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Posted: 4/3/2006 8:29:53 AM EDT

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I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.

Of course you do, just like everyone else on the internet.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:32:12 AM EDT

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I believe the bit on how socialism/communism is a good thing step by step is what scares me the most.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:33:09 AM EDT

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Remember it's global warming that causes the polar caps to melt that then somehow is responisble for the Ice Age.

Freon did this.

I thought it was CFCs.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:33:38 AM EDT

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I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.

Of course you do, just like everyone else on the internet.

That's funny, I'm on the internet and I get bupkis.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:37:49 AM EDT

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Back in the 80s, we still knew that we knew that the speed of light is constant in all places and at all times. Now we don't know whether we know that or not.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:39:08 AM EDT

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When you realize the meaning of "nice" in it's original Old French was "ignorant" and in Middle English meant "foolish" you have to utterly stunned to see that today it means one of the following.

Pleasing and agreeable in nature: had a nice time.
Having a pleasant or attractive appearance: a nice dress; a nice face.
Exhibiting courtesy and politeness: a nice gesture.
Of good character and reputation; respectable.
Overdelicate or fastidious; fussy.
Showing or requiring great precision or sensitive discernment; subtle: a nice distinction; a nice sense of style.
Done with delicacy and skill: a nice bit of craft.
Used as an intensive with and: nice and warm.

If you can change a word's meaning 180º, you can pretty much get away with lesser subtleties with impunity.

The theory on geology as late as the mid 18th Century was that all rock was sedimentary. Some ivory tower type in Germany thought that up without doing any real field research.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:40:32 AM EDT

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I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.

Of course you do, just like everyone else on the internet.

That's funny, I'm on the internet and I get bupkis.

Really?

I'm having sex with the Bush twins right now!!

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:49:08 AM EDT

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I know what you mean.
In 4th grade (Mid-90s) .

This explains so much more than you can understand.

OH TEH NOES!!!!11!!
A COLLEGE STUDENT POSTS ON TEH INTERNET!!11

Fuckin' spare me.

When I was a college student, about 10 years before you were born, I was not wasting my time posting on the internet. There was no internet and computers were the pervue of geeks and eggheads. I was busy doing things and screwing everything with tits ( pre aids ). The very young however lack the experience to know how much they actually don't yet know.

Welcome to the 21st century, where the internet is used by everyone.
I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.
I know enough to know that Vicky Weaver's death was a great wrong. Looks like I know more than you do.

The luxury of moralizing from the Ivory tower without ever having actually been shot at. A tragedy it was, but not the cold blooded lets burn them all out storm trooper fantasy that has been perpetuated on the net. Life teaches one that there is such a thing as oops. Its never a good thing and never planned on. You will also learn that there is no such thing in a dynamic world as being prepared for all contingencies.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:50:54 AM EDT

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I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.

Of course you do, just like everyone else on the internet.

That's funny, I'm on the internet and I get bupkis.

Really?

I'm having sex with the Bush twins right now!!

I've got to get one of those .edu accounts.

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:53:42 AM EDT

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I do plenty of things, and I get more than my fair share of ass. It's called the weekend.

Of course you do, just like everyone else on the internet.

That's funny, I'm on the internet and I get bupkis.

Really?

I'm having sex with the Bush twins right now!!

Really? Because, I'm chatting with your wife!

Posted: 4/3/2006 8:54:32 AM EDT

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I know what you mean.
In 4th grade (Mid-90s)

I'm geting old if we have posters who were in the 4th grade 10 years ago.
The internet isn't much older than you.

Actually the internet is older than what you think, around the 50's is when it really was started check out ARPA.

You must be refering to the "internet" that Al Gore gave us

Posted: 4/3/2006 9:09:24 AM EDT

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I Was There When The History Books Were Changed...

"We will soon have a paperless society/economy."

Yep. "By the year 2000 we will operate almost solely without paper. We will also be on the 4 day work week because automation will have taken over so much of the work currently done by humans."

While there is a lot more automation I personally have never been on a 4 day work week and neither is anyone I know. As for paperless...psssshaw.

