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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:23:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value $300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors. Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t. So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it. Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock. Never O/Cd a CPU before, Do I need a special heatsink/fan or will the factory one do fine? You can OC with the stock fan, but it won't get far. You can get high quality aftermarkets for about $40, not too bad at all. As far as the SSD, you're right about the space. I was mulling a 300 GB Velociraptor 10k RPM drive, you can pick up a refurb for about $100. I'm building an FSX box too, with the specs from my above post. I have an ATI 5870 Eyefinity 6 and 2 27" Asus monitors sitting in the office waiting for the rest of the equipment. Just need the CPU, MB, RAM Combo and another monitor. Here's what I'm shooting for.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:25:03 PM EDT
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not even a close call, sandy bridge absolutely trounces everything available in terms of performance and value $300 2600k overclocks to almost 5ghz on air, and comes within 10% or exceeds the benchmark scores of intel's OWN flagship $1000 processors. Amd ain't got nothing on SB, outstanding value on a cpu that destroys anything amd has out, including their 6 core 1090t. So you have to buy a new mobo, big deal, the price/performance justifies it. Just make sure you get a "k" model, those are the ones that can overclock. Never O/Cd a CPU before, Do I need a special heatsink/fan or will the factory one do fine? Seriously, never use Intels stock cooler, it's utter shit. I don't know why they still make them. Get an Artic Cooler 5. It's like 30 bucks and probably one of the best. I got a Coolermaster V8, because it looks cool, and was only about 80 bucks. 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:25:22 PM EDT
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AMD has fucked me over every time I have "given them a chance". I'm done with their unstable CPUs and Company. Ditto AMD is also crap now that AMD owns them (well to be fair they, while cheaper and seemingly as fast as Nvidia, have been sucking hard for a while now) Intel for CPU and if gaming a Nvidia GPU all of this MAY change with the upcoming Nvidia ARM CPUs |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:26:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: If it were me I would wait for Intel's new processors to come out this year. Sometime near Spring/Mid-Spring Look up "Sandy Bridge" +1 |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:26:45 PM EDT
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I have had the i5 for a bit now its great. Serious speed and im not even overclocking. Temps stay low, its a great chip.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:27:31 PM EDT
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Go for the core i5, it's built on a more advanced process.
 Sorry Zhukov... if it's any consolation, I think people should buy Radeon graphics cards.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:31:54 PM EDT
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The i5 will be faster; it's a generation ahead of AMD, so it's faster clock-for-clock. It has turbo boost, so it will clock up to 3.7ghz when the chip is not fully utilized. Very few games benefit from 4 cores, let alone 6. 6 cores would only have the edge in very intensive parallel tasks like video encoding and distributed computing.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:39:22 PM EDT
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The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor. Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5. Why do you hate me so much? 
Because he would rather support me 
ETA: Buying Intel also supports a company that is spending billions of dollars this year in infrastructure in America. I believe the Sandy Bridge CPU's are being made at the factory next to mine, and in a couple years we will also be making the processors at my factory. Thanks for the job security. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:47:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted ByTigerDirect.com:
Note: 2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5 processors are not compatible with Socket H (LGA1156). WAT? It is the socket on the motherboard that the processor goes into. If your motherboard has a Socket H, then the i5 will not fit properly. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:52:43 PM EDT
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I would go with the AMD.
Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:53:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:54:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Look it up, it is a well known fact!Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 1:58:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Look it up, it is a well known fact!Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU.  Anti theft device? http://antitheft.intel.com/welcome.aspx |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:03:19 PM EDT
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Intel> AMD Always! Your mileage will not vary. YMWNV!
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:04:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look it up, it is a well known fact!Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/wombatturd/tinfoilguy.gif Anti theft device? http://antitheft.intel.com/welcome.aspx "Intel's new Sandy Bridge processors have a new feature that the chip giant is calling Anti-Theft 3.0. The processor can be disabled even if the computer has no Internet connection or isn't even turned on, over a 3G network. With Intel anti-theft technology built into Sandy Bridge, David Allen, director of distribution sales at Intel North America, said that users have the option to set up their processor so that if their computer is lost or stolen, it can be shut down remotely." ETA: And we all know it will only be a matter of time before the script kiddies write a nice little Virus to "shut em down". |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:05:50 PM EDT
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Doesn't Intel's pushing of Digital Rights Management by way of their processor's come into play right about now?
