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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:38:41 PM EDT
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OP had a close friend OD on pot
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:39:30 PM EDT
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Does it have anything to do with an increased volume of drivers on the roads in those states due to pot tourism? Colorado really has to be upping the average for those other states too. I was in Colorado Springs and Denver last week, most people on the road drove like complete assholes.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:41:30 PM EDT
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Of course it does. It's a fucking intoxicant. Personally, I think the proper balance is achieved by punishing behavior that directly harms or substantially places others at risk of harm. Like drunk driving. In this case, outlaw driving while high (oh wait, it already is). That directly places others at substantial risk of harm. Legalize possession of weed as the sole acts of possessing or smoking weed does not harm anyone or put anyone else at risk. This is why these studies don't move me. For drugs OR guns. You could prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that banning guns would result in fewer people killed... and I would still favor guns being legal to possess. That is because I favor a free society over an orderly one. Valuing order at any cost is an irrational, fear-based response to life's existential terror. You can't put nerf pads on life. Life is chaotic, random, and terrible... except to the extent that YOU can take control of it and make it not be. Surrendering your freedoms to someone in authority won't make you any safer. Anyways. That's why I think weed should be legal. And guns, too. And well, pretty much anything else that doesn't break my leg or pick my pocket. TL/DR same old free the weed libertarian bullshit. Don't bother reading. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:42:32 PM EDT
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I've been assured by multiple ARFcommers that pot is absolutely, perfectly, safe and even makes you a more aware drive. This study is clearly wrong. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:43:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:44:37 PM EDT
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Several, but I don't recall the names, as none were noteworthy members. Just a troll, doing troll things.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:45:45 PM EDT
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The pot heads are fucked now. When IIHS gets involved with anything, laws get changed and YOU CITIZEN will lose freedom. It's what they pay Legislators for you know!
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:47:02 PM EDT
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This makes me happy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Several, but I don't recall the names, as none were noteworthy members. Just a troll, doing troll things. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:53:19 PM EDT
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Several, but I don't recall the names, as none were noteworthy members. Just a troll, doing troll things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite one source of somebody telling you that? <Banned (actually re-banned)--you don't get to reregister to avoid your ban using several accounts. It's especially stupid to draw attention to yourself with continuous personal attacks on the good members, as that prompts staff attention. --tbk1> |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:54:24 PM EDT
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Im not a pot fan..but short of actual test on scene..meh...and I would imagine those who were going to use, were already using before the law changed......my guess..just another way for insurance companies to raise prices and deny coverages....   bad credit even though safe driver never had claim or ticket and credit score went down because you cancelled credit cards You just turned 56 never had a CLAIM or ticket safe driver live in Fla. Insurance companies look for any reasons to raise rates. Not a pot smoker |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:56:23 PM EDT
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A great deal more of that goes on than is known publicly. I only posted so he wouldn't continue to get quoted. Ironically I had a heads-up about him earlier today from a mod, but didn't spend the time to research the guy. If they had enough sense to stay off the radar screen they would likely get away with it, but that goes against their nature, so it's just not possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Several, but I don't recall the names, as none were noteworthy members. Just a troll, doing troll things. when i retread i will lay low. 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:04:46 PM EDT
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Michigan Medical Marijuana was enacted in 2008
Crash Statistics by year are 2007: 324,174 2008: 316,051 2009: 290,078 2010: 282,075 Looks like weed saves lives. Everyone should be forced to smoke weed, just like seatbelt laws. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:31:14 PM EDT
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Michigan Medical Marijuana was enacted in 2008 Crash Statistics by year are 2007: 324,174 2008: 316,051 2009: 290,078 2010: 282,075 Looks like weed saves lives. Everyone should be forced to smoke weed, just like seatbelt laws. 2011 284,049 2012 273,891 2013 289,061 2014 298,699 2015 297,023 2016 312,172 http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/DecadeGlanceFatals_382744_7.pdf edit - with a decreased population from 2008, too. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:59:56 PM EDT
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how about the other years? 2011 284,049 2012 273,891 2013 289,061 2014 298,699 2015 297,023 2016 312,172 http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/DecadeGlanceFatals_382744_7.pdf edit - with a decreased population from 2008, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Michigan Medical Marijuana was enacted in 2008 Crash Statistics by year are 2007: 324,174 2008: 316,051 2009: 290,078 2010: 282,075 Looks like weed saves lives. Everyone should be forced to smoke weed, just like seatbelt laws. 2011 284,049 2012 273,891 2013 289,061 2014 298,699 2015 297,023 2016 312,172 http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/DecadeGlanceFatals_382744_7.pdf edit - with a decreased population from 2008, too. Way less people behind bars, but little change in deaths. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:04:28 PM EDT
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I've been assured by many experts here that a single puff of dope turns you into a helpless lump of jello incapable of driving.
