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Posted: 9/8/2013 7:40:40 AM EDT
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. Well, hell, yooz just keep that whore mouth open! 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 7:48:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gatling guns firing 45-70 rounds would be pretty bad ass as well.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M-14 Gatling guns firing 45-70 rounds would be pretty bad ass as well. Maybe somehow rig up napalm canisters to fire through a gatling gun.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 7:53:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those motherfuckers aren't even worthy of having the US dispatch an aluminum jon boat full of duck hunters off the coast. Well put sir. Maybe we send in some 3 1/2" Hevi-Shot with them, but that's about it.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 7:58:10 AM EDT
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If we REALLY wanted Assad, and everyone else, to be afraid of us.
Yeah, I know we can't and WHY we can't, but unless the magic pumpkins are on the table, NOTHING else we'll throw at them will "scare" them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:02:23 AM EDT
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Hell yeah! While we're at it we should bring back the paris guns.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:18:27 AM EDT
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About 55 miles further inland. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It worked like a charm in Lebanon in the '80s. In fact, the New Jersey wiped out the Syrian command structure in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War. http://i42.tinypic.com/2hdxgdi.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/fcte2g.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/21cwiyu.jpg What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. About 55 miles further inland. Added a little more info. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the objective in this war??? Do you really want to put hard-line Islamists in charge of that country? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We have seen in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan that the US Military and some of our closest allies have the military might and courage to handle the game. As soon as you leave the outcome up to the U.N. or the politicians its a FUBAR. If were not going to get into the game with an attitude of total victory as was done in per say WW2 then why bother. We won in Iraq only to hastily leave and let it go south. Afghanistan is going the same way. I would not want Nobama to have my back in a bar fight much less more in a war. It needs to be given to the Generals with a time frame and the check book and leave it at that. Also the Syrian command structure was more chased inland than wiped out. But good point. What is the objective in this war??? Do you really want to put hard-line Islamists in charge of that country? Our historic President, Barack Hussein Obama, does.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:37:17 AM EDT
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Syria has ASM's that would turn those into fish habitats rather quickly.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:39:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And bring back the M-14 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M-14 I support this!!! |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:42:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those motherfuckers aren't even worthy of having the US dispatch an aluminum jon boat full of duck hunters off the coast. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:44:04 AM EDT
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Not to be a buzzkill, but 2000 pounds of bomb is 2000 pounds of bomb.
whether from a 16" cannon or dropped from an F18. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 8:50:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About 55 miles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It worked like a charm in Lebanon in the '80s. In fact, the New Jersey wiped out the Syrian command structure in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War. http://i42.tinypic.com/2hdxgdi.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/fcte2g.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/21cwiyu.jpg What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. About 55 miles. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:01:50 AM EDT
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If we REALLY wanted Assad, and everyone else, to be afraid of us. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/tep0583/original_zps8169caea.jpg Yeah, I know we can't and WHY we can't, but unless the magic pumpkins are on the table, NOTHING else we'll throw at them will "scare" them. That is beautiful. We should send one to each of the ME countries. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:01:56 AM EDT
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And Aircraft Carriers. 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:05:41 AM EDT
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What the Syrians fear most is some Rangers getting ashore with a std issue GI sock, some Comp B, axle grease and a simple fuze
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:14:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't we send a bunch of B2's over there? With a payload of 80 Jdams each (or 16 nuclear bombs ), that should be more than enough to make Assad scared.To insure the victory of AQ and its allies? So Obama and Kerry look like men with a gesture they admit won't change the military situation? Syria is a sovereign country. Its government - freely elected or not - is fighting internal rebels and foreign Islamist jihads. As long as it stays in Syria it isn't one fucking bit of our national concern. Are we going to interfere in every civil war? We didn't get involved in Dafur. Or in Syria when people were just blowing each other up and shooting each other, etc. Or are we just going to bomb (1 time?) evil dictators? Or just ones that gas their people? So Assad yes, Mugabe no? What about dictators with nukes? Iran? North Korea? Fuck this noise. Let the Syrians fight it out. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M1 Garand Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:19:00 AM EDT
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And bring back the M-14 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M-14 This line of thinking eventually will lead to the Large ALICE pack, and ain't nobody got time fo' dat. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:21:26 AM EDT
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What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It worked like a charm in Lebanon in the '80s. In fact, the New Jersey wiped out the Syrian command structure in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War. http://i42.tinypic.com/2hdxgdi.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/fcte2g.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/21cwiyu.jpg What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. Fewer French-style sidewalk cafes in Damascus. Duh. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:24:53 AM EDT
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I don't think we should waste a RC Model airplane on those fuckers. When I see two snakes fighting each other, I watch the outcome and kill the winner. America should apply the same principle in Syria Pretty well sums up my opinion also. No idea what the hell Obama's actual agenda is, but you can bet it has not a damn thing to do with our (U.S.) best interest. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:25:52 AM EDT
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Those guns on the New Jersey must have been pre-ban.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:32:00 AM EDT
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Not to be a buzzkill, but 2000 pounds of bomb is 2000 pounds of bomb. whether from a 16" cannon or dropped from an F18. Quite a bit more explosives (like 5-6 times) in a 2000lbs GBU than in a 2000 Naval gun round. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:37:46 AM EDT
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If we wanted Assad to be afraid of a US strike we would have done it already, like Reagan in Libya. And M-113's with detachable glider wings towed into combat by A-10's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If we wanted Assad to be afraid of a US strike we would have done it already, like Reagan in Libya. Quoted:
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M-14 And M-113's with detachable glider wings towed into combat by A-10's. 
