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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:25:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Look at the bright side--you will get an automatic invitation to the National Convention. I believe it's held in a room at the Motel 8 in downtown Cincinatti. I hope you and your dozen political allies have a wonderful time figuring out how to make the party more relevant than gnat spit in the ocean. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:26:18 PM EDT
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I don't see a third party candidate doing any better than Perot did. The fear of dividing the vote will keep most people in their current rut. I've often thought that a "none of the above" option on the ballot would be more effective. If "none" wins, chuck the candidates and start over. It'd raise holy hell in DC for sure, and might just provide the two parties a little incentive to run decent candidates (if available), and pay a little mind to their constituency.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:29:38 PM EDT
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drjarhead, so now that I missed "a lot of points" this would be the part where you tell me what they were. Or was that just the way you bash someone who votes Democrat without having to debate? Or maybe both?
The reason why I questioned your "Vote Third Party" idea is because I thought you were suggesting I vote in a random third party to teach the two major parties a lesson. I take it that's not what you meant. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:30:21 PM EDT
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I could hold my nose and vote Republican again but as a law abiding citizen I don't want to be supporting what is by their own definition criminal activity. Doing so would make me a criminal too.
Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both." Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A): A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:31:05 PM EDT
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I'm not giving another penney until they get hardcore on illegal immigration.
There is no viable alternative to the Republican Party, though. 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:31:17 PM EDT
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Are you just saying that or are you really rerady to have some fat cop slap the cuffs on you and haul you to jail... There is a lot of "sayin'" going on here but I seriously doubt the "say'ers" here would be thrilled with the outcome of all of it.. which would be a Democrat controlled house, senate and whitehouse... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:31:50 PM EDT
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I am not bashing you at all. Go back and read my posts, I have enough things of value to repsond to and this ain't one of 'em. Seriously. No offense and it has nothing to do with you voting socialist. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:31:56 PM EDT
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Please allow me to adjust my Tin-Foil hat , so some others can pick up on my frequency , but IMO , the criminal Communist news media mafia , is beating the "anti-Bush" drumb on a constant basis , ( true the Republicans are Fing up here & there) : on AOL "news page" it is Fuk-with Bush & republicans constantly, now they run "polls" that say "Bush has lowest popularity in history" - after they run constant negative storys ( no SHT) , they are setting up a 3rd party "spoiler" ( aka Ross Perot type) to give Hillary , or another Communist the election , and then suddenly high Gas prices will be the fault of the "free market" , not the Bush adm. , the enviorment will be "healed" overnight , homeless people will dissappear off the face of the earth , global warming will reverse itself , Hurricanes that hit "minority areas" will again be unfortunate acts of mother natuer , ect. ect. ect. , i will drink Republican Kool-Aid , because i live in Chicago ( see controlled by Dummycraps) , and if the commies take over , you guys who live in "red states" will be no better off than me , here with my FOID card
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:32:58 PM EDT
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I'd rather do the right thing and be insignificant then sell out my country and feel important. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:33:31 PM EDT
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I hold dual citizenship. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:33:54 PM EDT
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Sorry, I didn't edit fast enough to beat your reading of my post. I added the following: The reason why I questioned your "Vote Third Party" idea is because I thought you were suggesting I vote in a random third party to teach the two major parties a lesson. I take it that's not what you meant. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:33:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Not yet.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:35:07 PM EDT
[#13]
NO......the Republican Party has rejected YOU......and rejected ME........and our Conservative Values. So let us reject the Republican Party!!! |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:35:27 PM EDT
[#14]
Correct. 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:36:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Ok, gotcha. We're good here. Do proceed, everyone.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:39:00 PM EDT
[#16]
there has been chatter within the LP about changing the platform and recognizing that there is indeed a constitutional mandate to secure the borders against illegal immigration. if they could only change their platform to take a hard line against illegals, and stop ranting tinfoil garbage about "the coming draft", then i could support them 100%. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:43:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Voting third party is going to get me arrested now? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:47:43 PM EDT
[#18]
one thing you guys need to realize about third parties. you elect a third party pres and unless he has the political abilities of hitler, napolean, jfk, teddy roosevelt, and can literally rule the country through force of will media control and communication with the poplulace, a congress compossed of old school dems and repbulicans will bring the country to a literal standstill..
third party would have to somehow bring in a whole host of third party congressional members, and remember you still have different cycles for the house and senate.. somehow if you can work from the inside of the republican party.. thats the best short term solution .. otherwise you have to start you thrid party at the grass roos and work up. state parties control conventions, control platforms, control who gets nominmated and who gets support for state and congressional elections. want a good idea of the complexity of politicts read theodore rex about teddy roosevelt (who was a polictical genius).... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:49:00 PM EDT
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Looks like the DU'ers are out in force tonight, nice to see you guys finally "outing" yourselves.