Really, who was surprised the a mind altering drug could lead to a car crash? 
Seriously, I want their names. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote History.... and shut the fuck up Donny.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:09:39 PM EDT
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A recent insurance study links increased car crash claims to legalized recreational marijuana.
The Highway Loss Data Institute, a leading insurance research group, said in study results released Thursday that collision claims in Colorado, Washington, and Oregon went up 2.7 percent in the years since legal recreational marijuana sales began when compared with surrounding states. Legal recreational pot sales in Colorado began in January 2014, followed six months later in Washington, and in October 2015 in Oregon. "We believe that the data is saying that crash risk has increased in these states and those crash risks are associated with the legalization of marijuana," said Matt Moore, senior vice president with the institute, which analyzes insurance data to observe emerging auto-safety trends. ... "but there's no real, definitive evidence or proof" "but don't you love freedom?" "it's as safe/safer than driking" "people should allow people to use or do anything they want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else" "your'e just afraid of the pot needles" etc. "We believe" = Fact, according to the op. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:11:40 PM EDT
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Potheads come out. Potheads come out. Lol! |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:14:29 PM EDT
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It was illegal to drive intoxicated before. It's illegal to drive intoxicated now. Are we saying that banning the *possession* of alcohol is a worthwhile tradeoff to (maybe) eliminate a statistical blip? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:15:48 PM EDT
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What is interesting to note is that evidence of pot use stays in one's system for up to months after it is used. It would be interesting to find out if the levels found after these crashes was high enough to render any kind of real incapacitation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted a thread several weeks back. iirc they said pot is now the number 1 "drug" found in a persons system in fatal car crashes. It would be interesting to find out if the levels found after these crashes was high enough to render any kind of real incapacitation. Eta. Before all y'all WOD warriors call me a pothead I regularly get drug tested so 
I just happen to think logically especially when it comes to personal freedoms. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:22:41 PM EDT
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"Marijuana is one of multiple factors believed to have caused an increase in traffic accidents."
"Insurance Institute for Highway Safety spokesman Russ Rader adds that alcohol impairment remains one of the biggest concerns on the road." Put me down for a big ol' MEH. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:27:28 PM EDT
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What is interesting to note is that evidence of pot use stays in one's system for up to months after it is used. It would be interesting to find out if the levels found after these crashes was high enough to render any kind of real incapacitation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted a thread several weeks back. iirc they said pot is now the number 1 "drug" found in a persons system in fatal car crashes. It would be interesting to find out if the levels found after these crashes was high enough to render any kind of real incapacitation. THC levels do little to tell how impaired someone is. A heavy smoker can smoke a huge joint and be fine, while a new smoker can smoke a little bowl and be gone to the wind. I'm sure someday they will be able to find out how impaired someone is from marijuana. Simply finding it in their system doesn't mean shit at the moment, though, given how long it stays in one's system. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:33:58 PM EDT
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Drug of Peace Thread
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:42:55 PM EDT
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Drug of Peace Thread |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:40:41 PM EDT
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Okay, then you lose. Thanks for playing. 
Here you go, little Troll Do I need to hold your hand and show you the post, too? 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 6:45:27 PM EDT
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It shouldn't be suprising that being impaired on anything and operating a vehicle is stupid. Doesn't matter if it's booze, weed, heroin, pain pills.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 7:33:36 PM EDT
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I posted a thread several weeks back. iirc they said pot is now the number 1 "drug" found in a persons system in fatal car crashes. |
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