I remember that paperless nonsence, I process more paperwork today than EVER.

Caught a few minutes of one of the sunday nite news shows about the average work week now being 65 to 75 hours, I am 51 and remember reading my fathers era avg'd 35 to 45 a week,,
My being in the Hospitality industry for the last 20 years, 70 to 80 being the norm all this time, snicker a bit when I hear someone biotching about a 50 hr week..

Posted: 4/3/2006 9:22:34 AM EDT

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...but by their times ship building hadn't recovered to the Roman level of sophistication, and the western ocean was assumed to be too big to cross..,

I wasn't aware the the Romans had particularly good technology for open-ocean ships. My impression is that roman ships were mostly for coastal waters, and for short hops across straits. I don't think they would have fared well in the North Atlantic at all. I believe some of the first ships really designed for sailing the open ocean may have been the Viking ones, much later.

I agree with pretty much everything else you are saying, but I'm not so sure about the roman ship building technology.

Crap, there goes DK-Prof with his Dano-centric theory of history again. Next thing you know, he'll tell us Vikings built the pyramids.

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:15:36 PM EDT

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I remember when gay used to mean happy.

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:21:15 PM EDT

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......We also learned about the morbid travels of the remains of the Goebbles children. We already knew what kind of pieces of shit those poor kids had.

What's all this about? I thought they were simply poisoned and then burned?

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:27:30 PM EDT

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I know what you mean.
In 4th grade (Mid-90s) .

This explains so much more than you can understand.

OH TEH NOES!!!!11!!
A COLLEGE STUDENT POSTS ON TEH INTERNET!!11

Fuckin' spare me.

When I was a college student, about 10 years before you were born, I was not wasting my time posting on the internet. There was no internet and computers were the pervue of geeks and eggheads. I was busy doing things and screwing everything with tits ( pre aids ). The very young however lack the experience to know how much they actually don't yet know.

And your not wasting your time posting on the internet now? Sorry bud but your sorta pulling a double standard constidering you almost have 10000 posts.

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:31:39 PM EDT

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...but by their times ship building hadn't recovered to the Roman level of sophistication, and the western ocean was assumed to be too big to cross..,

I wasn't aware the the Romans had particularly good technology for open-ocean ships. My impression is that roman ships were mostly for coastal waters, and for short hops across straits. I don't think they would have fared well in the North Atlantic at all. I believe some of the first ships really designed for sailing the open ocean may have been the Viking ones, much later.

I agree with pretty much everything else you are saying, but I'm not so sure about the roman ship building technology.

Crap, there goes DK-Prof with his Dano-centric theory of history again. Next thing you know, he'll tell us Vikings built the pyramids.

The Vikings also invented the internet and the semicolon, but the latter was really half-assed.

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:31:40 PM EDT

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Coming ice age
Nuclear powered cars and planes
Space vacations
Fully enclosed and self sufficient cities
Hydroponic farms
Star trek type communicators (oops, that one did come true)
Genetically modified super humans
End of world hunger and disease
Undersea cities
shorter work weeks, maybe 20 hours or so
Robots and pseudo robots (rhoomba is as close as they have got now)
Electric cars that were as good or better than gas cars
Self guiding mass transit, I.E. no driver, it follows its own route with digital precision
.gov surveillance of the general population to ensure peace and tranquility (well, we have the surveillance but ain't got the peace)
Speaking of peace, all races working hand in hand for a brighter world future.
Clothes that never needed washing, they just shed dirt.
Bionics
cybernetic communication
3d TV
etc.....

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:34:29 PM EDT

[#19]

Tag for home so I can read through and relive all the unwashed bullshit I've had to unlearn over the years.

Posted: 4/3/2006 1:49:44 PM EDT

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I remember when gay used to mean happy.

...and AID's was a diet plan.

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:12:47 PM EDT

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...but by their times ship building hadn't recovered to the Roman level of sophistication, and the western ocean was assumed to be too big to cross..,

I wasn't aware the the Romans had particularly good technology for open-ocean ships. My impression is that roman ships were mostly for coastal waters, and for short hops across straits. I don't think they would have fared well in the North Atlantic at all. I believe some of the first ships really designed for sailing the open ocean may have been the Viking ones, much later.

