people can do the same thing, but the marriage is called a "Registered partnership". This is done to make the religious feel more relaxed. Legally, it is the same thing, identical. They just took all the laws about marriage, copied them and replaced "marriage" with "Registered partnership".

Even the religious are far more liberal about gays here. Priests often give their blessing to gays who want to get married in a church.

So no, we don't see it as any kind of a problem. There are no debates. Gays deserve the same rights as everyone else.

See this is what the whole point of the debate was - to learn something. Very interesting. I am glad that you guys have figured it out.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:50:34 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
I dont give a shit about gay couples or hetero couples. Gov. should have no say in any of it anyway. Gay people being gay is by a wide margin the least important issue ever debated.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:51:17 PM EDT

[#36]

"See, just like we said, you will watch gay porn."

ETA:

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:51:24 PM EDT

[#37]

Liberal Media constantly reporting on Liberal Causes = FAIL

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:53:07 PM EDT

[#38]

This all could have been avoided if Rock Hudson had stayed in the fucking closet.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:53:30 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As a fan of freedom and equality, I support gay rights.

It depresses me to see so many here who allow their religious beliefs cloud their judgement.

What is it like in Finland? Are there crazy political debates about legal union? Is it legal?

Here marriage is a legal contract. I can get married at the magistrates office if I want to. Gay people can do the same thing, but the marriage is called a "Registered partnership". This is done to make the religious feel more relaxed. Legally, it is the same thing, identical. They just took all the laws about marriage, copied them and replaced "marriage" with "Registered partnership".

Even the religious are far more liberal about gays here. Priests often give their blessing to gays who want to get married in a church.

So no, we don't see it as any kind of a problem. There are no debates. Gays deserve the same rights as everyone else.

See this is what the whole point of the debate was - to learn something. Very interesting. I am glad that you guys have figured it out.

I think I should also add to this that priests have the legal right to enter people into legal marriages as well, not just the magistrates. So if religious people just want to get into a church and have a priest marry them, they can do that. The priest has the same access to the same government database of the populous that the magistrates office has, so he just needs to enter the marriage into the info on his computer just like a magistrate would.

So secular people can go about the process in a completely secular way, and religious people can go about the process in a completely religious way. This way everyone can do it in a way that pleases them, and no one needs to feel insulted.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:54:45 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
To bad God isn't an ARFCOM member. The biggest lie and downfall in American society is that there is no "wrong" and "right," just what "feels good".

Practicing homosexuality is living in sin.

That may be, but why should "sin" be illegal?

Using the Lords name in vain is considered a sin also, but nobody would advocate making it illegal.

Posted: 10/13/2008 6:58:19 PM EDT

[#41]

Getting married nowadays is just a legal thing. Why should it matter if they both have a peg or a slot?

I am a Christian and I believe homosexuality is wrong, but I also believe that having anyone other than someone acknowledged by God marrying you is false under the eyes of God. A wedding given to you by Joe, guy guy with the license in the state of New Jersey who isn't religious at all, may provide legal changes, but not religious ones. That's just me talking out of my ass I guess...

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:02:57 PM EDT

[#42]

The problem is, they don't want equal rights, they want to be "special".

"I fuck men's assholes, now throw me a fucking parade so I walk around in assless chaps in front of your kids!"

If walked around the street in assless chaps humping my GF, I'd be arrested immediately. Before I couldn't care less if they got married or not, but honestly, their whole, "in your face" arrogant attitude about it has gotten to the point where I'd vote no on gay marriage

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:03:32 PM EDT

[#43]

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Getting married nowadays is just a legal thing. Why should it matter if they both have a peg or a slot?

I am a Christian and I believe homosexuality is wrong, but I also believe that having anyone other than someone acknowledged by God marrying you is false under the eyes of God. A wedding given to you by Joe, guy guy with the license in the state of New Jersey who isn't religious at all, may provide legal changes, but not religious ones. That's just me talking out of my ass I guess...

I appreciate your contribution. I have a comment - I was raised Roman Catholic - went to Catholic school for like 13 years and in all this time I was NEVER once taught that homosexuality was a sin. I was taught that "acting on hedonistic feelings without the intent of making a baby" was a sin but NEVER homosexuality. I was taught that gay bashing was wrong on many levels. I was never taught that this is how I should be but I was taught respect.

People hear gay and automatically assume gay sex. People don't realize that there are just as many types of gay relationships as there are straight ones.

Not to steer the debate away from the civil aspect, jsut thought I'd throw in my two cents...

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:04:53 PM EDT

[#44]

Listen, i dont think there is anything wrong with dropping anchor in poo bay!
Nutin wrong with being a bummer boy, a crisco cowboy, a snerd nergeler, Ein Arschficker, Un Maricon, a rent boy, flying your flesh rocket to choco land.

Little Britain!
It isn't easy being the only gay in the village.

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:05:40 PM EDT

[#45]

Don't care just don't tell me about it.

It is pretty incredible what they are getting away with, laws protecting them and Chicago is planning on creating a "gay friendly" school...

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:06:56 PM EDT

[#46]

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As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a disorder that needs to be treated or cured

You've got to be kidding me.

Nope. DEAD serious.

CJ

creeeeepy

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:07:43 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
The problem is, they don't want equal rights, they want to be "special".

"I fuck men's assholes, now throw me a fucking parade so I walk around in assless chaps in front of your kids!"

If walked around the street in assless chaps humping my GF, I'd be arrested immediately. Before I couldn't care less if they got married or not, but honestly, their whole, "in your face" arrogant attitude about it has gotten to the point where I'd vote no on gay marriage

The gays want equal rights, not special rights.

If you want to have a parade in celebration of heterosexuality, I would think no one would attempt to stop you.

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:08:26 PM EDT

[#48]

Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:09:21 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
The problem is, they don't want equal rights, they want to be "special".

"I fuck men's assholes, now throw me a fucking parade so I walk around in assless chaps in front of your kids!"

If walked around the street in assless chaps humping my GF, I'd be arrested immediately. Before I couldn't care less if they got married or not, but honestly, their whole, "in your face" arrogant attitude about it has gotten to the point where I'd vote no on gay marriage

mmm yes, so you say gay people annoy you and therefore should not be afforded equal rights

Posted: 10/13/2008 7:10:47 PM EDT

[#50]

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Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.

The biblical story of Adam and Eve is didactic fiction. If you believe that we all came from two common ancestors then we are all related and every relationship is incestuous and thus invalid and sinful ect.

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