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Link Posted: 8/8/2016 4:45:45 PM EDT
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Anyone else had theirs built yet?
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 6:51:23 PM EDT
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I want to see the finished rifle.  I like everything about that version, except the grip.  But yours looks good.
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 6:52:14 PM EDT
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Yes, I'm also waiting for pictures of finished rifles.  
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 7:01:43 PM EDT
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sending mine off this week
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 7:23:09 AM EDT
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I went to the Gun Show in Philly this weekend-  saw a built BM59 on a Springfield receiver (I'm assuming it was a Garand receiver). I looked at it but didn't pick it up and have a good going-over. It was priced at $1459. When I came back to the table an hour later it was gone.
Link Posted: 8/9/2016 9:29:39 AM EDT
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This is built on a Beretta receiver.

Crappy ipad pics.


Link Posted: 8/9/2016 11:43:17 AM EDT
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Why is it always when I'm low on cash...
Link Posted: 8/10/2016 12:11:27 PM EDT
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The stock looks amazing.  Did you buy a new one, or just refinish the one from the kit?


Link Posted: 8/10/2016 12:13:01 PM EDT
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What kind of groupings are you guys getting from these rifles?

Are you shooting with them or, are they just vault queens?


Link Posted: 8/10/2016 11:18:15 PM EDT
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The stock looks amazing.  Did you buy a new one, or just refinish the one from the kit?


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I finished it. When I received my kit I thought the stock was hopeless. I sweated a lot of the old oil and used acetone and chalk to pull any remaining oil out. Then it got 7-8 coats of tung oil. It's not perfect but I like it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2016 7:09:02 PM EDT
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Yes, I'm also waiting for pictures of finished rifles.  


I posted pics of my first Shuff's Parkerizing build upthread, but here are a few of them again:









Shuff's build number two arrived yesterday:









They are absolutely fantastic builds, the parkerizing is superb and the metal all looks like new. I was lucky, too, to get two excellent sets of furniture, the first birch, the second walnut. They finished up very nicely.

I can't recommend Tim Shufflin's work highly enough. He builds these rifles right, and you can trust that they will run right.
Link Posted: 8/11/2016 7:11:59 PM EDT
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I've had one of mine to the range. I sighted it in at 25 yards and was holding a 3 MOA group at 100 yards with ZQI 7.62 NATO ball ammo, which is typically 3 MOA ammo. I was very pleased with the performance of the rifle, and I'm sure I can do better with handloads.
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 5:46:21 PM EDT
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Bumpity bump to see if there are any other finished rifles (besides NukeFromOrbit's lovely offerings)...

Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:27:03 PM EDT
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Soon.
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:31:36 PM EDT
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I should have my BM59 kit tomorrow. I am going to build a BM1.
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:33:38 PM EDT
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The fuck?   They're letting Canadians have em now, too?


Fuck.   How am I supposed to lord it over the frozen Garand cat now?
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:38:52 PM EDT
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James River Armory has BM59 receivers, does anyone have an opinion on these?
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:41:56 PM EDT
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If those are the new production cast steel ones, stay away.
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 8:57:45 PM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 9:07:26 PM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?



Right now, there just aren't many.

Convert a garand receiver or use a new cast steel BM59 receiver are pretty much it.  I guess in theory if you had the receiver from an old imported BM59 sporter that would work, too.   That's pretty unlikely tho, I think.

Link Posted: 8/28/2016 9:12:53 PM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?



Unfortunately, a forged Garand receiver alone is $400+ in the US. And Tim Shufflin's fee to covert a Garand receiver and build a BM59 is about $650.  

So right there it will cost you $1000 plus the cost of your parts kit.

Part of the allure of the BM59 is the forged receiver combined with all that Italian style.  You can't use a cast receiver.  Most cast Garand receivers  are junk.