There is a solution. Do what I did and join the Republican Party. I'm #2 in my precinct and am going to the state convention in June. Geuss what we do at the state convention? Go ahead, geuss. We author the state party platform! That platform is then submitted and considered with the other platforms of the remaining 49 states to set our national agenda. Wanna see the party change? Set the most conservative state party platform you can author. Bump elbows with other delegates to get them to support your amendments to the platform. Deal with immigration directly with the sharpest and most precise language possible. Sometimes changing the course of the nation means being a little more involved than voting in an election every two years. Oh, and forget all this crap about writing your congressman. Be a man and go to his/her office. Set an appointment and ask for ten minutes...they'll give it to you. Tom Delay was arguably the most powerful man in the House and when he was in his home district, his office time was booked full of appointments with citizens...listening to their gripes. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:50:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Good point(s). That's practically another ballot in the box for changing not just the party system, but the political system entirely. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:53:59 PM EDT
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another interesting study is how hitler came to power with the nazi party (a new ? third party). started at the grass roots level, found issues, manipulated politics to bring about his 'vision'. how long did it take.. before wwII? 10 years. course he had the great depression and the effects of wwI to speed him along... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 5:58:40 PM EDT
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Yes, the LP is looking at several platform changes, borders, UCMJ, etc, all aimed at bringing the platform into strict compliance with the constitution as the LP makes the transition from being a political philosophy debating society to being an organized political party, if all of us who are sympathetic to libertarian philosophy but troubled by a few positions spoke up we'd drown out the extremists who've made the LP less than viable. The GOP can run Ron Paul or lose the presidency, it's really that simple. As for the LP being the worst on borders, I must dispute that. The LP would have nothing to do with the NA union, the Amero, the ponzi schemes/social welfare systems, or any of the other nonsense driving the issue. The current LP immigration position is based on a libertarian world that doesn't exist, it's a result of the nature of the party as a debating society, none of the serious candidates support it, and all libertarian candidates take an oath to preserve the constitution if elected. I wish they'd get on with changing it though because it really makes them look like fools. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:02:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Desperateness Scale (yes, desperateness is a word): 1 - 10; with 1 being not at all desperate and 10 being revo-'friggin'-lution. Let's say that at the time Hitler came to power Germany was: 8 or 9 Times have changed significantly since then so "social and technological inflation" would have to be taken into account, but what do you think the U.S. is at now. What about France? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:03:05 PM EDT
[#24]
i vote the canidate not the party.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:09:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Wow, yeah great idea. Vote for someone that has no chance.
This is how we got eight years of the Clintons.  Vote your conscience, obviously, but remember: Dems want your guns. Block them getting into office with your votes. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:14:40 PM EDT
[#26]
Very good topic and discussions. I myself have become more active in politics because of the current policies of our government. I am constantly writing my congress man and Senator and telling them what I think. I believe that if enough voters speak up and let their representatives know How we feel, We can change the current course of our government. If more people stand up and get involved in the process, that will send the needed message to the Senate, Congress and the White house. The current gang on the hill rely on the public as a whole to stay passive and give up.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:15:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Keep in mind that we had Nixon and Ford as Republican presidents, but then after 4 years we got 8 years of Reagan.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:30:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Some of them do. Some of them don't. And some that do want your guns are just using Gun Control as a "look at me" media ploy to stir up the public and get them to rally behind them on a controversial issue. Entertain me for a second. If a democratic candidate came about that was pro-gun and could guarantee that no anti-gun legislation would pass during his term, how would you feel about the Democratic party then? Or would there still be other issues that would make the Republican party more appealing? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:31:38 PM EDT
[#29]
i was very disappointed in comedy central.
they didn't have any problem showing muhammed in the "Super Best Friends" episode a few years back. facking pussies. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:32:46 PM EDT
[#30]
Entitlements. Not that the Republicans look better on that currently but that is a huge issue at the root of many of this country's problems right now. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:32:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Welcome to the Libertarian party my friend! |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:33:18 PM EDT
[#32]
huh? wrong thread? 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:37:03 PM EDT
[#33]
With the general power-hungry egotistical females running around our country right now, there is a problem with them being in power. They would probably just use their term in office, not to make the life of their fellow females better, but to make the male's lives worse so that the female's lifes seemed better. You ever notice how females never actually try to improve their lives, they just try to pass more shit off onto the males? Not all are like that, but there are too many feminazi's running around in sheeps clothing to be sure.