(and yes, I know the reference. Fucking Sparks  )
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:52:28 AM EDT
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Not to be a buzzkill, but 2000 pounds of bomb is 2000 pounds of bomb. whether from a 16" cannon or dropped from an F18. Don't forget the latest New Jersey carried 32 Tomahawks and 16 Harpoons. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 9:56:30 AM EDT
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. I've been saying this for years. Between the a1 and a10 we could have awesome CAS for the cost of 5 F35s... |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea what they did with the stocks of HE rounds. My guess is that there were still plenty in the inventory. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:06:54 AM EDT
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The navy would have to dig pretty deep to find anyone who would know how to lock and load one of those. My old man knows how to work those guns. I bet a lot of guys are still around who know how to work em. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:07:39 AM EDT
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What type of missle did we send into Ghadaffi's palace? That seemed to work pretty well.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:10:25 AM EDT
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Added a little more info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It worked like a charm in Lebanon in the '80s. In fact, the New Jersey wiped out the Syrian command structure in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War. http://i42.tinypic.com/2hdxgdi.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/fcte2g.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/21cwiyu.jpg What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. About 55 miles further inland. Added a little more info. Better put tracks on those BB's cause that is they only way their guns are reaching Damascus. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:14:44 AM EDT
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What is the objective in this war??? Do you really want to put hard-line Islamists in charge of that country? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have seen in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan that the US Military and some of our closest allies have the military might and courage to handle the game. As soon as you leave the outcome up to the U.N. or the politicians its a FUBAR. If were not going to get into the game with an attitude of total victory as was done in per say WW2 then why bother. We won in Iraq only to hastily leave and let it go south. Afghanistan is going the same way. I would not want Nobama to have my back in a bar fight much less more in a war. It needs to be given to the Generals with a time frame and the check book and leave it at that. Also the Syrian command structure was more chased inland than wiped out. But good point. What is the objective in this war??? Do you really want to put hard-line Islamists in charge of that country? Which Hard liners you choosing. Name the group and leader you want to see take control. There is no one but more hard liners. There is no one there on our side or even close to it. If we do something to Assad it simply opens the door for the next regime. This is the hornets nest. There is no win, just try not to get the shit stung out of you. Don't get me wrong. If we had a very strong military not being broke down now and a competent Commander in chief in power I would say wack his ass.At least then the next group could get the message of Don't mess with us. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:15:53 AM EDT
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What type of missle did we send into Ghadaffi's palace? That seemed to work pretty well. F-111 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:30:45 AM EDT
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I thought I read somewhere that they demilled all the powder bags as well. Not like it's hard to make but fuck if I can get 8lbs of Varget much less what a 16" gun can shoot up  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The navy would have to dig pretty deep to find anyone who would know how to lock and load one of those. Or to even find ammo it was all demiled years ago. The ammo isn't difficult to make. Artillery shells are not high tech. The 16" solid target practice rounds still exist. Why demil a chunk of iron that weighs 2600 pounds and nobody has a gun for anymore? No idea what they did with the stocks of HE rounds. My guess is that there were still plenty in the inventory. to my knowledge, they still have bunkers of 16 inch shells in Oklahoma. my grandfather was head of ammunition disposal at the Ammunition Plant and told me about the massive storage of 16in munitions there. in 2000 they were still blowing up ammo from Korea and Vietnam there. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:33:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh...a sub with cruise missiles can bring just as much pain. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:36:38 AM EDT
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If they want to resolve this quickly, simply use a drone and take him out. Then never set one single boot on the ground- just let the power vacuum work itself out. I'd argue it's working itself out just fine right now. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:46:55 AM EDT
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And bring back the M-14 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Allow me to round out this discussion of antiquated weapons of war that arfcom jizzes itself for with the following statement: We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. And bring back the M-14 The US still fields an M-14 variant. As far as the A-1 Skyraider goes, can the A-10 land on a carrier? No? Then why not bring back a capable, updated A-1. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:02:26 AM EDT
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While shooting giant ass guns is certainly cheaper than cruise missiles, I personally would find a large missile able to hit within a few feet of its intended target far more terrifying than an obsolete shell lobber.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:05:15 AM EDT
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just the sound of racking a battleship should get the job done.