I agree with pretty much everything else you are saying, but I'm not so sure about the roman ship building technology.

Crap, there goes DK-Prof with his Dano-centric theory of history again. Next thing you know, he'll tell us Vikings built the pyramids.

The Vikings also invented the internet and the semicolon, but the latter was really half-assed.

Al Gore was a Viking? Wow...

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:20:00 PM EDT

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well apparetly we were supposed to be on the metric system "in the near future"

been hearing that one for years.

I know. I hate teaching both systems. I tell the kids we have been switching over for the last 30 years. The metric system is a lot easier.

No it isn't! The metric system is retarded in a lot of ways.

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:26:16 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:27:18 PM EDT

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There are 1000 year climatic cycles. It was significantly warmer circa 1000 AD that allowed Leif Ericson's Greenland colony to sustain itself off of wheat that it grew there. The droughts of this time period helped bring down the Toltecs and Mayans.

The circa 1 AD time period was warmer with Julius Caesar writing of red grapes being taken in England. Paul wrote in his First Letter to Corinthians about taking up a collection to help feed the brothers in Israel due to the ongoing drought.

www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/GG/swgqz.html

Expansion of the polar ice caps during the latest Cenozoic produced the great Ice Age in North America, during which, for more than two million years, thick sheets of glacial ice successively advanced and retreated. Although the continental glaciers never reached as far south as Texas, the state's climate and sea level underwent major changes during each period of glacial advance and retreat. Sea level during glacial advances was 300 to 450 feet lower than during the warmer interglacial periods because so much sea water was contained in the ice sheets. The climate was both more humid and cooler than that of today, and the largest Texas rivers carried more water and sediment to the Gulf of Mexico than they do today. These deposits underlie the outer fifty miles or more of the Gulf Coastal Plain. Approximately 3,000 years ago, sea level reached its modern position, and the coastal features that are present today, such as the deltas, lagoons, beaches, and barrier islands, have formed since that time.

All this done without the evil industry of the US.
All this reversed without the salvation of the Kyoto Accords.

wganz
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Posted: 4/3/2006 2:30:07 PM EDT

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I know what you mean.
In 4th grade (Mid-90s) we were talking about the War Between the States.
Teacher said it was fought to free the slaves - I said "thats not so, it was fought to preserve the Union. Lincoln stated at his inaguration that he had no intention of freeing the slaves."

Teacher was mad.
Parents were called.
School wanted to know "who was putting those ideas in his head."
Parents pulled me out of public school.

I look forward to getting those calls. I have done some de-programming with my kids but I need to do more. I wish I could put kids in private school but the $ just isn't there.

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:31:46 PM EDT

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Brace yourself, The world is round

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:32:18 PM EDT

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I remember when gay used to mean happy.

...and AID's was a diet plan.

Little cubes of a chocolate like substance.

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:46:46 PM EDT

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They have yet to ammend the books but the Verona files revealed that McCarthy was right.

Don't hold your breath.

Posted: 4/3/2006 2:52:37 PM EDT

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...but by their times ship building hadn't recovered to the Roman level of sophistication, and the western ocean was assumed to be too big to cross..,

I wasn't aware the the Romans had particularly good technology for open-ocean ships. My impression is that roman ships were mostly for coastal waters, and for short hops across straits. I don't think they would have fared well in the North Atlantic at all. I believe some of the first ships really designed for sailing the open ocean may have been the Viking ones, much later.

I agree with pretty much everything else you are saying, but I'm not so sure about the roman ship building technology.

[can of worms]

C'mon, if Noah could build a ship that survived 40 days on rough open seas, surely anybody who could read the instructions in the Bible could have done the same

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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:09:20 PM EDT

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I Was There When The History Books Were Changed...

"We will soon have a paperless society/economy."

Yep. "By the year 2000 we will operate almost solely without paper. We will also be on the 4 day work week because automation will have taken over so much of the work currently done by humans."

