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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:58:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:00:51 AM EDT
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Damnit, Aimless! That was odd, that wasn't a redirected link, the original link was some porn thing Yeah, take a look around the rest of the site.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:06:18 AM EDT
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Damnit, Aimless! That was odd, that wasn't a redirected link, the original link was some porn thing Yeah, take a look around the rest of the site.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:08:43 AM EDT
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I hate to break this to you... but the militia died well over a hundred years ago. "Protect & Serve" died sometime there after. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets?
If every citizen is a soldier, then we should be allowed to have the same weapons and gear as the police. With relatively few exceptions, you can. A badge doesn't give you a "Get out of NFA free" card. It practically does here in Ca, but in regards to all the non NFA crap we are not allowed to buy. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:21:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: The weather must be reeeeeally good to make living there worthwhile.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets? If every citizen is a soldier, then we should be allowed to have the same weapons and gear as the police. With relatively few exceptions, you can. A badge doesn't give you a "Get out of NFA free" card. It practically does here in Ca, but in regards to all the non NFA crap we are not allowed to buy. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:24:48 AM EDT
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It's a consequence of the dynamic entries/no-knock raids, or whatever they're being called this week.
In their efforts to efforts to campaign against the overuse of such tactics, a lot of people on the right focus on the use of military equipment. The funniest thing about this is that the anti-firearms crowd does something very similar; they demonize military-style things like flash suppressors, assault rifles, body armor etc. It's unfortunate because a lot of the time the debate over when no-knock raids are appropriate gets muddled and hijacked by people saying what equipment police forces need/don't need. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:33:56 AM EDT
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I don't care what the police have as long as the citizens can have the same thing- which was the intent of the 2nd Amendment. To keep the balance of power. Bingo and the Social State of IL believes in none of that tomfoolery. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:39:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. I'm not sure what Americans have strong sense of honoring anymore. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:43:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Love this... There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people Exactly. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:05:08 AM EDT
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Military is aimed against foreign enemies. Police are aimed against their own citizenry. Militarized police aimed against their own citizenry is bad juju. Gee, I thought Police were there to protect the citizenry by upholding the law. No. the police are there to catch people who have broken the law. THey are also there to deter lawbreakers by providing a presence. And, hopefully, they can catch people in the act of breaking the law, which sometimes means donning body armor and rifles to catch an active shooter before the active shooters wreaks too much damage. The concern is when the police become the "standing army" that the Founding Fathers warned us against. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:12:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:30:48 AM EDT
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I hate to break this to you... but the militia died well over a hundred years ago. No... Not really. Who is the militia? "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." That means that anyone who meets the above stated requirements, and is NOT in the National Guard/Naval Militia, and is not excepted in the next paragraph, IS in the unorganized militia. So .... Who isn't the militia? "(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty: (1) The Vice President. (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty. (4) Customhouse clerks. (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail. (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States. (7) Pilots on navigable waters. (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States. (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant." If it was the militia in the traditional sense of the word as people here are using it, we'd have regular musters. We'd be organized. We'd have regular drill. There is no modern militia. If the National Guard was the "militia" no one would have to volunteer for it, either. They'd automatically be a member unless exempted. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:36:45 AM EDT
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Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. Feel free to direct us to that part of the Constitution. Federalist and anti-federalist papers partner. Tends to complain quite often about standing armies. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:41:35 AM EDT
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Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. Feel free to direct us to that part of the Constitution. Federalist and anti-federalist papers partner. Tends to complain quite often about standing armies. Police/Sheriff's Departments are a State/County/Municipal entity. The US constitution has nothing to do with them. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:48:14 AM EDT
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Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. Feel free to direct us to that part of the Constitution. Federalist and anti-federalist papers partner. Tends to complain quite often about standing armies. Police/Sheriff's Departments are a State/County/Municipal entity. The US constitution has nothing to do with them. The US constitution doesn't, but the liberty minded folks of the time had a lot of comments to make about any form of tyranny. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:54:27 AM EDT
