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Link Posted: 2/16/2002 3:27:27 PM EDT
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Yes, it does.  It indicates that one cannot refute the substance of the another's argument or, perhaps, his logic.  You'd be better served to fall back on "Well, you're just an old poopyhead!" than to try to make the case that poor spelling is indicative of anything but poor spelling.  On the other hand, maybe Dan Quayle really is an idiot?
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Actually I did both.  I refuted netrig's "logic" and took a well-deserved poke at his "education".  

A person's writing reveals their thinking - both content and quality.  I critique both.

An occasional minor spelling typo is one thing, but to consistently spell simple words incorrectly is just another sign of a poorly educated mind.  

Link Posted: 2/17/2002 4:08:51 AM EDT
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Actually I did both.  I refuted netrig's "logic" and took a well-deserved poke at his "education".  

A person's writing reveals their thinking - both content and quality.  I critique both.

An occasional minor spelling typo is one thing, but to consistently spell simple words incorrectly is just another sign of a poorly educated mind.  

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In that case, your post should read "A person's writing reveals [i]his[/i] thinking - both content and quality."
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:43:10 AM EDT
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In that case, your post should read "A person's writing reveals [i]his[/i] thinking - both content and quality."
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No, I used "their" in its proper form.

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of [i]their[/i]:
1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action
2 : his or her : HIS, HER, ITS -- used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent.

Using this definition, there's nothing grammatically wrong with my statement "A person's writing reveals their  thinking - both content and quality."

[:P]
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:50:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Well, since nobody else has said it, I will: "Can't we all just get along???" LOL
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 7:10:37 AM EDT
[#5]
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Well, since nobody else has said it, I will: "Can't we all just get along???" LOL
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Otherwise we burn this mutha out!! [@:D]
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 7:50:17 AM EDT
[#6]
Did somebody Black Rifle month ? Shouldn't that be every month. Joke'm if they can't take a fuck.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 8:02:13 AM EDT
[#7]
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Clearly this is going to be a touchy subject, so I'll try not to tread on too many toes here...(first time for everything! [;D]  )
[/qoute]

This is always a difficult subject as long as it doesn't turn into a shouting match or mud slinging, it should be fine.


I see that, in general, in the state I live in (Florida) 80 percent of the population in jail at any given time is likely to be black, while statewide, blacks are less than 20 percent of the population.

There's something vaguely disturbing about that picture, don't you think?
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Very disturbing! Its a self perpetuation problem which the community and its leaders haven't done enough to address. Those who are the leaders and role models are STILL behaving in this manner.

Kweisi Mfume (NAACP President/CEO) a former criminal.

For example, Jessie Jackson recently had a child with someone other than his wife. He has badgered,harassed, etc  other Black leaders who didn't share his point of view - so much so that I question the legality of it!

Bill Clinton, while not Black, was revered by leaders like Jackson. His actions speak for themself. His actions criminal - there many questionable things which he has done and are unanswered.

Victimizers help each other, criminals help each other yet when SHTF there is no honor among them. They just perpetuate the problems to benefit themselves.

If they were to address and solve the problems would their  "services" be needed?

CONTINUED...

Link Posted: 2/17/2002 8:05:00 AM EDT
[#8]
Originally Poster By cmjohnson:

Every ethnic group that comes to America invariably joins in the great American experience with a smile on their lips and a willingness to work hard and make it work.  Every ethnic group save ONE.

but...the blacks don't seem to do that.
Not like the other ethnic groups, anyway.
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I would say thats a very broad generalization, why?
If you consider Africans to be "blacks" i've known many who have come here (without the influencesmany "Blacks" here are exposed to) and they are very hard workers and most (not all) try to be productive.

Also, I think this tends to be more true among the poor, isolated.  Most middle class people (blacks) I know aren't this way. I think isolation among a group allows the for these "leaders" to perpetuate stereotypes of others (mainly whites).
Its hard for some to know anything about others  whom they are not exposed to.

I think a LARGE part of the problem is due to the ideas that are perpetuated by the leaders and POLITICIANS in the Black communities here.
This is what is preached to the masses, "you're a victum, demand compensation".


They are more inclined to remain separate and not try to merge with the culture around them.
They're not 'team players' like the others.  I question their average work ethic.
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...half true, yes, there are some who tend to isolated themselves and hang in their own group or cliques. I think its has alot to do with ones exposure to other ethnic groups from an early age. I have been around many, many different groups of people (By the way I am Black), most of my friends are of other races.


I'm not saying there aren't some great black Americans.  There are.  I can think of several that are outstanding Americans, regardless of color.  Colin Powell leads off the list.  If it weren't for his gun views, I'd support him in a Presidential bid.
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I agree with you on that, too bad about his view point on guns though!
 

Several great actors.  James Earl Jones.  Whoopi Goldberg.  Will Smith.   And so on.  These are good people I'd be glad to have over for dinner sometime.
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James Earl Jones - pro 2nd, very nice person.

