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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:00:06 AM EDT
[#1]
In that case, F#C% off and die. The damn unions and democRATS all assume everyone is too stupid to take care of themselves anyhow. I'm a hunter, shooter, 2 amend. supporter. I own some guns strictly to hunt with. I own some guns strictly to target shoot with. I own some guns strictly to protect my family with. Get rid of the unions and we'd be better off. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:00:08 AM EDT
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A sad fact it is......
I am a hunter, I also have a my CWL and have and shoot ARs, as well as my C&R License... I run into that You dont need that attitude all the time. I have had guys I work with tell me that the AWB going away was the worse thing for this country, and yes, these are deer hunters.... At times I want to distance myself from the sport of hunting, it aint what it used to be, now it is all about money, thats it, it is commercial... When I was younger, if you wanted to hunt, you just walked up to the house, knocked on the dorr, and asked permission form the land owner to hunt, I was never, not once turned away with a NO. These days, you can just about forget it, most of the time all you will get is a NO. then people bitch about deer on the highway.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:04:57 AM EDT
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Is that how you treat all of your friends? (He was making your same point.) 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:08:33 AM EDT
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Before I joined the AF, I was a union member. I remember getting into a conversation with a coworker. I told him why I almost always vote Republican. All of a sudden he went from a calm demeanor to a firey eyed deamon from hell who wanted to beat the shit out of me. How dare I oppose the union's endorsements!
The union had seriously brainwashed this dude. He could not think for himself politically, and his deameanor proved it. The Democratic party is losing touch with the ordinary American, as it has gone WAY to far left. The Republican party is the party of the decent hard working, independant minded American. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:10:02 AM EDT
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No, he wasn't. Tim |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:10:10 AM EDT
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 This picture says it all. I know any Dem would piss thier pants if they saw me drive 10rnds in a 1/2in group at 50yds with powderless ammo that sounds like a bb gun. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:12:44 AM EDT
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They didn't have to brainwash him, anyone who willingly joins or supports a union is obviously incapable of rational thought. Tim |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:15:50 AM EDT
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Fixed it for you 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:17:42 AM EDT
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... Actually, there are a few things you can do to reverse the "hunter's curse". Primarily, get them interested in AR15's and black rifles in general. They'll begin to see the light once they realized there is little difference between their Remington model 7400 chambered in .308 versus the M14 chambered in .308 sitting side-by-side in their safe.
... I've gotten several friends into "black rifles" in the past few years. The more of our friends that own AR15's the better. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:32:02 AM EDT
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Can you justify that statement? ETA: I'm voting for Bush, is that irrational? I support the 2nd Amendment, is that irrational? I believe in freedom of speech, again, is that irrational? Is it irrational to support the constitution and all of the amendments? According to you, it is. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 11:06:52 AM EDT
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I make that statement because the union leaders have absolutely NO interest in their members well-being.
I guarantee that when you walk a picket line, drawing stike pay, THEY are still getting their full paycheck AND collecting your dues. Unions once had a purpose, but they have long since outlived their usefulness. Tim |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 11:42:11 AM EDT
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I agree with you on the point that unions have greatly strayed from their original purpose. I believe, however, that a regression to the original platforms is necessary - and by necessary I mean that it would be viable in all places of employment. Because once the guarantee is out the door, you only have OSHA to protect you. And having big government; any government overseeing private entities is a step back from freedom. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:50:45 PM EDT
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Any hunter that votes for Kerry has been taken as a fool. That man has voted for every gun grabbing, ammo grabbing bill that has came along. He will not stop at so called assault rifles at all. These people have an agenda and it is not private ownership of firearms. I am a hunter. I have been hunting all of my life. It will snow in hell before I vote for that man.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:52:39 PM EDT
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1 shot come up to Kansas. I know several places where you can hunt.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:55:40 PM EDT
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Hmmm... Not around here. 1. We have a no-strike-clause in our contract. We can not strike. 2. There are so many illegals here - they scrape up all the small jobs at WAY below the going rate. Things have tumbled downhill so fast around here... 3. There is one open shop around here that can just barely keep up with us in terms installation of high tech components. Many times, open shops will sub-out the high-tech portion of their job to us. No kidding.
Better check the mirror regarding a rational thought process. Around here, the Union is incredibly safer than most open shops. You really wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen... I'm considering leaving the Union for my own reasons - I'll lay it all on the table the day I resign. I'm in semi-negeotiations with two open shops now. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:56:32 PM EDT
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I am not a hunter but I am a gun owner.
