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Posted: 4/17/2008 10:54:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2008 10:58:38 PM EDT
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Send me some LC and I'll take another pic.  (And shoot it afterwards  )
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:06:23 PM EDT
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Prior to the mid 1960's, .30-06 was THE American rifle caliber. Now it's .308, though .30-06 is still the cartridge all new rifle calibers are compared to to see how they stack up. It's the standard, 102 years after its introduction. I'd feel secure in either being the official national rifle caliber.
.45ACP has been an American icon since... 1905, I think. Still going strong and killing shit. If it can't be .45ACP (and I don't see why it shouldn't be), 10mm Auto is actually more powerful and also has the distinction of being an American invention. |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:12:14 PM EDT
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x55 (well, it's called 7.5x55, but it's a .308/7.62 bullet, so it still counts) |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:13:45 PM EDT
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Me no understando 
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:18:11 PM EDT
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7.62x51mm
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:48:11 PM EDT
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120mm APFSDS-T?
Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi tankers can't be wrong! Really, with my screen name, I'd have to go with the .308 FTWIN! |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:50:30 PM EDT
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yep |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:50:54 PM EDT
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That's the uber-Euro round |
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:56:34 PM EDT
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I don't think Iraq had hundreds of thousands of tankers to begin with. 
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Posted: 4/17/2008 11:58:18 PM EDT
[#11]
50BMG dimensionally just a big old 30-06
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:00:24 AM EDT
[#12]
+2 100 years + and still in common use |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:11:33 AM EDT
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There sure as hell weren't that many AFTER!
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:15:37 AM EDT
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Regardless of the how or why it was chosen, our warriors accomplished great things sending the .30-06 down range. With it, they shaped the 20th century. Perhaps when the 5.56 accomplishes anything better than a draw, it will find it's place at the top of the heap. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:17:53 AM EDT
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Umm. 9mm is not Nazi. Pansy yes. Nazi, no; think about 30 years earlier. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:18:55 AM EDT
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A national cartridge?
None other than the 30-06 of course. It really a no-brainer. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:19:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:22:09 AM EDT
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x45 (Used on the Czech vz52 rifle. Damn near impossible to find.) |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:24:18 AM EDT
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thurty-thurty
 Just kidding, 30.06. FTMFW!  I only have one 30.06, a post-war Garand. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:33:03 AM EDT
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30'06 Springfield hands down.
I dislike it, mainly because it's just "good enough." I think I'm going to end up building a rifle in it though. Especially if I need to sell it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:36:52 AM EDT
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HP 45.
 More of my HP printers use it than any other cartridge. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:38:21 AM EDT
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5.56
duh |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:42:30 AM EDT
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man, i was going for .45 acp as the quintessential american round but i +1 .50bmg for pure awesomeness!!!  where da poll for the number crunchers??? |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:47:27 AM EDT
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Of course. Close the thread. It doesnt need to be discussed any further. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:47:36 AM EDT
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What is this "good enough" you speak of? The 30-06 out performs the 308 easily with bullets heavier than 150grs. Also, this will cause an argument, but the jury is still out on whether the 308 has any real accuracy potential or that a shorter action is the initiator of better performance and the 30-06 has a track record second to none from the battlefield to the deer stand. Good enough is an insult. Rather it is the standard by which all centerfire cartriges are compared. It has spawned countless wildcats that are now popular variants in their own right, the 25-06, the classic 270 WIN, 280 REM, 35 Whelen to name a few. The 30-06 is the quintessential rifle cartrdge. There isnt a round that is more suited for any venue than the 30-06. Its a great hunting round, able to take any North American game and most African medium game. It won two world wars and many other "conflicts". It has performed as a long range precision round, a machine gun round, an aircraft gun round, you name it its been there and done that. Its replacement only offered less expense in manufacture. I challenge anyone to find a round that has a comparable pedigree. When talking a round that defines the American gun culture it is hands down the 30-06 Springfield. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:47:41 AM EDT
[#26]
.22
.223 .308 .30-06 .300mag 6.8-??? |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:48:29 AM EDT
[#27]
damn forgot the main one
.45 yea!! |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:48:40 AM EDT
[#28]
Pistol .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt
Rifle 30-06 Springfield. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:48:45 AM EDT
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Yup. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:53:38 AM EDT
[#30]
HEAR, HEAR!
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Posted: 4/18/2008 10:58:06 AM EDT
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HXP = Greek  It's a tough call: Rifle I can see: 45/70 30/40 Krag 30.06 Springfield Pistol I can see: 45LC 45ACP 38 S&W and that's just the military rounds. 
