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Posted: 2/26/2009 3:47:09 PM EDT

[#1]

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

Not really. You can't chamber a 1911 with the safety on. Cocked and locked on an AR will still allow chambering and is VERY quick.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:47:28 PM EDT

[#2]

Lot of strange stuff in this thread.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:47:28 PM EDT

[#3]

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Hot 'n safe....just like my sex.

So your guns are....

men?

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:48:47 PM EDT

[#4]

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

It makes perfect sense. Why even have a safety if its only good for when the weapon is condtion 1? IMHO an AR-15/M16 should always be on safe until its go time.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:51:40 PM EDT

[#5]

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My HD rifle stays in my gun safe, in condition 3.

My 1911 is in a lock box next to my bed in condition 1.

ALL my guns are stored in my safe except for my 'ready weapon.' My ARs and all my semiauto weapons are in Condition 3; in case of a house fire, they won't 'cook off' and empty the magazine that way.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:52:03 PM EDT

[#6]

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

Not really. You can't chamber a 1911 with the safety on. Cocked and locked on an AR will still allow chambering and is VERY quick.

Exactly.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:53:15 PM EDT

[#7]

Chambered round in a rifle is a bad idea if the rifle is not in your hands. Just my 2 cents.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:53:30 PM EDT

[#8]

An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked.

It does confer the disadvantage of not communicating to the user the chamber's status. Granted, the ability to flick the safety on doesn't automatically dictate that a round is chambered in every case, but it does if I was the last one to touch the weapon.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:56:41 PM EDT

[#9]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:57:32 PM EDT

[#10]

Full mag, empty chamber, safety off.

Re: the full mag/open bolt.. A good drop on an open bolt could be a life ender.. I'm not taking any chances on a slamfire.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:57:39 PM EDT

[#11]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

What advantage is there?

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:58:03 PM EDT

[#12]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:58:36 PM EDT

[#13]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked.

It does confer the disadvantage of not communicating to the user the chamber's status. Granted, the ability to flick the safety on doesn't automatically dictate that a round is chambered in every case, but it does if I was the last one to touch the weapon.

It confers that if someone (like a kid) puts their booger flicker on the trigger it wont release the hammer. That to me is an advantage.

Posted: 2/26/2009 3:59:42 PM EDT

[#14]

If the hammer is uncocked, then a child's index finger (not a booger hook, please god stop with the 800 year old bad phrases) will not, in fact, release the hammer.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:01:03 PM EDT

[#15]

i only keep my my clips with 28 bullets so i don't compress the springs too much.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:01:38 PM EDT

[#16]

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If the hammer is uncocked, then a child's index finger (not a booger hook, please god stop with the 800 year old bad phrases) will not, in fact, release the hammer.

Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:02:18 PM EDT

[#17]

I don't use an AR for home defense. The Glock is the home defense weapon of choice. Full mag... but none in the chamber. Condition 3 here.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:02:37 PM EDT

[#18]

Holy fuck, a lot of unsafe procedures going on in this thread.

Anyone with a round in the chamber, safety off, is an idiot. Actually, anyone running safety off at all is an idiot, why when you will have to engage the safety before you move with the weapon, you do keep the weapon on safe until you're ready to fire, RIGHT?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:03:58 PM EDT

[#19]

6 AWs , 1 shotgun, 3 revolvers, and 4 auto pistols.........all have full mags inserted, but empty chambers.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:04:26 PM EDT

[#20]

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

You have no idea what you're talking about, please get training before you try arguing.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:04:50 PM EDT

[#21]

loaded mag inserted
dust cover closed
hammer down

the whole "what's the point of an unloaded gun" thing is great for a gun i am carrying on my person... since this is under or next to the bed... a perp would have to make it into the house (locks, alarm system, GDS) without me realizing it... and then make it up the steps and into my bedroom...

my GSD goes to THREATCON ALPHA when trash blows by the front of our house...

if i can't grab my AR and chamber a round, then i was attacked my stealth-equipped ninja assassins, and whoever wants me dead paid a lot of money for it to happen... i also have my carry gun (G32) chambered and holstered in the nightstand...

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:05:06 PM EDT

[#22]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Likewise, right back at ya ... hopefully though, you'll eventually "get it".

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:05:38 PM EDT

[#23]

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Holy fuck, a lot of unsafe procedures going on in this thread.

Anyone with a round in the chamber, safety off, is an idiot. Actually, anyone running safety off at all is an idiot, why when you will have to engage the safety before you move with the weapon, you do keep the weapon on safe until you're ready to fire, RIGHT?

Three(3) people have stated they keep their AR chambered with the safety off.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:05:46 PM EDT

[#24]

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If the hammer is uncocked, then a child's index finger (not a booger hook, please god stop with the 800 year old bad phrases) will not, in fact, release the hammer.

Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

I cannot fathom your response.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:06:09 PM EDT

[#25]

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AK underfolder here.
One in the tube, saftey off.

You must be joking.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:06:57 PM EDT

[#26]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Likewise, right back at ya ... hopefully though, you'll eventually "get it".

I can't fathom your response, either.

Come on, guys, if you're going to defend a stupid position, then go ahead and defend it. Don't pull crazy shit that reinforces our opinion of you based on what we think of your position.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:08:17 PM EDT

[#27]

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are you sure your mommy allowed you to use the computer?

Enlighten me.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:08:55 PM EDT

[#28]

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

You have no idea what you're talking about, please get training before you try arguing.

What exactly is the purpose of charging the rifle, engaging the safety, then inserting the magazine?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:09:18 PM EDT

[#29]

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Holy fuck, a lot of unsafe procedures going on in this thread.

Anyone with a round in the chamber, safety off, is an idiot. Actually, anyone running safety off at all is an idiot, why when you will have to engage the safety before you move with the weapon, you do keep the weapon on safe until you're ready to fire, RIGHT?

Three(3) people have stated they keep their AR chambered with the safety off.

See red.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:10:13 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

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Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

You have no idea what you're talking about, please get training before you try arguing.

What exactly is the purpose of charging the rifle, engaging the safety, then inserting the magazine?

Do you know what condition 3 means?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:11:13 PM EDT

[#31]

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Holy fuck, a lot of unsafe procedures going on in this thread.

Anyone with a round in the chamber, safety off, is an idiot. Actually, anyone running safety off at all is an idiot, why when you will have to engage the safety before you move with the weapon, you do keep the weapon on safe until you're ready to fire, RIGHT?

Three(3) people have stated they keep their AR chambered with the safety off.

See red.

See green.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:11:54 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Mag in, empty chamber, closed bolt, safety on.

That's what I do as well..

Whats wrong with condition 3?

Because it doesn't make sense to have the hammer cocked and the safety on with an unloaded weapon?

I was trained "Weapon on safe until you are ready to fire" and I don't like having a weapon in contition 1 unless its on my person.

As for the hammer... are you afraid the spring is going to wear out?

No. It has nothing to do with the spring. It simply doesn't sense. Kind of like if somebody has their 1911 cocked and locked, but no round chambered.

You have no idea what you're talking about, please get training before you try arguing.

What exactly is the purpose of charging the rifle, engaging the safety, then inserting the magazine?

A weapon is not charged until it has a round in the chamber.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:12:23 PM EDT

[#33]

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Holy fuck, a lot of unsafe procedures going on in this thread.

Anyone with a round in the chamber, safety off, is an idiot. Actually, anyone running safety off at all is an idiot, why when you will have to engage the safety before you move with the weapon, you do keep the weapon on safe until you're ready to fire, RIGHT?

Three(3) people have stated they keep their AR chambered with the safety off.

See red.

See green.

What? your reading comprehension is fucking awful.

ETA: Are you taking issue with my use of the phrase "a lot"?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:13:19 PM EDT

[#34]

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It makes perfect sence. Why even have a safety if its only good for when the weapon is condtion 1? IMHO an AR-15/M16 should always be on safe until its go time.

It makes as much sense as your spelling of the word.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:15:17 PM EDT

[#35]

Full mag, empty chamber, safety off.

My next stage (if I lived alone) would be bolt back, charging handle forward. Slingshot to load.

CJ

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:17:48 PM EDT

[#36]

Some of you guys need to skip the next 1000 rds of ammo you were going to buy and get some professional training instead.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:17:57 PM EDT

[#37]

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It makes perfect sence. Why even have a safety if its only good for when the weapon is condition 1? IMHO an AR-15/M16 should always be on safe until its go time.

It makes as much sense as your spelling of the word.

You're still wrong if you are a Condition 3 hater....

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:19:01 PM EDT

[#38]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Likewise, right back at ya ... hopefully though, you'll eventually "get it".

I can't fathom your response, either.

Come on, guys, if you're going to defend a stupid position, then go ahead and defend it. Don't pull crazy shit that reinforces our opinion of you based on what we think of your position.

It's not a stupid position - your level of understanding is lacking.

The discussion is about HD "scenarios" - of which, many have to consider kids in the home ... perhaps you missed that bit.

But for the sake of arguement, let say, for example, you're "out on patrol" somewhere and you're walking around with your weapon charged ...

Q: What position is your selector switch in ?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:23:17 PM EDT

[#39]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Likewise, right back at ya ... hopefully though, you'll eventually "get it".

I can't fathom your response, either.