Look at it this way, if you spend $1400 or so, you will have a magazine fed  308 Garand that will be much better than any Springfield M1A.
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 9:15:56 PM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?

gunbroker

got a receiver for $349
Link Posted: 8/28/2016 9:30:45 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, a forged Garand receiver alone is $400+ in the US. And Tim Shufflin's fee to covert a Garand receiver and build a BM59 is about $650.  

So right there it will cost you $1000 plus the cost of your parts kit.

Part of the allure of the BM59 is the forged receiver combined with all that Italian style.  You can't use a cast receiver.  Most cast Garand receivers  are junk.

Look at it this way, if you spend $1400 or so, you will have a magazine fed  308 Garand that will be much better than any Springfield M1A.
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?



Unfortunately, a forged Garand receiver alone is $400+ in the US. And Tim Shufflin's fee to covert a Garand receiver and build a BM59 is about $650.  

So right there it will cost you $1000 plus the cost of your parts kit.

Part of the allure of the BM59 is the forged receiver combined with all that Italian style.  You can't use a cast receiver.  Most cast Garand receivers  are junk.

Look at it this way, if you spend $1400 or so, you will have a magazine fed  308 Garand that will be much better than any Springfield M1A.



That's the math I keep coming up with.  

Link Posted: 8/28/2016 10:40:09 PM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?


I bought a garand receiver off gunbroker about 2 months ago for like $300
Link Posted: 8/29/2016 7:39:38 AM EDT
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I bought a garand receiver off gunbroker about 2 months ago for like $300
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?


I bought a garand receiver off gunbroker about 2 months ago for like $300

You still have to have it machined.
Link Posted: 8/29/2016 7:42:55 AM EDT
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Nobody knows for sure whether they are good or not as they haven't been released.  JRA has a pretty good track record, but this is a new product.
Link Posted: 8/29/2016 7:44:19 AM EDT
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I really want one of these rifles.  But I don't want to pay $600+ for a receiver.  What are my options?


I bought a garand receiver off gunbroker about 2 months ago for like $300

You still have to have it machined.


Didn't realize he was counting the machining cost in that figure.
Link Posted: 8/29/2016 9:00:49 PM EDT
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Anymore build pictures?
Link Posted: 8/30/2016 8:11:36 PM EDT
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Some pictures of one of mine in the folder stock.












Link Posted: 8/30/2016 9:24:18 PM EDT
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Some pictures of one of mine in the folder stock.

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I really like that rifle.
Link Posted: 8/31/2016 12:26:48 PM EDT
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There will be an article on building the BM59 in issue No. 21 of Firearms News. Gus Norcross got one of the Sarco kits and built it on a Foster receiver. It'll be on newsstands in about three weeks.

Here's an excerpt that talks about the modifications to the original Garands.

1.Extensive milling of the original receiver to accept a box magazine.
2.Opening up the floorplate of the original trigger housing for the magazine, fitting an M14 style magazine catch and installing a winter trigger.
3.Machining the bolt to clear the magazine feed lips.
4.Installation of a new 7.62 NATO barrel, 19.3” in length.
5.A select fire mechanism allowing semi-auto or full auto firing by rotating a selector switch.
6.Modifying the stock to accept the magazine and select fire mechanism.
7.A new gas cylinder and plug.
8.The tri-compensator muzzle device.
9.A stripper clip guide fixed to the receiver bridge for topping off the magazine while it is still in the rifle.
10. A shorter operating rod and spring along with a new full length spring guide.
11. Replacing the original steel butt plate with a rubber pad.
12. Fitting a new bolt stop activated by the magazine.
13. A folding bipod mounted to the gas cylinder.
14. A folding grenade launcher sight mounted to the gas cylinder.


Best,
  David

Link Posted: 8/31/2016 10:45:57 PM EDT
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I didn't find a receiver on their website.  Where did he buy it from?
Link Posted: 9/3/2016 9:51:00 AM EDT
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bumping for pictures.
Link Posted: 9/9/2016 7:38:43 PM EDT
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Tim does excellent work!


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VERY nice.   Who did the engraving on the receiver for you?   Or did he do that for you as well?