There could be a female that would be a good leader, not saying that there isn't......but we should wait until the whole "I want all the benefits of being a man, and none of the problems associated with that role." On a lighter note, for me to be happy to vote in 08, which does not seem likely as I will most likely be voting for the least evil candidate, I need someone who is: -Against entitlements -Anti-gun control........militantly -Pro-men/dads rights (divorce/child custody, etc) -Immigration reform (fix the mexico thing so that we don't have 12 million more worthless american wannabies) -Get rid of the "pork" in bills...... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:38:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Ok, if the Donkies and the Elephants are equally bad on that issue, is there... On second thought, nevermind. That's gonna go way off-topic. I'll save that question for another thread. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:40:44 PM EDT
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I'll say - since we're talking fantasy here (the Dems have many more problems than just gun control) - that if, after I researched them and made an informed decision, the Dem candidate was better than the Republican candidate... I would hold my nose and vote for that candidate. I would vote the issue and not the party in that case. It's just that, I'm 34 and have voted in every election I could since I turned 18... and I have not run into that situation once. (I do live in Michigan, that noted bastion of pro-gun Dems that it is... )
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:41:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Ok I'm gonna contribute to the "off-topic-ness" of this thread and say I completely disagree with your analysis of women. I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton and I'm not a fan of power-hungry egotistical people of any gender, but I would have absolutely no problem with a woman being our President or filling any high level government position. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:43:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Same here. Case in point: In Illinois we just had our gubenatorial primary. We had two Democratic candidates, including the incumbent, and five Republican candidates. The incument got in to be on the general ballot, and also the super-liberal RINO Republican candidate. There is an independent candidate running(who stepped up AFTER the primary)-but he is more than likely going to take the African-American vote away from the democratic candidate rather than be someone that is going to stand up for my interests. I don't know what I am going to do if another independent(hopefully a Libertarian) candidate doesn't show up between now and November. Basically then I would have to choose the lesser of three evils. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:45:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Ok, thanks for answering my question, but I just wasted your time and my time. I think it's safe to say that the majority of Republican arfcommers favor the Republicans for more than just gun control, so I guess I already knew the answer to my question. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:46:22 PM EDT
[#39]
I agree assuming the above criteria were met. 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:48:14 PM EDT
[#40]
Indeed, my good man! Stone, brass, steel, titanium...any of those will do. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:54:31 PM EDT
[#41]
I turned 21 in 1972, I have always voted and I have always voted for the lessor of two evils. It won't happen again.
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:00:03 PM EDT
[#42]
So what's your new choice? a) Third Party b) What was the greater of the two evils but is now the lesser c) Nobody d) None of the above |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:02:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:05:35 PM EDT
[#44]
he's one of the handful of guys I would vote for |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:05:45 PM EDT
[#45]
I'm just curious why we can't enact the Free State Project, and once we take control, we can do whatever we like in the borders of that state - full auto, no taxes, etc.
When the .goob comes in with their tanks, we can fight, and that will be manifestly unpopular amongst the 49 remaining sheeple-states, so we'll win. I really like this plan! 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:06:09 PM EDT
[#46]
Sometimes a shock to the system is required. Better the Repub. party gets bitch slapped in 06 than in 08.
But then again maybe the founding fathers should not have quit the monarchy and should have continued to work from within it for change. Sometimes things are just too FUBAR though. I vote FUBAR in 06. Maybe the wake up call will give us something to work with in 08. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:08:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Like I told the other guy, I hold dual citizenship... I can hop on a plane and be out of here tomorrow if I wanted to... |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:10:21 PM EDT
[#48]
what other country? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:11:01 PM EDT
[#49]
In what form do you think the shock will come? Mass protests and civil unrest ala the 60s? |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:15:02 PM EDT
[#50]
All you "net ninjas" - - I challenge you to RUN FOR OFFICE!!
Try it, seriously, RUN FOR OFFICE!!! I doubt that <.0001% if the ARFCOMERS have the balls to put their name on a ballot, to campaign, to run for office - to really put their bullshit-where-their-mouth-is!! I've done it, and can tell you IT AIN'T EASY!!! |
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