Come on, guys, if you're going to defend a stupid position, then go ahead and defend it. Don't pull crazy shit that reinforces our opinion of you based on what we think of your position.

It's not a stupid position - your level of understanding is lacking.

The discussion is about HD "scenarios" - of which, many have to consider kids in the home ... perhaps you missed that bit.

But for the sake of arguement, let say, for example, you're "out on patrol" somewhere and you're walking around with your weapon charged ...

Q: What position is your selector switch in ?

Blitzen, the advantage to cond 3 is that once you chamber a round you're already moving, you don't need to then activate the safety to make the weapon cond 1.

Weapon unloaded, mag in well, safety on : Chamber round, moving

Weapon unloaded, mag in well, safety off : Chamber round, activate safety, moving

That's the difference.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:25:36 PM EDT

[#40]

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Full mag, empty chamber, safety off.

My next stage (if I lived alone) would be bolt back, charging handle forward. Slingshot to load.

CJ

Is your safety on while your bolt is to the rear?

Can you explain why you would do that at all, as opposed to just going condition 1?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:27:57 PM EDT

[#41]

If I'm chambering a round in a high pressure situation, I don't necessarily want the safety on.

Even if I did, I can flick it on if the chambering is successful, otherwise I have no tactile indication that I didn't short-cycle the action.

Much more importantly, I'm not going to constantly cycle the action and pull the trigger every time I manipulate the weapon in non-emergency situations solely so that I have some ridiculously slight momentary safety advantage in an emergency situation. I think that would raise the odds of an ND for no conceivable gain.

I appreciate the clarification, though, Panzer.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:29:47 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

Likewise, right back at ya ... hopefully though, you'll eventually "get it".

I can't fathom your response, either.

Come on, guys, if you're going to defend a stupid position, then go ahead and defend it. Don't pull crazy shit that reinforces our opinion of you based on what we think of your position.

It's not a stupid position - your level of understanding is lacking.

The discussion is about HD "scenarios" - of which, many have to consider kids in the home ... perhaps you missed that bit.

But for the sake of arguement, let say, for example, you're "out on patrol" somewhere and you're walking around with your weapon charged ...

Q: What position is your selector switch in ?

Blitzen, the advantage to cond 3 is that once you chamber a round you're already moving, you don't need to then activate the safety to make the weapon cond 1.

Weapon unloaded, mag in well, safety on : Chamber round, moving

Weapon unloaded, mag in well, safety off : Chamber round, activate safety, moving

That's the difference.

Thank You !

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:31:10 PM EDT

[#43]

For all of you who keep a mag in the gun and the bolt lock back, do me a favor. Take the mag out and then bump the butt on the floor or against a door frame and then report back on what happens.

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:31:50 PM EDT

[#44]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

How so ? Please explain that to me if you can

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:33:17 PM EDT

[#45]

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AK underfolder here.

One in the tube, saftey off.

You must be joking.

Why?

Not like his choice of HD weapon?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:33:58 PM EDT

[#46]

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If the hammer is uncocked, then a child's index finger (not a booger hook, please god stop with the 800 year old bad phrases) will not, in fact, release the hammer.

Child safety and firearm education is another topic and does not aplly to this discussion.
! - No kids in my home
2- when the kids were home they knew what and how a firearm worked and they was never a safety issue

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:35:04 PM EDT

[#47]

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An unchambered AR with the hammer cocked and safety on confers absolutely no advantage over an unchambered AR with the hammer uncocked ...

Not true.

How so ? Please explain that to me if you can

Kindly re-read all of page two (2).

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:35:28 PM EDT

[#48]

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Full inserted mag, bolt locked back, safety off.

Not a good idea ... at all.

What part other than the gun having an empty chamber?

Posted: 2/26/2009 4:35:34 PM EDT

[#49]

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If I'm chambering a round in a high pressure situation, I don't necessarily want the safety on.

Even if I did, I can flick it on if the chambering is successful, otherwise I have no tactile indication that I didn't short-cycle the action.

Much more importantly, I'm not going to constantly cycle the action and pull the trigger every time I manipulate the weapon in non-emergency situations solely so that I have some ridiculously slight momentary safety advantage in an emergency situation. I think that would raise the odds of an ND for no conceivable gain.

I appreciate the clarification, though, Panzer.

I don't understand the highlighted part, what I'm advocating is that one cycles the bolt, and places the weapon on safe, then insert a loaded mag to make the weapon condition 3, there's no trigger pulls in the progression.

I never considered the tactile indicator of short stroking though, interesting reason, and from a certain standpoint valid, I have never had issue with short stroking an AR but it would certainly warn you if you ever did. I prefer my method and a day/night press check if I'm really paranoid about my chamber being empty.