Whoopi Goldberg once said, "I don't see whats wrong with a little socialism" - Buzz, WRONG answer!

Will Smith - Seems nice but I don't know enough about his view points, otherwise he is a decent person.


But there are too many blacks who fall far short of my most basic standards of human decency and behavior, and I wonder what the problem is.

And then I turn to the words of Dr. William Shockley...you look it up.

CJ
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Again, look at  the leaders in the community, what example have they given? Jessie Jackson look at his actions, Al Sharpton (can't stand the man) a real intellect, etc... This is what people see, this is what the youth are told are "good examples". It saddens me, really saddens me.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 8:15:58 AM EDT
[#9]
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I think that we can all learn a lesson from Malcolm X. He believed, and preached, that the black man and the white man could not co-exist in the same country. The idea was put in his head, and he accepted it, without question. Yet, when he went to Mecca on his "hajj" (pilgrimage), he saw men of ALL races sharing and worshipping together. It was this self-discovery, and the realization that what he had been told was not correct, that led to his assassination. What I am saying is this --- there are too many people, race notwithstanding, who are too lazy or too self-centered to question and investigate thoughts and ideas for themselves. They would rather let someone else put ideas in their heads, and words in their mouths. We will be better off when we ALL take the time to do the necessary research, ask the questions, process the information available to us and form our own opinions, rather than have someone else dictate to us how we should think and what opinions we should express.  
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I think this is the problem, in general, with our society as a WHOLE.

I call it "Spoon Feeding".

People would rather be spoon fed information rather than find out for themselves.

People justify it by saying they don't time, etc...

"You are only as knowledgable as you're [I]willing[/I] to be."

This is what has made me so very angry with many "anti's" at times.
The idea that if we *ban* this and that, the problem will go away.

Idealistic at best, like prohibitionist and their ban on alcohol.

If people (or criminals) want something, they will get it, one way or another - "Supply and demand".

They never learn, yet..

Drugs are banned, why hasn't the problem gone away??
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:38:50 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
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In that case, your post should read "A person's writing reveals [i]his[/i] thinking - both content and quality."
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No, I used "their" in its proper form.

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of [i]their[/i]:
1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action
2 : his or her : HIS, HER, ITS -- used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent.

Using this definition, there's nothing grammatically wrong with my statement "A person's writing reveals their  thinking - both content and quality."

[:P]
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Yes, but in the sentence as you constructed it, the pronoun must agree with the singular antecedent "A person's."  thus, you need the singular construction "his."  If you want to be politically correct, which I hope you don't, you could use "his/her" although I still follow the rule that when gender is unspecified, one should always use the masculine.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:55:05 PM EDT
[#11]
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Yes, but in the sentence as you constructed it, the pronoun must agree with the singular antecedent "A person's."  thus, you need the singular construction "his."  If you want to be politically correct, which I hope you don't, you could use "his/her" although I still follow the rule that when gender is unspecified, one should always use the masculine.
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As noted in definition #2 that I quoted from the Dictionary, I used "their" in EXACTLY its proper form.  It means "his" when used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent which is what "a person's" is.

I criticized netrig's faulty logic and God-awful writing, yet you seem hell-bent on simply finding ANY possible chink in the armour of my argument to the point of straining on the nuances of the definition of "their".

Regardless, WTF does this have to do with racist Black radicals assuming leadership of America's Black population?  That is the point of the thread. [>:/]
Link Posted: 2/21/2002 4:56:08 AM EDT
[#12]
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Yes, but in the sentence as you constructed it, the pronoun must agree with the singular antecedent "A person's."  thus, you need the singular construction "his."  If you want to be politically correct, which I hope you don't, you could use "his/her" although I still follow the rule that when gender is unspecified, one should always use the masculine.
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As noted in definition #2 that I quoted from the Dictionary, I used "their" in EXACTLY its proper form.  It means "his" when used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent which is what "a person's" is.

I criticized netrig's faulty logic and God-awful writing, yet you seem hell-bent on simply finding ANY possible chink in the armour of my argument to the point of straining on the nuances of the definition of "their".

Regardless, WTF does this have to do with racist Black radicals assuming leadership of America's Black population?  That is the point of the thread. [>:/]
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I checked this with two of my coworkers from the English department and the proper construction uses "his."  The reason I am pushing you on it is that you are the one who proposed the idea that poor spelling is an indicator of overall worthlessness in a person's position.  So, I expect that one who holds such an opinion would take pains to be absolutely sure that his posts are flawless in both grammar and spelling.  Your grammar has as much to do with this thread as Netrig's spelling.
Link Posted: 2/21/2002 8:17:50 AM EDT
[#13]
The real problem with the race argument and the inevitable rants that ensue is that the argument itself is superficial.  

You can complain all you like that your Bushmaster doesn't appear to be firing, but if you don't put any rounds in the mag, you'll never have a solution to the problem, you'll just have to go on whining.  No one here should have any sympathy for you, because you refuse to address the root cause of your problem.