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:09:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look it up, it is a well known fact!Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/wombatturd/tinfoilguy.gif Anti theft device? http://antitheft.intel.com/welcome.aspx "Intel's new Sandy Bridge processors have a new feature that the chip giant is calling Anti-Theft 3.0. The processor can be disabled even if the computer has no Internet connection or isn't even turned on, over a 3G network. With Intel anti-theft technology built into Sandy Bridge, David Allen, director of distribution sales at Intel North America, said that users have the option to set up their processor so that if their computer is lost or stolen, it can be shut down remotely." ETA: And we all know it will only be a matter of time before the script kiddies write a nice little Virus to "shut em down". ZOMG This isn't anything to get upset about. The Anti Theft tech is available on chipsets with a "Q" in front of the name(Q4x/Q6x etc), and is mostly aimed at business. Mobile versions of the chips exist too, with the naming at "QM". If you get regular chipsets(like the X, H, and P series) without the vPro and Anti Theft you don't get the feature. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2128491 |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:12:42 PM EDT
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Go out and buy the most expensive Intel CPU you can.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:14:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look it up, it is a well known fact!Quoted: I would go with the AMD. Fuck Intel and putting a Killswitch in the new Sandy bridge CPU. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/wombatturd/tinfoilguy.gif Anti theft device? http://antitheft.intel.com/welcome.aspx "Intel's new Sandy Bridge processors have a new feature that the chip giant is calling Anti-Theft 3.0. The processor can be disabled even if the computer has no Internet connection or isn't even turned on, over a 3G network. With Intel anti-theft technology built into Sandy Bridge, David Allen, director of distribution sales at Intel North America, said that users have the option to set up their processor so that if their computer is lost or stolen, it can be shut down remotely." ETA: And we all know it will only be a matter of time before the script kiddies write a nice little Virus to "shut em down". ZOMG This isn't anything to get upset about. The Anti Theft tech is available on chipsets with a "Q" in front of the name(Q4x/Q6x etc), and is mostly aimed at business. Mobile versions of the chips exist too, with the naming at "QM". If you get regular chipsets(like the X, H, and P series) without the vPro and Anti Theft you don't get the feature. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2128491 Anyone considering this a serious threat to his personal security or privacy should trash his mobile phone immediately. Meh. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:16:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: IBTM In Before the Macs Macs use Intel Core processors. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:17:08 PM EDT
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crap nevermind
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:20:33 PM EDT
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Doesn't Intel's pushing of Digital Rights Management by way of their processor's come into play right about now? The DRM on the SB chips only applies to Intel's streaming service, nothing more. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:25:32 PM EDT
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So how do I go about overclocking my CPU? And how can I be sure not to turn it into an expensive and ineffective paperweight?
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:32:16 PM EDT
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So how do I go about overclocking my CPU? And how can I be sure not to turn it into an expensive and ineffective paperweight? Kepp it under 1.36vcore and under 80C and you will be fine. 
This Xeon is an i7 and was only $200 last august! 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:43:12 PM EDT
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So how do I go about overclocking my CPU? And how can I be sure not to turn it into an expensive and ineffective paperweight? Overclock.net is your best friend. ETA: within 2 days of getting this new rig (i7 950), I had it stable at 4.2 GHz @ 1.32v. OC'ing the Sandy Bridge (god, I keep wanting to call it Sandy Vag for some reason), is supposed to stupid easy. Apparently they added mouse support in the BIOS, and everything is now OC'ed from just the multiplier and voltage. ETA2: 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:45:48 PM EDT
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IBTM In Before the Macs Macs use Intel Core processors. Ah hahaha! Good catch. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:50:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: So how do I go about overclocking my CPU? And how can I be sure not to turn it into an expensive and ineffective paperweight? It's pretty easy. You have to figure out which processor you want first, then do a little bit of homework. It's just changing some BIOS settings. As the others have said, check out the overclocking forums. Usually someone will post their conservative settings. The real problem is heat, but most/all CPU's will shutdown before they break. You Tube is a good source too |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:50:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 3:03:28 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:04:16 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:04:57 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. You're getting Tri SLI 570's, right? |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:09:48 PM EDT
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right now there isa deal. GTX 460 768mb for $56. Cheapest I've seen is $100. Checkout the online deals section of overclock.net
You can get two at that price and that would be good for up to 1680x1050 |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:32:09 PM EDT
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The Micro Center in Columbus, OH is selling the i5-2500K for $179.99 which is $50.00 less than that Tiger Direct ad. If you have a Micro Center near you, you may want to check them out for your processor. Thanks! I missed that! That tips the scale heavily in favor of the I5. Unless someone can come up with some HUGELY compelling reason to go AMD, I'm gonna get the I5. Yeah, wouldn't it be just fscking great of Micro Center would open up near me? Because you can't get that damn price except by walking in the DAMN store. And there's no STORE within hundreds of miles of here. Thanks a lot Micro Center you damn PRICKS. 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:34:53 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. You're getting Tri SLI 570's, right? LOL I wish. I have a Radeon 5770. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 4:59:32 PM EDT
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2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
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Posted: 1/17/2011 5:04:41 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. You're getting Tri SLI 570's, right? LOL I wish. I have a Radeon 5770. That might result in a bottleneck. 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 5:21:23 PM EDT
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I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. You're getting Tri SLI 570's, right? LOL I wish. I have a Radeon 5770. That might result in a bottleneck. I know.... 