They will never get my guns while I am still alive - and believe me, if they want to come and get them, there will be quite a few going with me. Any gun owner who votes for JOhnKERry is betraying not only America, but themselves. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 12:58:14 PM EDT
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Ever sat across the negotiation table, and had a $400/hr silk tied lawyer working for your employer acknowledge that your pay is substandard, your working conditions and staffing levels were unsafe, and then ask you mockingly "what'cha gonna do?" Ever had your vacation picks "lost", but the supervisors / bosses buddy "miraculously" gets they day you asked for? Ever had management follow one set of rules after insisting that labor follow another? Ever been bumped out of a temporary supervisor position (with pay boost for the duration) because "the contract didn't say (the boss) had to?" I disagree. Unions still have a purpose, as long as there are managers that seek to actively alienate, ridicule and disempower their workforce, as well as knowingly operate under unsafe conditions. Let me mention that I was (very past tense) the former Local president. Unions have a purpose. The purpose of unions on a local level is to work for equal pay and treatment that isn't based on nepotism; better working conditions, and better benefits. On a national level, they endorse candidates that support labor issues. The unions don't give one shit about guns... the NRA doesn't care about the scaffold worker's act, gents. It doesn't have to, unless they're redoing the HQ again, and then it's on the contractor. The NRA is a firearms advocacy group. Unions are labor advocacy groups. It is a very rare politican who is pro-gun and pro-labor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:01:27 PM EDT
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I argued with a democrat yesterday who believes the lie that Kerry is for sportsman.
Sheesh! 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:03:46 PM EDT
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It is always the hunter who blows his foot off with his "empty" gun, or shoots his buddy in the bushes because he might have been a deer. Fucking idiots.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:07:43 PM EDT
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Hunters have been very happy to support the various bans of 'non sporting' guns here in Britain……
Ban on Centrefire semi autos… they were all for that, as were their Associations Ban on Handguns… they were all for that, as were their Associations After all, who needs a magazine fed weapon or handguns for 'sporting' shooting they say! As long as break action shotguns and medium calibre bolt action rifles are left alone they will support the ban of all other weapons here in Britain. Looks like your hunters think the same as ours… Andy |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:08:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Hey lets not start on hunters like that. A good hunter could out shoot you and proably everybody you know. Why? because most likely he has been shooting for his intire life at targets that obly give him a 2 sec chance once. All the BS you see on TV is tame deer in fenced fields. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:10:16 PM EDT
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Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. This is exactly what I was trying to say. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote from one of my (hunting) suppliers:
"No one needs anything besides a 12 gauge pump and a .30-30." |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:41:47 PM EDT
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I'd find a new supplier ASAP. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:43:01 PM EDT
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Why? because he dosn't think the same way as you? |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 1:55:30 PM EDT
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A PR company we do business with was doing some work for a national hunting magazine, and the editor that was there had four Kerry stickers on his car! I talked to the guy for about five minutes while waiting, and he said he would never vote for another Republican since Bush didn't push for a new AWB. Sigh, yet another hunter that doesn't get it.z
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Posted: 10/30/2004 2:12:25 PM EDT
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Some of my hunting friends are the same way. "What you got there with that big 'ole banana clip sticking out, you ain't gonna shoot a deer with that thing" Me- "This thing is a varmint rifle" "That thing doesn't even have a scope, you can't shoot a groundhog with that" Me- "I am not talking about groundhogs" Them- "Oh, man here you go again talking about self defense shooting, all you need is a shotgun. It will blow a man away without even having to aim, there is no need for an AK".
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Posted: 10/30/2004 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quoted:
The union had seriously brainwashed this dude. He could not think for himself ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They didn't have to brainwash him, anyone who willingly joins or supports a union is obviously incapable of rational thought. Tim The state I was in the at the time, had no right to work law. Joinining the union came with the job. I was high school kid at the time. For a high school kid, it was a fairly good paying job. It also provided me a with a bad taste in my mouth of union politics. Thier seemed to be a constant fight between management and labor. The company was a lousy company to work for, and the union was not much better. Later, when I became more politically aware, I did not appreciate the fact that my dues were going to support Democrats. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 2:16:32 PM EDT
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BTW
You CAN hunt deer with an AK47... Just use a five round clip... I have been deer hunting with my M1A (five round mag) and '03 Springfield. I have gone prarie dogging with my AR and a carry handle scope mount! Come to think of it, I do not own one "hunting" rifle. The only thing I have that has a scope on it is my 10/22 heavy bbl target rifle. I borrowed the scope for my AR, so I could go dogging! I have an appreciation for both rapid fire weaponry, and spending a lazy day at the range with a fine bolt action C&R gun! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 2:27:14 PM EDT
[#30]
the hunters around here seem hip to kerry's bullshit. the local trap clubs seem pretty pro-bush and the local gun shops all sport bush signage despite carrying very little in the way of evil weapons.