The same thing applies to the race debate.  The real problem isn't that "Blacks do this" or "Whites do that" or "Hispanics/Asians/Arabs do something else".  The problem is that there are lots of people out there who believe that the government and, by extension, you and I, owe them something.  There are blacks, whites, and people of every other colour who believe it's their right to get handouts from the government.  

The reason that the debate centers so strongly around black people is that black people are the one, single, unique demographic group which has a vocal "leadership" that [i]encourages[/i]  them to believe that they are entitled to handouts.

There are no Korean Jesse Jacksons, no Mexican Al Sharptons.  

So people (black, white, and other) see what Jesse and Al are saying, and they make a mistake:  they take these men seriously.  Some black people believe Jesse when he tells them that the world owes them something.  Some white people get irate at hearing what Jesse has to say, and they direct their anger at black people in general, because they assume he's [i]speaking[/i]  for black people in general.

Black people need to listen to these men and say, "No, it's no one's job to pay my way."  White people need to listen to these men and say, "These men are speaking with no authority, and should be scorned."

Men like Sharpton and Jackson are vultures; they may be annoying, but they're only there because there's a carcass upon which to feed.

If people stopped expecting handouts from the government, soon Jesse and Al would be out of work.  Let [i]them[/i]  stand in a welfare line for a while.

-BP
Link Posted: 2/21/2002 10:09:17 PM EDT
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I checked this with two of my coworkers from the English department and the proper construction uses "his."  The reason I am pushing you on it is that you are the one who proposed the idea that poor spelling is an indicator of overall worthlessness in a person's position.  So, I expect that one who holds such an opinion would take pains to be absolutely sure that his posts are flawless in both grammar and spelling.  Your grammar has as much to do with this thread as Netrig's spelling.
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DO YOU RECALL THIS STATEMENT BY ME??
"As far as ad hominem attacks - Guilty-as-charged Golgo-13. I get certainly riled up sometimes, I do admit."

Well done [b]Golgo-13[/b], you've really scored mucho points with this one!  You even dragged your middle school English teachers into it too!
For you to spend SUCH effort and energy on the minutia of this grammatical [b]interpretation[/b] only PROVES my point - [b]the quality and content of YOUR writing is revealing the SHALLOWNESS of YOUR thinking.[/b]  

I expose netrig's blatant self-contraditions and faulty reasoning then critique his incredibly obvious and repeated spelling flaws - especially since he insists that he's so "educated" and that I should be like him. And all you can do is choke on the use of "their" rather than "his"?!


Way to go [b]Golgo-13[/b]!! The vast resources of your cartoon-watching experience are truly laid bare on your input into this thread.  Thank you for providing such insightful views on the state of Black American leadership and the progression towards radicalism in Black Academia.  That is the topic of the thread, you know?

Any more deep thoughts on this you'd like to share?

Link Posted: 2/22/2002 6:09:00 AM EDT
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I checked this with two of my coworkers from


Well done [b]Golgo-13[/b], you've really scored mucho points with this one!  You even dragged your middle school English teachers into it too!
For you to spend SUCH effort and energy on the minutia of this grammatical [b]interpretation[/b] only PROVES my point - [b]the quality and content of YOUR writing is revealing the SHALLOWNESS of YOUR thinking.[/b]  

I expose netrig's blatant self-contraditions and faulty reasoning then critique his incredibly obvious and repeated spelling flaws - especially since he insists that he's so "educated" and that I should be like him. And all you can do is choke on the use of "their" rather than "his"?!


Way to go [b]Golgo-13[/b]!! The vast resources of your cartoon-watching experience are truly laid bare on your input into this thread.  Thank you for providing such insightful views on the state of Black American leadership and the progression towards radicalism in Black Academia.  That is the topic of the thread, you know?

Any more deep thoughts on this you'd like to share?

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1.  I teach high school, not middle school, although the level is not germane.  The rules of English grammar are the same at all academic levels.

2. You got burnt on this, but you needn't take it personally, as it was never a personal attack on you. The second time the topic of spelling came up, I wasn't even discussing it with you, if you go back and re-read.  You elected to jump back in and take up your old position.  Now take your lumps with a little better grace.  You are clearly a bright person, but you don't know everything; tantrums like this do not become you.

With that, I am done with this thread.  Race reations is always a thorny subject and it brings out the worst in people of all colors.  I've better things to do than watch people who I otherwise like behave badly.  See you in the funny papers.
Link Posted: 2/22/2002 6:58:36 AM EDT
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I think the press is having a hard time finding canidates for black history month. Today CNN has "Arts & Entertainment Sean P. Diddy" Combs:
record producer, rap artist, restaurateur, clothing marketer', they left a few things out, like hood, arrest record. etc. But hey with business's like Bad Boy Marketing, Bad Boy Productions, Bad Boy Technologies, Bad Boy Films and Bad Boy Books. he must be a good guy and a good role model , oh yes and of course it mentions 2 sons but no mention of the kids mom. (GASP !!!)

 
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