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violent crime has been consistently going down
yet, I keep hearing about how the police need to "gun-up" for the increasing threats they/we are faced with Do the local police see real threats? Perceived threats? or threats they haven't specifically identified yet? I've already been identified as a terrorist by DHS, due to my beliefs. Are police departments trying to gear up to take on myself and all the other millions of Americans who still believe in the constitution, fly a gadsden flag and *gasp* own guns? Your government (or large segments of it) is in a cold war against you, they just need more of their chess pieces in place before it goes hot. tin foil and all that, blah blah if you are not concerned and alerted by all these things happening around you in the last decade, thats your problem, you can't say you weren't warned |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:55:12 AM EDT
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Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. Feel free to direct us to that part of the Constitution. Federalist and anti-federalist papers partner. Tends to complain quite often about standing armies. I am likely one of the few people you have ever met who has read both. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:55:52 AM EDT
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It's a consequence of the dynamic entries/no-knock raids, or whatever they're being called this week. In their efforts to efforts to campaign against the overuse of such tactics, a lot of people on the right focus on the use of military equipment. The funniest thing about this is that the anti-firearms crowd does something very similar; they demonize military-style things like flash suppressors, assault rifles, body armor etc. It's unfortunate because a lot of the time the debate over when no-knock raids are appropriate gets muddled and hijacked by people saying what equipment police forces need/don't need. Can't disagree at all. The debate needs to be about the employment of no-knock/fast-knock raids not the gear. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 11:56:52 AM EDT
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Our Constitution does not allow for military to police it's own citizens. Americans have a strong sense of honoring this and having our police simply fill in the roll of a paramilitary does not sit well with most. Feel free to direct us to that part of the Constitution. Federalist and anti-federalist papers partner. Tends to complain quite often about standing armies. I am likely one of the few people you have ever met who has read both. Oh okay. Why did you post about Americans not having a strong sense of dissuading any form of standing armies? Did you mean Americans now? ETA: nvm I'm an idiot, original post suggested the Constitution forbade that. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:06:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:12:35 PM EDT
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Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets?
If every citizen is a soldier, then we should be allowed to have the same weapons and gear as the police. If every citizen is a Soldier, then there should be some PT being conducted. Maybe the police should do some pt. Lots of fat assed cops around too.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:06:24 PM EDT
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It's essential that the citizenry is as well armed as those who enforce law and order. Those who are the best armed and most capable are not out fighting the police on a daily basis but are out contributing to society.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:15:23 PM EDT
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doesnt compute..they havent earned the right to be called a Soldier..
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:18:10 PM EDT
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Love this... There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people Exactly. Well put! John |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:31:50 PM EDT
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The American people are getting tired of the control antics and the silent majority has about had enough already. RR What silent majority are you talking about? Are you referring to the same majority that was going to take down the FSA and Obama? |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:32:27 PM EDT
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Saying every Citizen is a Soldier is like saying every Marine is a Rifleman. and 1+1 is 2 |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:51:27 PM EDT
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Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets?
because those same things are taboo for the rest of you. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:59:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: It's essential that the citizenry is as well armed as those who enforce law and order. Those who are the best armed and most capable are not out fighting the police on a daily basis but are out contributing to society. Which is the funny thing I notice about being a soldier in Iraq. Yeah, sure the AK47 is a dangerous tool and is capable of alot of destruction. But I can say, nobody in my Platoon was afraid of some dude with an AK47, because most of them were not disciplined or well trained. In a stand up fight, rifle versus rifle, we still kick their ass. It raises an eyebrow for me when I hear police getting in front of a microphone and talking about "oh noez. Gangland is heavily armed, we are fucked without having M113s, ect ect ect". My cousin owns AK47s and he has friends that own AK47s. They all don't know shit about how to use them tactically or how to even accurately shoot them. They're no more respectable or fearsome of a fighting force than a typical Hajji. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:02:21 PM EDT
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Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets?
