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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:07:38 AM EDT
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How many of the Pds run the county jail and serve civil papers? Gr All valid questions, and all jobs done by different divisions. The article DID mention shortages in both road and corrections divisions |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:08:06 AM EDT
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And while Mr. Inquisitive is causing a paradigm shift in societal norms to realign the criminal justice dynamic HCSD still needs 200 officers...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're too kind. No, really. I usually shoot for $10 words. So how many more cops do you think need to be hired to "Fix" everyone? How many prisons n the d to be built to house everyone, eventually including yourself, to separate them from you or you from them? How many more politicians to prop themselves up as saviors of those defunct by their own devices? Simply asking more questions doesn't make one inquisitive. Are you going somewhere with this, or just throwing rhetoric about? And while Mr. Inquisitive is causing a paradigm shift in societal norms to realign the criminal justice dynamic HCSD still needs 200 officers...... "Need" is such a subjective word, is it not? 
Some will say you don't "Need" your 30rnd mags. You may disagree with them & say you do. You May or May not each be right, but the interjection of "Need" is situationally systemic. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:08:48 AM EDT
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Where have I complained? I certainly never intended to do so. I have simply offered observations based on reality. A reality that hinges on insanity: Doing the same things over & over while expecting a different outcome is insanity, or so theorized Einstein. Complaining doesn't help. I am simply pointing out the inherent insanity in which society is engaging. Bad people need to be locked up in the interest of general public safety. You're complaining about that happening but don't offer solutions. Find another thread to complain in if you're still waiting for your morning cup of coffee to kick in. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:08:56 AM EDT
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What is ATI? Is the need for 200 deputies because of mass retirement, bad leadership or an increase in population?
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:11:42 AM EDT
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What is ATI? why use serendipitous? loaded terms like proper recourse, dynamically rejected at ARFCOM? ATI is Alternatives to Incarceration. Day Reporting Probation Drug Court Rehabs etc The current trend in punishment is that almost all criminal activity is caused by addiction rather than criminal intent. So the huggers want jails downsized and more money spent addressing peoples drug problems. They see the drug thing as the root of the problem rather than another sign that the crook simply has no moral compass and sees you the victim as their next meal ticket. That thinking isn't due to a drug problem. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:13:02 AM EDT
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A lot of SOs make their deputies work the jail first.
After X number of years, you get to transfer to the road when openings come available. After 4 years with my first PD, I interviewed with the local SO. Even with 4 years road experience, I was told I would still have to work the jail for 4 to 7 years. That was a deal breaker for me.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:14:22 AM EDT
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You have to come to it yourself, I can't make you understand. All I can do is offer alternate thoughts that challenge the fore mentioned paradigm. The deeper the hole you dig, the harder it is to get yourself out; societally speaking, History has proven: Make laws, make transgressions, & transgressors, of the law. The origin of resolution is in the understanding & application of wisdom that no one can be sanctified by laws conjured & appropriated by man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That being said, how was the peace maintained prior to this unending cycle of incarceration & increasingly inflating system that perpetrates its own growth? For starters, you're talking about a colonial society with low population density Most people lived and died within a 20 mile radius. There simply weren't the opportunities to engage in habitual criminal activities and if someone did, the locals took care of their own problems The Puritans, for instance, strongly enforced a societal model where you were expected to live around the green so the rest of the population could watch over you and keep you on the moral and legal straight and narrow path. Societal shaming through a variety of means too many to sit here and list If you want to go outside of American culture they used to lock you up for a whole lot less than what we do now. Ever hear of debtors prison? When's the last time you saw anyone in the US locked up because you were from outside the local town and you had no cash in your pocket. That wasn't unusual 80 years ago You still aren't offering any suggestions, you're pointing at the past and claiming things were done differently. To a certain extent they were, because society faced a different set of issues and they had different resources. But lets stay in the here and now. if you aren't happy locking up criminals, what is your solution. You have to come to it yourself, I can't make you understand. All I can do is offer alternate thoughts that challenge the fore mentioned paradigm. The deeper the hole you dig, the harder it is to get yourself out; societally speaking, History has proven: Make laws, make transgressions, & transgressors, of the law. The origin of resolution is in the understanding & application of wisdom that no one can be sanctified by laws conjured & appropriated by man. and Drink! I was waiting for the missing word that I knew you simply had to use in your bloviating. (paradigm) thank you for not letting me down. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:19:32 AM EDT
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you can step on alligator gar all the way across hillsborough river.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:19:33 AM EDT