While there is a lot more automation I personally have never been on a 4 day work week and neither is anyone I know. As for paperless...psssshaw.

Paperless in my profession (contracting) means that the paper copy will also have an electronic backup. So now it takes 6 hours to do what used to take 4.

Posted: 4/3/2006 3:14:02 PM EDT

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paperless my ass.... everybody at work emails each other THEN prints out a copy of each email for the file

Posted: 4/3/2006 3:20:34 PM EDT

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Coming ice age

Yup - ahh, the '70s.

Nuclear powered cars and planes

Obviously thought up by folks that hadn't counted on the influence of the libs

Space vacations

Remember the big spinning wheel thingies?

Fully enclosed and self sufficient cities
Hydroponic farms

Why is your post reminding me of Epcot center?

Star trek type communicators (oops, that one did come true)

Captain Kirk only wishes he could have taken pictures with his.

Genetically modified super humans

End of world hunger and disease

Ironically, the far right has limited genetic research, while the Euro-left has limited and tries to squash all genetic crop improvements.

Undersea cities

That, and the self-sustaining city crap - obviously the fantasy of morons with no concept that economics drive reality.

shorter work weeks, maybe 20 hours or so

See above, same hippy dumbass - and lazy at that.

Robots and pseudo robots (rhoomba is as close as they have got now)
Electric cars that were as good or better than gas cars
Self guiding mass transit, I.E. no driver, it follows its own route with digital precision
.gov surveillance of the general population to ensure peace and tranquility (well, we have the surveillance but ain't got the peace)

Wow, a lot of this "future" crap was clearly thought of by people with no sense of independence.

Speaking of peace, all races working hand in hand for a brighter world future.

That wouldn't keep folks like Cynthia McKinney in office, or Jesse Jackson rich, now would it?

Clothes that never needed washing, they just shed dirt.

You mean, I'm supposed to wash these things? THat might explain the smell.

Bionics
cybernetic communication
3d TV
etc.....

But - we have Viagra, the world wide web, Dolby Digital / DTS, and even the Segway - so I guess we can call it even

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Posted: 4/3/2006 3:22:55 PM EDT

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paperless my ass.... everybody at work emails each other THEN prints out a copy of each email for the file

Can't blame 'em either - I;ve had one too many .pst files get corrupted and unaccesible.

Funny, it used to take effort to generate paperwork, now everybody has a "paperwork generating machine" on their desk or very close to it.

Posted: 4/3/2006 3:50:07 PM EDT

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A couple of weeks ago the WSJ had an article about how scientists figured out that the assumptions they held about the molecular structure of water were all wrong and they have to actually study it now.

Posted: 4/3/2006 3:54:37 PM EDT

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......We also learned about the morbid travels of the remains of the Goebbles children. We already knew what kind of pieces of shit those poor kids had.

What's all this about? I thought they were simply poisoned and then burned?

The remains were put in the custody of a USSR unit and everytime the unit was relocated the remains were exumed and moved as well.

Posted: 4/3/2006 3:57:36 PM EDT

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hmmmm,

maybe this internet thingy really was created by that Gore fella

Posted: 4/3/2006 4:05:01 PM EDT

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My other favorite major change story, that was before my time.

Old: The MiG-25 is the greatest fighter ever created. Fast, turns tight, carries a lot. It will kill us all.

New (after a guy defects): Hey wait. This thing's a piece of crap. If you turn the wings fall off.

In the late '70s, we were subjected to numerous reel-to-reel films of the Amazon Jungle deforestation tragedy that would destroy the earth in twenty years.

Or films of whaling ships harpooning helpless whales by the hundreds and whales would be extinct by 1990.

Or films of what everything will be like when the inevitable ice age hits us.

Posted: 4/3/2006 4:12:41 PM EDT

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paperless my ass.... everybody at work emails each other THEN prints out a copy of each email for the file

We'll have a paperless office about the same time we'll have a paperless bathroom.

Three clams anyone??

wganz
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Posted: 4/3/2006 4:14:49 PM EDT

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Remember when Killer Bees were gonna kill us all by the 1980s.

No, but I remember that they would kill us all by 1999.

