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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:35:24 PM EDT
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Now I realize that just because these radio stations play spanish doesn't necessarily mean they encourage illegal immigration. But it definitely gives them one more reason to not learn our language. I don't mind legal immigration at all, it is what made America what it is today. My problem is companies catering to people that refuse to speak our native language to a point that I can't understand what anyone is saying at a restaurant up the street where I have lived almost all of my life. The management doesn't give a fuck, I have complained. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:37:25 PM EDT
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Every immigrant group that has come to this country has set up media outlets to serve the communication and news needs of first generation immigrants in their own language.. many of those communities still have their own media outlets still performing that task. I am not worried by that. Why is anyone else? I strongly suspect that many of you complainers have never been around sizeable immigrant communities other than the hispanics, and you also have no sense of the trends of immigrant communities in the past, so you freak out at anyone who isn't obviously a WASP. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:38:44 PM EDT
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Arg! He probably isn't racist... He might be ethnocentric though. 
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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:44:42 PM EDT
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Yes it is a "dumb ass" thing to say. Your proximity to mexico justifies marketing to a large Spanish-speaking populace. And not all TV or radio is in Spanish so your logic is flawed. The fact that some illegal aliens understand the language and enjoy the music is secondary. Illegals probably also drink lots of beer, but you wouldn't bitch at beer companies for them marketing to Hispanics.
It's not about the "brown" folk adopting "our" language. It's about them being able to enjoy their culture in a language that is familiar to them. It does absolutely no harm to you. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:56:56 PM EDT
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I have lived on the TX/Mexico border for over 90% of my life, and I have yet to encounter a business of any kind stateside that couldn't cater to me in English. That said, I don't necessarily doubt that this happened to you. I, too, would be mad at a business that didn't hire English speaking employees because let's face it -- most people in this country speak English. I can hate the business for their alienation of the majority, but I won't hate the employee not being able to speak English. If they can survive on their own and never speak a word of English, so be it, it makes no difference to me. I think they'd find it beneficial to learn, but I will not despise them if they don't. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:59:54 PM EDT
[#6]
I am currently learning Spanish and I think it's cool that we have a couple Spanish stations in the Seattle area.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:01:57 PM EDT
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You just took away any vestige of a valid argument from yourself and replaced it with sheer foolishness. And to compare our country to that third-world shithole that is Mexico...you sir, are a bigot and an asshole. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:02:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Indeed.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:03:24 PM EDT
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Ditto, I've lived in Texas for the past 20 years of my life and have never encountered a place where I wasn't able to communicate in english, hell, I've been to taco stands and taco shops that catered to me in english. I fail to see the problem. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:07:35 PM EDT
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san antonio = illegal bullshit radio. our rock station is good, but one of our two rap stations turned into a tejano station, and the other plays more tejano then anything else. on top of that, we have several spanish speaking stations.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Any illegal stations ought to be reported to the FCC - licenses are required for boardcasting here in the states ... oh, never mind.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:14:08 PM EDT
[#12]
To say that Spanish music is illegal alien music is like saying islamic hymns are terrorist hymns. It just reeks of bigotry.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Um, our rock station sucks and caters to 15-year-old posers that live at Hot Topic and think yelling at their mom is cool. Who's to say that illegals aren't enjoying music in English? I enjoy listening to music that I can't understand (German, Hindi, etc.) because I like how it sounds. Let's see, by your rationale, we should tell all the rock stations to stop playing Rammstein then. I don't see why Spanish-speaking stations offend you so. Well, yeah I do, because you apparently like to generalize... Besides, I've had a lot of people try to teach me how to dance cumbias, and guess what? They were all legitimate American citizens. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:40:49 PM EDT
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The Clear Channel effect has turned most of my local station into bastions of mindless mainstream drivel. To be fair, Clear Channel and their few remaining competitors didn't really invent the brainless craprock format. They just automated the process and turned it into a national product with a set formula. I listen to NPR news in the morning and sometimes listen to Limbaugh if he has anything interesting to say. I stopped listening to music on the radio more than a decade ago.
The local AM talk station has started airing Spanish ads during daylight hours. I usually turn the radio off for the day if I hear one. I am not a Mexican. If they want to reach a Spanish speaking audience they should start a Spanish language station. I remember listening to a small station in rural Virginia when I was a teenager. I could barely get the signal at a specific time each night. There was a bluegrass show every Friday at 8:30pm. My reception held out for ~30 minutes and then crapped out for some reason. It was a great radio show. Lots of the talent was local musicians from the Virginia/West Virginia area of the coast. I'll bet that station has long since been snatched up by a mega corp. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:49:57 PM EDT
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One of the oldies stations in Chicago-that I listened to all the time-got snatched up by Jack FM a few months ago. That crap, and Clear Channel are killing radio. I seem to remember reading an article in Speech Class last semester about Clear Channel not even allowing a distaster/emergency alert to be played. Satelite-it's slowly putting and end to broadcast radio as we speak. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 5:51:19 PM EDT
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The number one station in Dallas right now is tejano and it beat out an urban dance station to get there. Corporate radio will only play what makes money these days. When the listeners of those formats stop spending money with the advertisers the format will go away. That is why there are so few rock stations anymore......well plus the fact that most of what passes for rock these days suck. For those who like it 15 year old boys don't buy a lot of beer, cars, concert tickets, or go to clubs and restaurants. Sad but true.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 6:02:48 PM EDT
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So people who emigrate to the US from Mexico immediately drop all preference for Los Whatever and suddenly start being hardcore Wallflower fans?