Obviously because in this case, it does not apply to all citizens. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:02:24 PM EDT
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It's essential that the citizenry is as well armed as those who enforce law and order. Those who are the best armed and most capable are not out fighting the police on a daily basis but are out contributing to society. Which is the funny thing I notice about being a soldier in Iraq. Yeah, sure the AK47 is a dangerous tool and is capable of alot of destruction. But I can say, nobody in my Platoon was afraid of some dude with an AK47, because most of them were not disciplined or well trained. In a stand up fight, rifle versus rifle, we still kick their ass. It raises an eyebrow for me when I hear police getting in front of a microphone and talking about "oh noez. Gangland is heavily armed, we are fucked without having M113s, ect ect ect". My cousin owns AK47s and he has friends that own AK47s. They all don't know shit about how to use them tactically or how to even accurately shoot them. They're no more respectable or fearsome of a fighting force than a typical Hajji. the majority of police i have shot with fair about as well behind a gun. i'd wager less than 30% are what i'd consider proficient with their sidearm. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:12:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: take a history lesson because you really dont know wtf you're talking aboutWhy do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets? |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:24:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hate to break this to you... but the militia died well over a hundred years ago. No... Not really. Who is the militia? "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." That means that anyone who meets the above stated requirements, and is NOT in the National Guard/Naval Militia, and is not excepted in the next paragraph, IS in the unorganized militia. So .... Who isn't the militia? "(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty: (1) The Vice President. (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty. (4) Customhouse clerks. (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail. (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States. (7) Pilots on navigable waters. (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States. (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant." If it was the militia in the traditional sense of the word as people here are using it, we'd have regular musters. We'd be organized. We'd have regular drill. There is no modern militia. If the National Guard was the "militia" no one would have to volunteer for it, either. They'd automatically be a member unless exempted. All of the legal means necessary, and the legal obligation to do that, is there. Why isn't anyone being held accountable to that requirement? They register for selective service, ( so they can get their student loans, security clearances, etc), but indignantly profess how won't they be drafted, as that would be equivalent to slavery. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:26:53 PM EDT
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It's essential that the citizenry is as well armed as those who enforce law and order. Those who are the best armed and most capable are not out fighting the police on a daily basis but are out contributing to society. Which is the funny thing I notice about being a soldier in Iraq. Yeah, sure the AK47 is a dangerous tool and is capable of alot of destruction. But I can say, nobody in my Platoon was afraid of some dude with an AK47, because most of them were not disciplined or well trained. In a stand up fight, rifle versus rifle, we still kick their ass. It raises an eyebrow for me when I hear police getting in front of a microphone and talking about "oh noez. Gangland is heavily armed, we are fucked without having M113s, ect ect ect". My cousin owns AK47s and he has friends that own AK47s. They all don't know shit about how to use them tactically or how to even accurately shoot them. They're no more respectable or fearsome of a fighting force than a typical Hajji. the majority of police i have shot with fair about as well behind a gun. i'd wager less than 30% are what i'd consider proficient with their sidearm. That is a big no shit. I shoot with a few of the local PD guys and it is scary how bad some of them shoot. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:28:15 PM EDT
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Why do so many people get butthurt over American police having suppressors/ballistic shields/camo uniforms/cargo pockets?