Posted: 4/3/2006 4:17:57 PM EDT

[#40]

Eratosthenes knew that the world was not flat, and even solved for the circumference of it somewhere around 200 BC.

Posted: 4/3/2006 4:23:45 PM EDT

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Eratosthenes knew that the world was not flat, and even solved for the circumference of it somewhere around 200 BC.

We know that now, but he was a hellenistic Greek living in Egypt - most classical and hellenistic knowledge was lost to western civilization in the "dark" ages.

The question then becomes, who knew about his calculation and when - and how much credence was it given at the time? I think it is save to assume Columbus himself was either unaware Eratosthenes's calculation, or unwilling to believe it.

Posted: 4/3/2006 4:25:48 PM EDT

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probably only pertains to kids who grew up in Texas, but I remember my textbook stating as fact that Travis drew a line at the Alamo. seems to be regarded as urban legend nowadays.

Posted: 4/3/2006 6:10:58 PM EDT

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probably only pertains to kids who grew up in Texas, but I remember my textbook stating as fact that Travis drew a line at the Alamo. seems to be regarded as urban legend nowadays.

If you ask me, history should contain a little legend.
Gives people something to aspire to.

Posted: 4/3/2006 6:18:42 PM EDT

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"In ten years, the oceans will be completely dead." - Ted Danson, 1991

Still look pretty alive to me, 15 years later, ASSHOLE!

Posted: 4/3/2006 6:49:01 PM EDT

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Remember when eggs were little homocidal orbs that would destroy mankind with their toxic cholesterol? I always wondered why they had failed so miserably for thousands of years. Made me wonder if the doomsayers expected eggkind to learn from their mistakes and suddenly figure out how to kill us.

Like this magical mutation of bird flu that's supposed to happen in a few minutes . . .

Posted: 4/3/2006 7:02:22 PM EDT

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Bionics
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There is that kid in Boston who's paralyzed and can control a mouse and computer with connections to his mind. He hopes that the research they're doing on him will either allow them to fix the nerve connections in his neck or perhaps some sort of Ghost in the Shell solution.

Posted: 4/3/2006 7:11:51 PM EDT

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probably only pertains to kids who grew up in Texas, but I remember my textbook stating as fact that Travis drew a line at the Alamo. seems to be regarded as urban legend nowadays.

If you ask me, history should contain a little legend.
Gives people something to aspire to.

It certainly made it a little more colorful, not that the Texian Independence needed it.

Posted: 4/3/2006 7:13:08 PM EDT

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Eratosthenes knew that the world was not flat, and even solved for the circumference of it somewhere around 200 BC.

We know that now, but he was a hellenistic Greek living in Egypt - most classical and hellenistic knowledge was lost to western civilization in the "dark" ages.

The question then becomes, who knew about his calculation and when - and how much credence was it given at the time? I think it is save to assume Columbus himself was either unaware Eratosthenes's calculation, or unwilling to believe it.

Thank you.

And that is what was so bad about the "dark ages" was the suppression of knowledge and loss of knowledge. Religious centers became the ONLY places of learning and anything deemed "heressey" was at risk.

Posted: 4/3/2006 7:20:32 PM EDT

[#49]

I was there when our school's math books were changed...

The books had the WTC towers on the cover and, after 9/11, later editions had another tower.

Posted: 4/3/2006 7:22:36 PM EDT

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...but by their times ship building hadn't recovered to the Roman level of sophistication, and the western ocean was assumed to be too big to cross..,

I wasn't aware the the Romans had particularly good technology for open-ocean ships. My impression is that roman ships were mostly for coastal waters, and for short hops across straits. I don't think they would have fared well in the North Atlantic at all. I believe some of the first ships really designed for sailing the open ocean may have been the Viking ones, much later.

I agree with pretty much everything else you are saying, but I'm not so sure about the roman ship building technology.

Crap, there goes DK-Prof with his Dano-centric theory of history again. Next thing you know, he'll tell us Vikings built the pyramids.

The Vikings also invented the internet and the semicolon, but the latter was really half-assed.

that was bad....

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