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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:56:27 AM EDT
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I have one of these from the late 1800's. http://trapdoorcollector.com/pics_html/Terry1.jpg I like it. But at 200 yards it is like using a mortar. Page two ownage? 
Yep, like shooting slugs. You lob them onto target. 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:57:10 AM EDT
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70:
http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:01:54 AM EDT
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/  http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. 
It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:32:11 AM EDT
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H&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Yes, I am an enabler...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503196471 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=504354253 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503172076 |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:38:08 AM EDT
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I love my trapdoor. Not that heavy, easy to shoot, doesn't kick bad.
It brings a smile to everyone when they shoot it. It's history. Plus, if you shoot 45 70 you really should get into casting and reloading. 45 70 box ammo is expensive! Plus, jackets are hard on the old trapdoor barrels. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:47:29 AM EDT
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I've always wanted a .45-70 as well.. just never found one I liked, that I could afford. Almost got one of the H&R's (?) but found a lot of user comments that the thing doesn't have any weight to it and could be a bear to handle on each shot.. you think AR rounds are expensive? they are really cheap by comparison to the .45-70 That's an interesting comparison. .45-70 is a straight wall cartridge. I've never reloaded it, but I'd guess it's a pretty easy cartridge to reload. The more expensive a given round is, the more value there is per round in reloading that cartridge. Also, you're probably not shooting 100+ rounds of .45-70 in a day by yourself. I've never attempted reloading 5.56 because I shoot it in too high of volume, and I don't have a progressive press. It would take me a couple hours to load a few magazines worth. In comparison, I could probably load 20-40 rounds of .45-70 in half an hour or so and have a nice, satisfying range trip. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:53:37 AM EDT
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H&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. yeah, thats the rifle I was going to get, but have decided I wanted something more heavy. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:58:08 AM EDT
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Yes, I am an enabler...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503196471 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=504354253 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503172076 I've been looking at those, and a bunch of other stuff on Gunbroker, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend $400+ buying a H&R single shot, especially with only low-res internet photos to judge condition of the rifle.
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Posted: 8/30/2015 12:03:38 PM EDT
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I've been looking at those, and a bunch of other stuff on Gunbroker, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend $400+ buying a H&R single shot, especially with only low-res internet photos to judge condition of the rifle.
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Yes, I am an enabler...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503196471 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=504354253 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=503172076 I've been looking at those, and a bunch of other stuff on Gunbroker, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend $400+ buying a H&R single shot, especially with only low-res internet photos to judge condition of the rifle.
The Buffalo Classic was the one I had in mind. I was unaware that Remington made them. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:11:33 PM EDT
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I have a Browning B78 (Highwall) in 6mm. It's a beautiful gun and I definitely prefer it to the Ruger #1. I would love to have one in 45-70.
My real desire is to have a No.4 Enfield converted to that caliber. Similar to the Gibbs conversions. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:19:55 PM EDT
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H&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. I've got a Buffalo Classic. It's a blast! Swapped the OEM rear sight for a proper Williams receiver sight. It gives the BC proper elevation to hit trash cans, old cars and those pesky bufflers way way out there. As a poster said earlier, it's like aiming a mortar.