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Bad people need to be locked up in the interest of general public safety. You're complaining about that happening but don't offer solutions. Find another thread to complain in if you're still waiting for your morning cup of coffee to kick in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where have I complained? I certainly never intended to do so. I have simply offered observations based on reality. A reality that hinges on insanity: Doing the same things over & over while expecting a different outcome is insanity, or so theorized Einstein. Complaining doesn't help. I am simply pointing out the inherent insanity in which society is engaging. Bad people need to be locked up in the interest of general public safety. You're complaining about that happening but don't offer solutions. Find another thread to complain in if you're still waiting for your morning cup of coffee to kick in. I asked were I complained but you haven't answered my question... Don't bother, it doesn't effect me. So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I asked were I complained but you haven't answered my question... Don't bother, it doesn't effect me. So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where have I complained? I certainly never intended to do so. I have simply offered observations based on reality. A reality that hinges on insanity: Doing the same things over & over while expecting a different outcome is insanity, or so theorized Einstein. Complaining doesn't help. I am simply pointing out the inherent insanity in which society is engaging. Bad people need to be locked up in the interest of general public safety. You're complaining about that happening but don't offer solutions. Find another thread to complain in if you're still waiting for your morning cup of coffee to kick in. I asked were I complained but you haven't answered my question... Don't bother, it doesn't effect me. So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Crime is down. Seems to be working. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:24:36 AM EDT
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I asked were I complained but you haven't answered my question... Don't bother, it doesn't effect me. So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where have I complained? I certainly never intended to do so. I have simply offered observations based on reality. A reality that hinges on insanity: Doing the same things over & over while expecting a different outcome is insanity, or so theorized Einstein. Complaining doesn't help. I am simply pointing out the inherent insanity in which society is engaging. Bad people need to be locked up in the interest of general public safety. You're complaining about that happening but don't offer solutions. Find another thread to complain in if you're still waiting for your morning cup of coffee to kick in. I asked were I complained but you haven't answered my question... Don't bother, it doesn't effect me. So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Spelling, grammar and syntax will address ATI far more than big words alone. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:25:37 AM EDT
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and Drink! I was waiting for the missing word that I knew you simply had to use in your bloviating. (paradigm) thank you for not letting me down.
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That being said, how was the peace maintained prior to this unending cycle of incarceration & increasingly inflating system that perpetrates its own growth? For starters, you're talking about a colonial society with low population density Most people lived and died within a 20 mile radius. There simply weren't the opportunities to engage in habitual criminal activities and if someone did, the locals took care of their own problems The Puritans, for instance, strongly enforced a societal model where you were expected to live around the green so the rest of the population could watch over you and keep you on the moral and legal straight and narrow path. Societal shaming through a variety of means too many to sit here and list If you want to go outside of American culture they used to lock you up for a whole lot less than what we do now. Ever hear of debtors prison? When's the last time you saw anyone in the US locked up because you were from outside the local town and you had no cash in your pocket. That wasn't unusual 80 years ago You still aren't offering any suggestions, you're pointing at the past and claiming things were done differently. To a certain extent they were, because society faced a different set of issues and they had different resources. But lets stay in the here and now. if you aren't happy locking up criminals, what is your solution. You have to come to it yourself, I can't make you understand. All I can do is offer alternate thoughts that challenge the fore mentioned paradigm. The deeper the hole you dig, the harder it is to get yourself out; societally speaking, History has proven: Make laws, make transgressions, & transgressors, of the law. The origin of resolution is in the understanding & application of wisdom that no one can be sanctified by laws conjured & appropriated by man. and Drink! I was waiting for the missing word that I knew you simply had to use in your bloviating. (paradigm) thank you for not letting me down.
Your welcome.
Emptiness of words or sentiment is often a matter of perspective. Obviously, you indicate my perspective is aside from your own in this regard. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:27:33 AM EDT
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Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:29:20 AM EDT
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I see community organizer force the department to lower it's standard and hire trash.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:30:33 AM EDT
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Is their academy in-house stuff or are they talking about state certification? Excluding pre-certs heretofore probably contributed considerably to their inability to fill slots I suppose.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:31:13 AM EDT
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Who gives a shit . Bottom line is how is this funded? By raising taxes and continually fucking the citizens?