I dont. Its the attitude, not the gear. My personal experience with the State Police has always been professional and i trust them more then any other local cops. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:41:32 PM EDT
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I hate to break this to you... but the militia died well over a hundred years ago. No... Not really. Who is the militia? "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." That means that anyone who meets the above stated requirements, and is NOT in the National Guard/Naval Militia, and is not excepted in the next paragraph, IS in the unorganized militia. So .... Who isn't the militia? "(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty: (1) The Vice President. (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty. (4) Customhouse clerks. (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail. (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States. (7) Pilots on navigable waters. (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States. (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant." If it was the militia in the traditional sense of the word as people here are using it, we'd have regular musters. We'd be organized. We'd have regular drill. There is no modern militia. If the National Guard was the "militia" no one would have to volunteer for it, either. They'd automatically be a member unless exempted. All of the legal means necessary, and the legal obligation to do that, is there. Why isn't anyone being held accountable to that requirement? They register for selective service, ( so they can get their student loans, security clearances, etc), but indignantly profess how won't they be drafted, as that would be equivalent to slavery. The difference between a conscript and a militia member has to do with mission. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:44:15 PM EDT
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dont give a shit what gear they choose to use,Im more concerned with the militarization of their minds
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:46:47 PM EDT
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Military is aimed against foreign enemies. Police are aimed against their own citizenry. Militarized police aimed against their own citizenry is bad juju. I think this. I have a lot of friends in Law Enforcement, from local police to state agencies to even some Alphabet Soup. To a man they agree the job is difficult but if push came to shove they would side with "THE PEOPLE" I hope and pray that is true for most LEO's and Military Personnel if the Balloon Goes Up. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:47:57 PM EDT
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I dunno, I don't. The Michigan National Guard gave the Michigan State Police this really cool MRAP, and, well... Just look at those guys!! They're so cute! (see a recent thread about a standoff in MI, cool stuff).
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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:58:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's essential that the citizenry is as well armed as those who enforce law and order. Those who are the best armed and most capable are not out fighting the police on a daily basis but are out contributing to society. Which is the funny thing I notice about being a soldier in Iraq. Yeah, sure the AK47 is a dangerous tool and is capable of alot of destruction. But I can say, nobody in my Platoon was afraid of some dude with an AK47, because most of them were not disciplined or well trained. In a stand up fight, rifle versus rifle, we still kick their ass. It raises an eyebrow for me when I hear police getting in front of a microphone and talking about "oh noez. Gangland is heavily armed, we are fucked without having M113s, ect ect ect". My cousin owns AK47s and he has friends that own AK47s. They all don't know shit about how to use them tactically or how to even accurately shoot them. They're no more respectable or fearsome of a fighting force than a typical Hajji. the majority of police i have shot with fair about as well behind a gun. i'd wager less than 30% are what i'd consider proficient with their sidearm. Yes, that is true, many of folks in the Police see the sidearm as a tool rather than a lifeline. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:09:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hate to break this to you... but the militia died well over a hundred years ago. No... Not really. Who is the militia? "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." That means that anyone who meets the above stated requirements, and is NOT in the National Guard/Naval Militia, and is not excepted in the next paragraph, IS in the unorganized militia. So .... Who isn't the militia? "(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty: (1) The Vice President. (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty. (4) Customhouse clerks. (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail. (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States. (7) Pilots on navigable waters. (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States. (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant." If it was the militia in the traditional sense of the word as people here are using it, we'd have regular musters. We'd be organized. We'd have regular drill. There is no modern militia. If the National Guard was the "militia" no one would have to volunteer for it, either. They'd automatically be a member unless exempted. All of the legal means necessary, and the legal obligation to do that, is there. Why isn't anyone being held accountable to that requirement? They register for selective service, ( so they can get their student loans, security clearances, etc), but indignantly profess how won't they be drafted, as that would be equivalent to slavery. The difference between a conscript and a militia member has to do with mission. I'm sure that the "...security of a free State..." mission of the second amendment is inclusive of both the conscripted and the trained militia, and also predates anything that Nationwide may have thought his state guard mission was. |
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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:57:44 PM EDT
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Because the rest of the citizenry are denied access to those. ^This, when the police are allowed gear that the people they protect are not, then we "the protected" have become second class citizens. A civilian is a civilian, it doesnt matter if they put a badge on in the morning or greasy overalls one is no more important to society then the other. |
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