Mine was bought before Big Green bought H&R/Marlin. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:30:48 PM EDT
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This comes and goes in and out of the background, but I've either never had the right opportunity, enough motivation, or both. A Ruger No. 1 seems like a good choice, and I want to own one in some flavor at some point, but it really seems like just getting lucky finding the right caliber at the right price at the right time. So, with that in mind, I started looking around at what else is out there. I see the modern CVAs and the now discontinued H&Rs, but I think I want something a little more traditional, at least until I can talk myself into a .45-70 can. I've found myself looking at Trapdoors, rolling blocks, and other things, but the one that's starting to catch the center of my attention is the 1885. I knew nothing of these before today, but apparently, the 1885 was the rifle that put John Moses Browning on the map and was the start of his relationship with Winchester. It had an excellent reputation for strength and accuracy, and it was popular with long range shooters in the Creedmoor shooting matches. I've learned this much with just a little time jamming around on the internet, but I'm wondering what knowledge or experience you all have to share. I'm still pretty open minded about what I'll get if I do take the leap in the near future, but I think the Uberti 1885 reproduction might be winning. Here's a really informative right up from the American Rifleman that talks about John Browning, Aldo Uberti, and the 1885: http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2010/8/16/old-school-cool-uberti-s-model-1885-high-wall/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_BAQoVLtIiv always like the ruger NO1 and the remingtion rolling block i say get one if you can |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:49:43 PM EDT
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Plus, if you shoot 45 70 you really should get into casting and reloading. 45 70 box ammo is expensive! Plus, jackets are hard on the old trapdoor barrels. My 405 grain cast reloads cost me just a touch more than CCI Stingers. 50 rounds cost me roughly $7.50. Cheap .45-70 factory ammo is more like $35 for 20. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:52:11 PM EDT
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. My real desire is to have a No.4 Enfield converted to that caliber. Similar to the Gibbs conversions. Gibbs is bringing them back sometime in the next 2 years. I want one too. I'm hearing they will be a new manufacture receiver so it's bittersweet. No ruined original Enfields, pricier end result. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:11:30 AM EDT
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Gibbs is bringing them back sometime in the next 2 years. I want one too. I'm hearing they will be a new manufacture receiver so it's bittersweet. No ruined original Enfields, pricier end result. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. My real desire is to have a No.4 Enfield converted to that caliber. Similar to the Gibbs conversions. Gibbs is bringing them back sometime in the next 2 years. I want one too. I'm hearing they will be a new manufacture receiver so it's bittersweet. No ruined original Enfields, pricier end result. I saw something from SHOT about that, but they acted cagey when I called and asked about them. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:27:47 AM EDT
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There's 3 levels of 45-70 in the reloading manuals.
1. Trapdoor (low) 2. Lever (med) 3. Ruger break action (hurt yourself) I am not quite sure if the lower cost break actions like H&R or Rossi Wizard can handle the Ruger no 1/3 level of pressure. I picked up the wizard since it was cheap and realized that I don't like shooting 45-70 all that much even at lever pressures. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:06:53 AM EDT
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I've owned a Ruger no. 1, a (rather crude) replica Sharps carbine, a Marlin 1895SBL, and a NEF handi rifle, all in .45-70.
The 1895SBL was an early "remlin" and barely functioned. Looked really pretty, but functionally a POS. The no. 1 was pretty, functioned well, was reasonably accurate and all, but just wasn't that much fun to shoot. The replica Sharps looked ok, was a lot of fun to shoot, and was so freakin heavy that it kicked like a 30-30. Which is sort of missing the point of a .45-70gov't. If you want to shoot a cannon, it needs to kick like a cannon (which also tends to prevent the firing of too much expensive ammo in a single range trip. 
The one I still have is the NEF handi rifle. There's something about opening up the action & hearing that *tink* and watching the empty case get launched over my shoulder that just makes me smile. I'd love to have a Browning 1885 rifle (low or high wall, either one  , though.
I saw a youtube video where some gunsmith in ME(?) converted a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 to .45-70gov't. It made an awesome gun. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:14:15 AM EDT
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Google the Sandy Hook Trials of 1879. You will find what you are seeking. I have an 1888 that has the proper rifling to utilize the resulting cartridge from these tests. the 45-70-500. That is one stout round. With the Buffington sight, I have no problems hitting the rams at the local buffalo shoots |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:20:19 AM EDT
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H&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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H&R Handi Rifle, .45-70: http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp Heck, Walmart used to sell them for $200 or so, IIRC. Bass Pro Shops lists them for $309.99: http://www.basspro.com/H&R-1871-HandiRifle-with-Sights-Black/product/10218272/ http://youtu.be/0QZm52eycsQH&R made a variant called the Buffalo Classic that I think would be neat. http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_ultra_buffalo.jpg It's got a Williams peep sight at the rear and a Lyman target sight at the front. The sight picture should be something similar to my CG-63. I'd imagine I could get some pretty good results on paper with a setup like that, and I wouldn't be afraid to bump it around in the woods like I would be with a nice 1885. Unfortunately, Remington ended H&R production in February of this year. I have the target model in 38-55, had to have the throat reamed to use the proper bullets. Wanted to send off to have a 45-70 barrel but Remington shut them down 
Also wanted to get a 25-06 barrel for another frame. 