You obviously need a clue, because if there was not a market for the stations, there would be no stations. So THAT justifies this shit. Capitalism is funny like that. Don't like it: move to North Dakota. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 6:15:47 PM EDT
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The switch was at 12 noon. I was listening to 99.1 - some old greenday. Shut off my car, walked into wawa, and grabbed some lunch. Walked outside, turned the car back on - spanish gibberish. I was pissed - even though 98 rock is more my thing. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 6:27:34 PM EDT
[#19]
what, you think the people working in McDonalds up here speak english? 
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Posted: 10/10/2005 6:37:28 PM EDT
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It is of great concern to me that so many spanish language radio stations are popping up. To combat this, I suggest taking your radio off of the FM band and listening to Michael Savage on AM radio. He's the lone voice of truth and sanity in an ever-growing cesspool of liberalism that threatens to destroy America.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 6:50:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Indeed. But it saddens me that real radio has fallen so far in quality that folks are willing to pay for access to a decent station or two. I'm normally loathe to advocate any sort of government regulation, but air waves are a finite resource and I think the FCC did a much better job in years past. Heck, if it was up to me nobody would be able to own more than a few stations in every state. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 7:11:54 PM EDT
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Let's see...
88.5: WAMU, American University NPR 90.1: WCSP, C-SPAN 90.9: WETA, PBS 92.7: WBZS, Spanish Rap 93.3: WFLS, Whiny country music 93.9: WKYS, Rap 94.3: WPLS, Spanish Ay-yi-yi-yi Mariachi music 94.7: WARW, "The Arrow" classic rock 95.5: WPGC, Rap 97.1: WASH, Soft rock 98.7: WMZQ, Really whiny country 99.1: WHFS, El Zol, Spanish (Formerly HFS, contemporary, held the yearly HFStival) 99.5: WIHT, Pop 100.3: WBIG, "Oldies 100," oldies 101.1: WWDC, "DC101" Contemporary rock 103.5: WGMS, Classical 103.9/104.1: WWVZ/WWZZ, "Z104" Pop-rock 105.9: WJZ,: "Smooth Jazz" Saxaphone music (It's pretty good, but jazz it ain't) 106.7: WJFK, Talk 107.3: WRQX, "Mix 107.3" Pop-rock 107.7: WTOP, News/talk As far as AM goes, I only listen to 590: WTNT (Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, G-Man, Don Imus) and occasionally 630: WMAL (Rush and Sean as well as Dr. Laura and Chris Core, a local talent) |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 7:31:35 PM EDT
[#23]
Between Infinity and Clear Channel (and more the latter), it won't be long before the ONLY language being broadcast on-air will be Spanish. English listeners are being driven to satellite radio in droves, even those bitter about having to pay for radio (like myself).
Remember that the reason for this crap is *primarly* illegal immigration. 6+% of our entire country is made up of ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico or Central/South America, and that doesn't include the 17% or so of the LEGAL immigrants from these countries that are helping them stay here. And before you start, I'm half Mexican, with grandparents that immigrated here in the 1920s. My grandparents INSISTED that their children speak ENGLISH and that they assimilate the culture of their new country. The purposeful resistance to assimilation is the main problem we are facing. -Troy |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 7:46:29 PM EDT
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Are you insinuating that the entire legal immigrant population is involved in some plot to keep illegals in? Sounds contrary to my own grandparents' view of illegal aliens, and I'm sure it would be contrary to your grandparents'. I think you are attributing the rise in Spanish radio to illegal immigration way too much. How much commerce do you think they actually contribute to these stations, by being benefactors, or supporting advertisers? What about the fact that the endogenous Hispanic population in the U.S. is the largest growing of all minority groups? |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 7:55:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Lots of liberal shit in here I see.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:00:42 PM EDT
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THERE SHOULD BE NO SPANISH OR OTHER LANGUAGE STATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY. PERIOD. I AM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF OUR COUNTRY BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE FUCKING ILLEGALS AND I AM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF BEING CALLED A RACIST WHEN I SPEAK THE TRUTH.
THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY HAD BETTER WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!! 
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:04:35 PM EDT
[#27]
1. All Caps is not cool. 2. Give me a good reason why there shouldn't be radio stations in foreign languages. 3. What is it we're supposed to wake up from? We acknowledge a problem, we have voiced ourselves, and still our government refuses to lock down the border or effect a crackdown. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:07:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:10:55 PM EDT
[#29]
Misery, All I said was we know what the problem is, and that we are aware of it. Those of us who give a shit are writing our congressmen to try to convince an adamant government that a lockdown is what we want. How was that, in any way, indicative of throwing in a towel or surrendering in any way?