i shoot smallbore 3-position rifle. now that's about as esoteric a shooting sport as there is. to a man, the gentlemen in the league are bush supporters and bleed replublica blood. i only know of ONE local gun owner that is backing kerry...and that guy does nothing but bitch about how little money he makes (turns down o.t.), bitches about the war in iraq (again, more concerned about the cost of the war than terrorism) and bitches about bush not giving the little guy a tax cut (duh!!!! this guy is clueless...can you tell?!?!). btw, both of this moron's brothers are avid sporting clay shooters (younger brother) and nunters (older brother) and BOTH are voting for george w. bush!!! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 4:08:57 PM EDT
[#31]
I know what you mean, it never happens on the rifle range but sometimes there's a guy in the bushes with a brown coat and no orange vest on. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 4:21:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Yeah. when people tell me that, I point out that in several states the 7.62X39 is illegal because it's too anemic for deer hunting! That makes their jaws drop. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 4:40:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Did you suffer a firearms accident? Perhaps dropped a few too many times as a child? |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 4:55:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:29:37 PM EDT
[#35]
He is absolutely right! The question is, what does NEED have to do with it? Tim |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:32:07 PM EDT
[#36]
Nor their members. Tim |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:48:35 PM EDT
[#37]
I am a union worker. I took the job knowing nothing of unions except great pay. Know I know better now. I hate union polotics. Two guys that I eat with everyday are both union heads. They do admit to not being nuts about Kerry, but say he is better than Bush. The main reasons are outsourcing of jobs (China, most favored nation status, ring a bell?) and the war in Iraq. Although I think they disagree with the war based on the money involved. I spent a year there and that is a topic I stay away from most of the time cause I just get too damn pissed. Within 2 months I joined NRA, GOA and JPFO to counteract my union dues going towards Kerry is a hunter and will protect our second ammendment rights campaigns. About ready to match my union dues or higher with monthly donations to these groups with a letter to the union explaining what and why I am doing. Probably just rambling on here but oh well. I feel the the start of the unions was a good thing, the growth of them a bad thing.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:54:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Your 13 year old wisdom is showing again. Most 'hunters' take their 'deer rifles' out once a year, and maybe, just maybe, they take it to the range to 'sight it in' before they go out and drink beer for 3 days. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:19:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Well said bastiat! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:22:25 PM EDT
[#40]
I hunted with four guys this year. Three years ago, none of them had ARs. Now all but one of them do (the exception is from CA so he is SOL).
Most of the hunters I know in the 14-45 age range have the AR bug. Take them to the range once and they are hooked. In my experience the larger hunting community is an opportunity, ripe for AR infection, rather than a problem. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:30:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Another fucking newbie bashing hunters. Yawn +1
This board is getting to be so full of whining sallies weeping for advice and wanna-be tough-guy hardliners attacking other gun owners lately, its disgusting. Its like watching coyotes attacking and eating one of their own. I am a hunter, and I always vote pro-gun. So fuck you. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:40:20 PM EDT
[#42]
Funny how your post went ignored.  I'm pro-union and will always be. This Repub platform is fucked in my opinion. However...I value the most important amendment above all others...the 2nd...because without it, we have no others. Pro-Union, Pro-gun, Pro-Bush. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:47:38 PM EDT
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Ar-15"s can be hunting rifles. I shoot prarie dogs all the time with my Armalite.There accurate enough to be a varmint rifle.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:52:56 PM EDT
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Maybe we should be careful about painting with such a broad brush? There are plenty of non black rifle types out there that are shooters, hunters, gun owners of other kinds that vote pro gun and pro freedom. Maybe we should be more open minded and the hunter types should do the same. I'm a hunter, grew up a hunter and didn't always have black rifles but always was pro gun rights, anti banning anything. Calling all hunters anti freedom pro kerry idiots is a lot like hunters calling all black rifle owners wanna-be Rambo's with delusions of grandeur. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:55:15 PM EDT
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I think the point was Fox doesn't know shit about what he's talking about. No, not all hunters are pro-kerry idiots. but a large number of them do exactly as was stated about taking their rifle to the range once a year, then sitting in a tree drinking beer for three days. (qualifier: at least around here they do) |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:01:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:03:53 PM EDT
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True, and I'm appalled by those that do so. Unfortunately, gunowners of that ilk (not just hunters) may very well be the biggest threat to our 2nd amendment rights. It's a terrible thing that we can't all pull together on the issue... I know I'm not the only one here who has everything from muzzle-loaders to, well one of these days I'll be able to afford machine guns..lol 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:07:57 PM EDT
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They don't have to do it. A portion of the hunting crowd and clay/trap crowd do it all on their own. They see black rifle owners / concealed carry people as a threat to their gun rights, when it's the black rifle crowd & cc folds that do most of thegrunt work to protect the 2nd. Some will jump when the NRA yells loud enough (uusually when it involves their 'deer' or 'duck' guns) but many will listen to their union heads when they tell them some gun grabber who posed with a shotgun is their best friend. And the comment wasn't about you or any other hunter here. Few 'hunters' actually bother to sign on to a forum like this. Face it, there are likely more hunters in a state like wisconsin than are unique members in the top 20 internet gun boards. Most of them just want to go out in the woods once or twice a year to get a deer or a duck or get away from their wives or shoot the shit with their friends. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:14:27 PM EDT
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i am not being sarchastic here, michigan hunters, working for the big 3, most vote democrat, the union says so, and they do what the union says |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:17:44 PM EDT
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First they came for the AK-47s, but I didnt have an AK-47 so I did nothing.
Then they came for the AR-15s, but I didnt have an AR-15 so I did nothing. Then they came for the deer rifles, and it sure is lonely here on this roof top. |
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