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Posted: 1/17/2011 5:32:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would take a first gen i5 over the AMD, so definetly get the second gen i5 The i5 i7 series is amazing compared to AMD ATM. Plus the i5 has built in graphics so you do not need a GPU Except the i5 built in graphics are crap. Buy an i5-760 and put a decent video card in. Yeah, it will cost a little more, but you'll be glad you did. Yes thats if you want to play games. I stated that I played graphics intensive games in my OP. You're getting Tri SLI 570's, right? LOL I wish. I have a Radeon 5770. That might result in a bottleneck. I know.... But after I finish buying everything else, I'm gonna save up for a better card or two. Keep in mind that if you're main game is going to be FSX, it only uses one GPU. Anything more than that actually slows it down. Adding extra cards will slow it down instead of speed it up. Stick to a single hefty 1 GPU card. That's why I opted for the 5870. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 5:37:55 PM EDT
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Hardware is fast enough these days, just buy whatever is cheaper.
For me that was an AMD Phenom II x4 955BE and an ATI 4890 HD. Before it was Intel and Nvidia. The only time you'll really know which is faster is when you're staring at benchmark graphs. Invest in a good SSD for real performance boosts. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:45:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Don't forget about SSD. HDD's are the bottleneck these days. I've decided on this one, Crucial 64GB 355MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) Read, 75 Write. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357 Only problem with SSD is that I can't afford enough storage space for all the FSX addons I use. I'm thinking about getting an SSD for my boot drive and ARMA 2, then using a RAID 0 with 2 7200 HDDs for all my fsx stuff. http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027198-283.html http://reviews.cnet.com/internal-hard-drives/seagate-momentus-xt-500gb/4505-9998_7-34109211.html |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:57:30 PM EDT
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If you spend a bit more microcenter has the 2600k for $280, which is basically 2x the cpu the 2500k is. The 2600k has 8 logical cores. The 250k has 4.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:29:03 PM EDT
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If you spend a bit more microcenter has the 2600k for $280, which is basically 2x the cpu the 2500k is. The 2600k has 8 logical cores. The 250k has 4. Yea, That's what I'm planning on doing. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:30:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2011 8:46:37 PM EDT
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The 2500k. Thank us later.
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Posted: 1/17/2011 9:15:30 PM EDT
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If you spend a bit more microcenter has the 2600k for $280, which is basically 2x the cpu the 2500k is. The 2600k has 8 logical cores. The 250k has 4. I thought games maxed out at 3 cores? |
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Posted: 2/2/2011 3:05:36 PM EDT
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What did you end up getting?
Just an FYI, it looks like the new Intel chip has some bugs and was recalled til April. I might just breakdown and go with the AMD 1090T for Price vs Use. |
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Posted: 2/2/2011 3:07:04 PM EDT
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What did you end up getting? Just an FYI, it looks like the new Intel chip has some bugs and was recalled til April. I might just breakdown and go with the AMD 1090T for Price vs Use. It's the chipset inside Intel's 67 motherboards.......NOT intel's cpu processor. |
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Posted: 2/2/2011 3:07:40 PM EDT
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What did you end up getting? Just an FYI, it looks like the new Intel chip has some bugs and was recalled til April. I might just breakdown and go with the AMD 1090T for Price vs Use. This http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cougar-point-sandy-bridge-sata-error,12108.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4146/gigabyte-announces-6series-motherboard-replacement-program |
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Posted: 2/2/2011 3:11:59 PM EDT
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Interesting. I thought it was the chip directly. Why would Intel pull the actual chips if only some of the MBs are the problem?
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Posted: 2/2/2011 3:12:42 PM EDT
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What did you end up getting? Just an FYI, it looks like the new Intel chip has some bugs and was recalled til April. I might just breakdown and go with the AMD 1090T for Price vs Use. This http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cougar-point-sandy-bridge-sata-error,12108.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4146/gigabyte-announces-6series-motherboard-replacement-program I ended up getting the 2500K and I also have one of the P67 MBs. Haven't installed it yet, but I did open the box and check it out. Maybe I should return it....
ETA: Just checked my receipt, they only accept returns or defective products. However, The MB comes with a 3 year warranty, so if it fails before then, I'll just get a new one from them. And it only affects the SATA 3G ports. That leaves 4 SATA 6GB ports for me to use, I think that will work just fine. |
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