I sent mine in a few weeks ago.   Can't wait to get it back.
Link Posted: 9/9/2016 7:55:12 PM EDT
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VERY nice.   Who did the engraving on the receiver for you?   Or did he do that for you as well?

I sent mine in a few weeks ago.   Can't wait to get it back.
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VERY nice.   Who did the engraving on the receiver for you?   Or did he do that for you as well?

I sent mine in a few weeks ago.   Can't wait to get it back.


I used these guys. Cost was 100.00 plus return shipping.
http://www.veritasmachiningllc.com/
Link Posted: 9/10/2016 10:23:28 AM EDT
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Nice

Did you do the furniture or did Tim?
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I didn't touch it. Left is as is.
Link Posted: 9/12/2016 5:45:22 AM EDT
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Where did you get your kit?

Link Posted: 9/12/2016 7:59:38 AM EDT
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I am still waiting for James River Armory Receiver - As I fully expected, when they said should be available in August, I add 2 months for good measure.  As long as its a good receiver I am willing to wait.  Have kit ready to build.
Link Posted: 9/12/2016 3:41:53 PM EDT
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Got mine in this afternoon.   Pretty fast turnaround time!

I'll take a couple of pictures this evening so you can see it pre-refinished wood.    Then take it apart and apply some boiled linseed oil or something to the wood.
Link Posted: 9/14/2016 12:34:43 AM EDT
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I really don't know what to finish the stock with.

I'm kinda torn between going original but with inferior protection using pure tung oil or raw or boiled linseed oil OR using something a bit more modern like Minwax tung oil finish for superior protection and ease of application.

Not really interested in gloss.  Would prefer satin and as much contrast for grain visible as possible.

On the one hand, they didn't have Minwax tung oil finish back when the Eye-talians made them.   Then again, I bet they would have used something like that if it was available.   And anyways, it's got a converted American post-war Garand receiver and new reproduction barrel anyways.   It ain't an original from the get-go.

Naked.  Few smudges from hand oils and such.




Link Posted: 9/14/2016 11:02:59 AM EDT
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Tung, BLO, or Teak oil.  Teak oil looks good, but obviously not what they used.
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That's a nice birch stock set!

The darker, splotchy areas on the stock are soaked-in Cosmoline or oil. Wipe the stock down with acetone, repeating as needed, until they lighten up. Then, go buy some Tom's 1/3 Pine Tar mix, and apply as instructed. The 1/3 Pine Tar mix contains pine tar, boiled linseed oil, and beeswax. It will penetrate the pores in the birch and add some nice color to the grain. Apply two or three coats with a day or two between each, and you'll love the way the stock looks.
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That's a nice birch stock set!

The darker, splotchy areas on the stock are soaked-in Cosmoline or oil. Wipe the stock down with acetone, repeating as needed, until they lighten up. Then, go buy some Tom's 1/3 Pine Tar mix, and apply as instructed. The 1/3 Pine Tar mix contains pine tar, boiled linseed oil, and beeswax. It will penetrate the pores in the birch and add some nice color to the grain. Apply two or three coats with a day or two between each, and you'll love the way the stock looks.
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That's a nice birch stock set!

The darker, splotchy areas on the stock are soaked-in Cosmoline or oil. Wipe the stock down with acetone, repeating as needed, until they lighten up. Then, go buy some Tom's 1/3 Pine Tar mix, and apply as instructed. The 1/3 Pine Tar mix contains pine tar, boiled linseed oil, and beeswax. It will penetrate the pores in the birch and add some nice color to the grain. Apply two or three coats with a day or two between each, and you'll love the way the stock looks.



Pretty sure its walnut, actually.   This is after I scraped the original finish off with a knife blade and spent about a week sanding and steaming.

Here it is originally.  

The dark splotches are from grease/oil in handling.     I shipped the stock with my parts kit to Shuff's parkerizing.   They'll come out with very light sanding.
Link Posted: 9/17/2016 11:45:37 PM EDT
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I'd like to try to replicate NATO 147gr load with ramshot tac and these surplus GD 147 gr I have.   Not sure what's absolutely safe tho, given the Garand op rod issues.