FRemington & FBHO while I'm at it |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:11:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's 3 levels of 45-70 in the reloading manuals. 1. Trapdoor (low) 2. Lever (med) 3. Ruger break action (hurt yourself) I am not quite sure if the lower cost break actions like H&R or Rossi Wizard can handle the Ruger no 1/3 level of pressure. I picked up the wizard since it was cheap and realized that I don't like shooting 45-70 all that much even at lever pressures. Falling block is one of the strongest actions. Bolt is a strong action, as is a rotary breach (another type of cannon action). Rolling block and break barrel are not that strong of actions. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 4:25:00 PM EDT
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My 405 grain cast reloads cost me just a touch more than CCI Stingers. 50 rounds cost me roughly $7.50. Cheap .45-70 factory ammo is more like $35 for 20. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Plus, if you shoot 45 70 you really should get into casting and reloading. 45 70 box ammo is expensive! Plus, jackets are hard on the old trapdoor barrels. My 405 grain cast reloads cost me just a touch more than CCI Stingers. 50 rounds cost me roughly $7.50. Cheap .45-70 factory ammo is more like $35 for 20. Hell yeah. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 4:27:56 PM EDT
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I have one of these from the late 1800's. http://trapdoorcollector.com/pics_html/Terry1.jpg I like it. But at 200 yards it is like using a mortar. I have a military 1873 trapdoor in very fine condition. Working up loads that are not only "trapdoor safe" but also regulate to the sights using low pressure smokeless powder loads to try and keep it nice and clean proved tricky. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 4:40:24 PM EDT
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I sighted in the H&R that my Dad bought a while back. Recoil wasn't terrible-awful, about like shooting a 2.75" 12 ga slug out of a pump, but it was difficult to hang onto the foreend while sitting at a bench.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:19:07 PM EDT
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. My real desire is to have a No.4 Enfield converted to that caliber. Similar to the Gibbs conversions. Gibbs is bringing them back sometime in the next 2 years. I want one too. I'm hearing they will be a new manufacture receiver so it's bittersweet. No ruined original Enfields, pricier end result. I saw something from SHOT about that, but they acted cagey when I called and asked about them. I heard a rumor here, and emailed Gibbs. Direct from them, I was told yes they're planning on bringing them back but it looks to be a year or two in the future. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:22:18 PM EDT
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Plus, if you shoot 45 70 you really should get into casting and reloading. 45 70 box ammo is expensive! Plus, jackets are hard on the old trapdoor barrels. My 405 grain cast reloads cost me just a touch more than CCI Stingers. 50 rounds cost me roughly $7.50. Cheap .45-70 factory ammo is more like $35 for 20. Hell yeah. Already had all the equipment but a mold(been casting .45 and 9MM for myself and a friend. He bought the tools and I built up a few hundred pounds of mostly wheelweight ingots. Bought 2 boxes of Ultramax when I bought the barrel to "ease" my way into the caliber. Savings from the first time I reloaded 20 of those cases paid for the mold. Picked up 40 more cases on the EE, that should be almost a lifetime supply for that gun. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:45:26 PM EDT
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. My real desire is to have a No.4 Enfield converted to that caliber. Similar to the Gibbs conversions. Gibbs is bringing them back sometime in the next 2 years. I want one too. I'm hearing they will be a new manufacture receiver so it's bittersweet. No ruined original Enfields, pricier end result. I saw something from SHOT about that, but they acted cagey when I called and asked about them. I heard a rumor here, and emailed Gibbs. Direct from them, I was told yes they're planning on bringing them back but it looks to be a year or two in the future. Glad to hear that! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:16:40 PM EDT
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Other little different option. Rossi makes a 1892 in 454 casull. That has a tad more energy than 45/70 government (level 1), in a pretty light little trapper package. Remove the 1" recoil pad and it will make you nice and blue like the real buffalo guns. Understand that it is taking an action designed to shoot 12k psi ammo, and shooting 65k psi ammo with it (the falling block lock of the 1892 is based off the 1886 which was chambered in 45/70 - the 86 is a fun gun too).
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:28:23 PM EDT
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I had a 45-70 Contender one time, boy what a tank.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:44:48 PM EDT
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Somewhere at home I have a 45/70 Competitor. Rotary breach single shot pistol. It will handle level III loads - no way in hell my wrist can though.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 4:59:06 PM EDT
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Somewhere at home I have a 45/70 Competitor. Rotary breach single shot pistol. It will handle level III loads - no way in hell my wrist can though. Never heard of that one before. After googling it looks like the old Magnum Research Lone Eagle. Same gun, new name? |
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