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:21:53 AM EDT
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Quite a bit more explosives (like 5-6 times) in a 2000lbs GBU than in a 2000 Naval gun round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to be a buzzkill, but 2000 pounds of bomb is 2000 pounds of bomb. whether from a 16" cannon or dropped from an F18. Quite a bit more explosives (like 5-6 times) in a 2000lbs GBU than in a 2000 Naval gun round. Didn't realize it was that much more. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:27:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While shooting giant ass guns is certainly cheaper than cruise missiles, I personally would find a large missile able to hit within a few feet of its intended target far more terrifying than an obsolete shell lobber. Accurate enough. Impressively so. And, to play devil's advocate for a moment, a cruise missile can (at least theoretically) be shot down. They're subsonic, you know. 2600 pounds of iron and explosives on a purely ballistic trajectory, by comparison, is pretty much ASSURED of striking its target and there's really not much of anything that can be done to prevent it. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:31:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't actually KNOW how accurate the 16" guns on the BBs are, apparently. Accurate enough. Impressively so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While shooting giant ass guns is certainly cheaper than cruise missiles, I personally would find a large missile able to hit within a few feet of its intended target far more terrifying than an obsolete shell lobber. Accurate enough. Impressively so. cue the CEP overlay of 16" shot pattern over the pentagon. hit rate would be what...15%? why don't you tell us how accurate 16" shells are?
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:33:02 AM EDT
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I am one of those bring back the battleships guys. Is there any modern bomb delivery that can touch the bang for the buck (pun intended) of a 16" gun? Most cities are within the range of that things guns. Besides that fucking thing screams "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" this here |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:35:06 AM EDT
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Do you know how expensive it would be to operate a battleship? To reactivate a battleship? To train a crew of 2000? Factor that into your calculations about bang for your buck, not just the cost of 16 inch shells vs. the cost of 2000 pounds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am one of those bring back the battleships guys. Is there any modern bomb delivery that can touch the bang for the buck (pun intended) of a 16" gun? Most cities are within the range of that things guns. Besides that fucking thing screams "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" Do you know how expensive it would be to operate a battleship? To reactivate a battleship? To train a crew of 2000? Factor that into your calculations about bang for your buck, not just the cost of 16 inch shells vs. the cost of 2000 pounds. 16" shells vs. cruise missiles from a sub, I would bet it would come out on the side of the battle ship. even if it didnt, I think it would be worth it 
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:35:52 AM EDT
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We need a nuclear powered battleship with rail guns that shoot rocket assisted GPS guided shells. I came
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Posted: 9/8/2013 11:49:06 AM EDT
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We should still use Skyraiders for CAS. http://www.lfeldhaus.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/1_28%2902b.jpg Bet if anyone had their ass in a sling they would be glad to see this coming to their rescue. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:14:32 PM EDT
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Those guns on the New Jersey must have been pre-ban. sounds like sumptin a 13'er would say,,,, why do u guys keep calling Spads, sky-raiders? They're Spads!!! what beach is that? fla? |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:21:20 PM EDT
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don't take the NJ just yet....... I want to go to this http://www.camdenwaterfront.com/events/beer-festival-battleship-nj Quote HistoryQuoted:
don't take the NJ just yet....... I want to go to this http://www.camdenwaterfront.com/events/beer-festival-battleship-nj Enjoy beer tastings from 19 of NJ's craft brewers in the tented fantail area of the ship. Music, food, and tour the ship. We'll also offer a VIP ticket for a limited number of adults for private sampling of special beers and meet the brewers at 12:30 pm. You're a couple of months late |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better put tracks on those BB's cause that is they only way their guns are reaching Damascus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Better put tracks on those BB's cause that is they only way their guns are reaching Damascus. Brilliant! Quoted: The US still fields an M-14 variant. As far as the A-1 Skyraider goes, can the A-10 land on a carrier? No? Then why not bring back a capable, updated A-1. You can land and launch a C-130 from a carrier. Why not an AC-130? |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:43:21 PM EDT
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We need a nuclear powered battleship with rail guns that shoot rocket assisted GPS guided shells. That is also a submarine... |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:53:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is also a submarine... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need a nuclear powered battleship with rail guns that shoot rocket assisted GPS guided shells. That is also a submarine... Negatory. We need the Project Orion nuclear pulse powered interplanetary space battleship armed with 5" guns firing nuclear shaped charges, atomic bombs, missiles, and a company of Marines who can drop to anywhere in the planet within 90 minutes. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 1:18:32 PM EDT
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Better put tracks on those BB's cause that is they only way their guns are reaching Damascus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It worked like a charm in Lebanon in the '80s. In fact, the New Jersey wiped out the Syrian command structure in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War. http://i42.tinypic.com/2hdxgdi.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/fcte2g.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/21cwiyu.jpg What is the difference between Beirut and Damascus? Think hard. About 55 miles further inland. Added a little more info. Better put tracks on those BB's cause that is they only way their guns are reaching Damascus. Fuck tracks... put that shit into orbit! |
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