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Posted: 4/18/2008 11:00:38 AM EDT
[#32]
.30-'06 and .45ACP.
-Mark |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 11:08:35 AM EDT
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I casting my first vote for 22LR.. it's almost the "everyone has one" caliber..
Then.. 45acp.. "The" handgun cartridge.. For rifle.. I'm going with 308 over 30-06.. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:37:23 PM EDT
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.223 remington, 308 winchester and/or 30-06 springfield for centerfire rifles
357 magnum, 40 s&w, 44 Remington Magnum and/or 45 acp for centerfire pistols 12 gauge for shotguns 22 long rifle for the rimfire category |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:42:27 PM EDT
[#35]
30-06
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:48:51 PM EDT
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This thread needs a poll and here are the nominees (based upon most of the responses that have been made so far):
.223 remington/5.56 nato .308 winchester/7.62 nato 30/06 springfield 45 acp 22 long rifle Overall, I would throw my vote behind either the 30/06 or the 308 (with a paper thin edge going to the '06). |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:49:31 PM EDT
[#37]
308 or 45 acp with those two you really need nothing else
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:52:13 PM EDT
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.45-70
Modern or not, it's one hell of a round. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 12:54:21 PM EDT
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.45
.44 .308 5.56mm .50 Beeeeeyotch |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:01:11 PM EDT
[#40]
What he and a bunch of other people said. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:11:56 PM EDT
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the OP wants a CARTRIDGE, NOT a pic of a glock firing 7.62 and .45 would be the national cartridges. .50 would be the EPIC national cartridge. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:13:12 PM EDT
[#42]
.45 long Colt.
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:16:22 PM EDT
[#43]
.308
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:28:09 PM EDT
[#44]
I would have to say:
30-06 45-70 45 LC 45 acp in that order. For you guys who said 9mm: WTF???? For you guys who said 223: please just go buy a 30-06 and finally understand that the 223 is the 410 shotshell of the rifle world. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:30:06 PM EDT
[#45]
It shoots thru schools..... |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:30:54 PM EDT
[#46]
.45ACP
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:56:26 PM EDT
[#47]
he's a kid all right. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 2:13:42 PM EDT
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I nominate the .38 ACP, proud grandfather of the 9x23mm Winchester cartridge.
In the rifle category, I would say the .50/70 Gov't. Except it is almost dimensionally identical to the 12.7x43R Remington Papal Legate cartridge. So I will nominate the .45/70 Gov't model cartridge instead. The Miss Congeniality prize should be awarded to the .44-40. It is a truly American cartridge, even if the Brits did use it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 2:46:56 PM EDT
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.45-70 and .45 Colt --- The cartridges that won the West Or .35 Winchester Centerfire (if it were the National Cartridge I could feed my Winchester 1895) Obviously: .30-06 and .45ACP The cartridges that beat the Germans, the Nazi's, the Italians, Japanese, pushed the NorKor to the Yalu River etc. Basically the the cartridges that won the twentieth century |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 2:57:30 PM EDT
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We should definitely consider 2 cartridges for the official "American" caliber: the .30-06 Springfield and the .45 ACP and here's why:
The .30-06 was our standard military rifle/MG cartridge through 2 world wars and most of the 20th century. It was replaced by the .308 which is essentially the same thing in a smaller package. IIRC, the .30-06 is still to this day the most popular hunting cartridge in America. It can be and has been used to hunt anything on this continent. The .45 ACP was our standard military pistol/SMG through 2 world wars and most of the 20th century, and if a lot of current service men had their way, it still would be. The .45 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) was essentially the "auto-fication" of another American classic, the .45 Long Colt. The .45 ACP is still a hugely popular police/defense round, and is still wildly popular in it's original 1911 platform. Both of these cartridges are uniquely American. They were born here, and have enjoyed a full century of popularity. While .308/7.62 and .223/5.56 are also American inventions, they are standard NATO cartridges and not uniquely American. There are plenty of cartridges that are and have been more popular worldwide: 9mm Luger, 7.62x39mm, .303 British, etc., but none can be considered "American" like the .30-06 Springfield and .45 ACP. So put that in your SKS and smoke it!
I know the Nazis didn't invent the 9mm, so lighten up. The 9mm Luger is a necked down .30 Luger and came out in 1903--older than the .45 ACP of 1905. I know this off the top of my head without looking it up, so you can stop accusing me of ignorance. |
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