This thread seems to indicate something like 41 or 42 gr of TAC would be a good start load.

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=302244

400 processed cases in the wet tumbler now.   I'll do a few loads and take my chrono out tomorrow and give ya'll some exact data with this gun if that helps.    Mine has the SARCO new production barrel.   Dunno if that makes a difference, but it's supposed to have a gas port drilled something like .078, which I think Tim Shufflin thinks is probably a little too large.   I will probably go with an aftermarket, adjustable gas plug in the near future.

On the stock refinish, doing some test pieces of walnut right now.   Right now it's kind of a tossup between Watco Teak Oil Finish and the Minwax Tung Oil Finish.   I think I like Watco better, honestly.   It's a hair darker than the Minxwax and has a very slight red tint to it.
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This thread seems to indicate something like 41 or 42 gr of TAC would be a good start load.

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=302244

400 processed cases in the wet tumbler now.   I'll do a few loads and take my chrono out tomorrow and give ya'll some exact data with this gun if that helps.    Mine has the SARCO new production barrel.   Dunno if that makes a difference, but it's supposed to have a gas port drilled something like .078, which I think Tim Shufflin thinks is probably a little too large.   I will probably go with an aftermarket, adjustable gas plug in the near future.

On the stock refinish, doing some test pieces of walnut right now.   Right now it's kind of a tossup between Watco Teak Oil Finish and the Minwax Tung Oil Finish.   I think I like Watco better, honestly.   It's a hair darker than the Minxwax and has a very slight red tint to it.
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You aren't building a Garand, you are building a BM-59 - well actually a -61 or -69.  The gas gas system was changed by the Italian to run with Nato 7.62x51.  If your gas port is the right size, you should be fine.
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You aren't building a Garand, you are building a BM-59 - well actually a -61 or -69.  The gas gas system was changed by the Italian to run with Nato 7.62x51.  If your gas port is the right size, you should be fine.
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I'd like to try to replicate NATO 147gr load with ramshot tac and these surplus GD 147 gr I have.   Not sure what's absolutely safe tho, given the Garand op rod issues.

This thread seems to indicate something like 41 or 42 gr of TAC would be a good start load.

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=302244

400 processed cases in the wet tumbler now.   I'll do a few loads and take my chrono out tomorrow and give ya'll some exact data with this gun if that helps.    Mine has the SARCO new production barrel.   Dunno if that makes a difference, but it's supposed to have a gas port drilled something like .078, which I think Tim Shufflin thinks is probably a little too large.   I will probably go with an aftermarket, adjustable gas plug in the near future.

On the stock refinish, doing some test pieces of walnut right now.   Right now it's kind of a tossup between Watco Teak Oil Finish and the Minwax Tung Oil Finish.   I think I like Watco better, honestly.   It's a hair darker than the Minxwax and has a very slight red tint to it.


You aren't building a Garand, you are building a BM-59 - well actually a -61 or -69.  The gas gas system was changed by the Italian to run with Nato 7.62x51.  If your gas port is the right size, you should be fine.


From what I can tell, the gas port probably isn't the right size.

I think what the manufacturer of the sarco barrels might have done was make a reproduction BM59 barrel with the gas port drilled as if it were a 308 Garand.   But the BM59 has a different barrel length and the tri-comp on the end, so it's probably not perfectly the same as far as gas goes.   To be on the safe side, I'll probably get a schuster gas plug for it, make NATO replica loads, then adjust the plug until it will cycle with them.
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Wondering if I should order another kit or get the one I have built?  I don't see Garand receivers being panic items...
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Yeah but there is a finite number of them.  I actually am curious if one can be built on a CMP drill rifle.  I'm 99% positive I read a post by Tim Shuffin on his website saying he could.  Better than destroying a good receiver.  I'm going to contact him when I get time to talk about that idea
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