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:17:41 PM EDT
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Just sounded like you've given up on the situation. It's working IMO, but unitl GWB is out of office, nothing big will happen. We need a President who doesn't cater to them because he views them as family, one of which his brother is married to. It pisses me off to no end that addressing the problem means someone is a racist. Keep the pressue on these assholes in the government and someday, hopefully soon, it will be headed in the right direction.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:19:12 PM EDT
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#1 Sorry for the all caps.
#2 This is America. We speak English. #3 There are many things every American needs to do when coming in contact with someone who doesn't speak English. Tell them to speak English as this is America. Don't give an inch on this. Don't feel sorry for them. Tell them it will only get worse if they don't learn to speak our language. Don't patronize the companies that allow the illegals to work for them. Write letters, take out ads in the papers, call on your elected officials and tell them what is going on in your community. Take Lowes for example. I went there a few months back and beneath all the English signs, they had spanish signs. THIS IS BULLSHIT. THIS IS AMERICA. Were being forced to adopt to them and I for one am sick as hell of it. I avoid Lowes now. Shame on them and FUCK THEM. As long as everyone allows this to happen, then nothing will change. We as a nation are quickly losing our culture and our way of life. One person can't do it alone but if we all stick together and do what is right, we will prevail. |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:20:25 PM EDT
[#32]
We're on the same page here, I think. Just because I support foreign lang. radio should not in any way or form insinuate that I have a blind eye toward the illegal problem. I try not to come down too hard on concerned citizens, except when they start "feeling" instead of "reasoning", I'm sure you understand. Also, I wasn't aware that ol' Jeb was married to an illegal.
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Posted: 10/10/2005 8:35:48 PM EDT
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Allow me to retort first that America is a nation built upon many. Many people, many views, many cultures (E Pluribus, Unum). I have to disagree with you that we are losing any American culture IN SPITE OF the illegal immigration problem. In your defense, however, I do agree that illegal immigration is a scourge on our economy and a source of crime (not only in the illegal immigration itself, but in other ways such as violent crime, drug trade, etc.) I think a lot of my frustration stems from the fact that many people do not effectively differentiate between legal, legitimate, Spanish-speaking American citizens and illegal aliens. We don't have an official language. We are afforded the freedom to speak whatever language we please, to whomever we please. I will reiterate -- if someone can make a living in America speaking nothing but Spanish, or Italian, or Chinese, or whatever, then that is their business and I have no problem and certainly no say in that. I would opine that they would be better off learning the language of the majority, but who says they have to? You say that Lowe's puts up signs in Spanish. Is this evidence for them hiring illegal aliens, or is it just a marketing strategy to those whose primary (or only ) language is Spanish? If that's all you got against them, I'd say your frustration is ill-conceived.With all that in mind, I do believe that most of us here can agree that we'd have a lot less to worry about if our government simply locked down our border. We don't need ANY more illegal immigration, period. |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 3:48:14 AM EDT
[#34]
+1 Illegal immigration is this country's number one problem. We should be concentrating on the root cause here, not bitching about the ancellary crap like radio stations and if the McDonalds employee "no hablo english." |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 7:27:18 AM EDT
[#35]
Well I personally like Merenque and Salsa music. I also happen to like some latin pop music (Laura Pausini, Gloria Estefan, Mana, etc). I even like a little Gaita Zuliana now and then.
If I could find a local station that played this kind of music, you bet I'd listen to it. Why not? It's a matter of personal taste, not legal status. |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 7:58:40 AM EDT
[#36]
I could do this every hour of every day..and STILL no one would notice.
Yes I am a one trick pony and can't help myself! This may help... |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 5:56:10 PM EDT
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If the show fits, wear it. If some person with the funds wants to set up a radio station, a TV station, a newspaper, whatever, in a foreign language, and the markets there to support it, then they should be free to do so without closed minded people like you telling them how to conduct their business. |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 6:00:47 PM EDT
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Your post makes no sense in relation to my post. If you are referring to the previous generations of immigrants, the language differences were usually resolved by the first American-born generation adopting English. Take my in-laws for example. My wifes grandmother came over from Italy, and spoke almost no English right up to the day she died. My in-laws themselves are fluent in Italian because thats what was spoken around the house when they were growing up, but other than one trip back to Italy 20 years ago have never used it in years. My wife and my kids know a few phrases in Italian but thats it. The same thing will happen in current and future immigrant groups. |
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So much for your pitiful retort. And no, I would not be wrong. Are you going to say that everyone who speaks Spanish in this country is an illegal alien? Because that's basically what you might as well be doing. I'm a white male from Mississippi, and I've at least got sense enough to know that all you are doing is being a racist bigot. Go back to the Klan rally bud.