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:31:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your welcome. Emptiness of words or sentiment is often a matter of perspective. Obviously, you indicate my perspective is aside from your own in this regard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That being said, how was the peace maintained prior to this unending cycle of incarceration & increasingly inflating system that perpetrates its own growth? For starters, you're talking about a colonial society with low population density Most people lived and died within a 20 mile radius. There simply weren't the opportunities to engage in habitual criminal activities and if someone did, the locals took care of their own problems The Puritans, for instance, strongly enforced a societal model where you were expected to live around the green so the rest of the population could watch over you and keep you on the moral and legal straight and narrow path. Societal shaming through a variety of means too many to sit here and list If you want to go outside of American culture they used to lock you up for a whole lot less than what we do now. Ever hear of debtors prison? When's the last time you saw anyone in the US locked up because you were from outside the local town and you had no cash in your pocket. That wasn't unusual 80 years ago You still aren't offering any suggestions, you're pointing at the past and claiming things were done differently. To a certain extent they were, because society faced a different set of issues and they had different resources. But lets stay in the here and now. if you aren't happy locking up criminals, what is your solution. You have to come to it yourself, I can't make you understand. All I can do is offer alternate thoughts that challenge the fore mentioned paradigm. The deeper the hole you dig, the harder it is to get yourself out; societally speaking, History has proven: Make laws, make transgressions, & transgressors, of the law. The origin of resolution is in the understanding & application of wisdom that no one can be sanctified by laws conjured & appropriated by man. and Drink! I was waiting for the missing word that I knew you simply had to use in your bloviating. (paradigm) thank you for not letting me down. Your welcome. Emptiness of words or sentiment is often a matter of perspective. Obviously, you indicate my perspective is aside from your own in this regard. Well, you are welcome to your liberal fantasy opinion, however fucked up unusual I think it is. You have all the markers of progressive troll college graduate. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:32:13 AM EDT
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So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Like I said, you're complaining ( "questioning" ) w/out offering any solutions or laternatives |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:32:43 AM EDT
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I can see partially why people aren't lining up for the jobs. The pay is only $44k once you've completed training.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:33:31 AM EDT
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Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:34:37 AM EDT
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Who gives a shit . Bottom line is how is this funded? By raising taxes and continually fucking the citizens? They're called essential services for a reason Of course the positions are funded by tax dollars How else would you suggest we fund public sector positions? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. Blame it on the MORONS who voted for these people. You know. The ones who voted in 2008 and 2012 that now say they did not vote. Anyone who says they didnt vote are the problem. They voted for Obama and are too ashamed to admit their ignorance in politics or how this country works. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:37:45 AM EDT
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How about this; Fundamentally alter the LEO/Criminal paradigm so as to negate the need for this type of bloated & paradoxically unattainable system of "confinement & rehabilitation". Just sayin.  
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:38:42 AM EDT
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Whats your suggestions? They're doing the ATI stuff heavily here and as far as I am concerned it's the wrong direction to take the criminal justice system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about this; Fundamentally alter the LEO/Criminal paradigm so as to negate the need for this type of bloated & paradoxically unattainable system of "confinement & rehabilitation". Just sayin. Whats your suggestions? They're doing the ATI stuff heavily here and as far as I am concerned it's the wrong direction to take the criminal justice system. Abolish most of the drug laws. and all of the gun laws, to start. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a shit . Bottom line is how is this funded? By raising taxes and continually fucking the citizens? You want anarchy? HCSO is one of the most professional organizations I know. Granted, I don't have a lot of interaction with them other than reading about them in the paper, but the few times I have been stopped (speeding on my motorcycle and unsecured load in my truck) the deputies were polite and professional. I was guilty of both infractions, but the deputies simply warned me to slow down / helped me secure the load, and we parted ways. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. This. You want to reduce crime? Quit electing Democrats and then defund the welfare state. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:40:18 AM EDT
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They're called essential services for a reason Of course the positions are funded by tax dollars How else would you suggest we fund public sector positions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who gives a shit . Bottom line is how is this funded? By raising taxes and continually fucking the citizens? They're called essential services for a reason Of course the positions are funded by tax dollars How else would you suggest we fund public sector positions? Just keep digging: You will eventually be able to get out. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:40:35 AM EDT
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I could see moving to FL
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:42:54 AM EDT
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Like I said, you're complaining ( "questioning" ) w/out offering any solutions or laternatives Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Like I said, you're complaining ( "questioning" ) w/out offering any solutions or laternatives Since when is asking a question or trying to stimulate resolute thinking a complaint? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:43:30 AM EDT
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You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Incarceration only works on the reformable of mind: let's start there. Degradation of the peaceful societal fabric can not be solved by further criminalization of criminals: At some point the fault of a serendipitous system of blind Logic will need to be dealt with lest the fabric be torn away completely. Proper recourse exists outside of our current execution of behavioral modification. It is excruciatingly obvious, however, dynamically rejected by a large number of constituency. You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc actually he is. that was all fancy talk for shooting people dead on the scene. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:43:32 AM EDT
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I lived in Tampa for many years and while I did not have many interactions with HCSO the ones I did were fine. I think they are a pretty good outfit and well run. Now Temple Terrace PD is another issue and I hope they don't hire any guys from them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:43:55 AM EDT
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Abolish most of the drug laws. and all of the gun laws, to start. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Abolish most of the drug laws. and all of the gun laws, to start. Those are relatively few of the inmates in local lock up. You aren't going to see gun or drug laws go away Next suggestion Quoted:
actually he is. that was all fancy talk for shooting people dead on the scene. I already addressed that You aren't going to see a lot more people shot than already are. Something needs to be done with the people who are caught He doesn't want to lock them up ATI doesn't work in my opinion. So what other options are there |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:45:07 AM EDT
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After this training is completed the recruit is sworn in and their salary increases to $44,881.20 per year as a certified law enforcement deputy." Aaaaaaand....I'm out. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:46:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaaand....I'm out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After this training is completed the recruit is sworn in and their salary increases to $44,881.20 per year as a certified law enforcement deputy." Aaaaaaand....I'm out. It's pretty cheap to live down here. Lap dances start at $20.00. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:46:37 AM EDT
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This. You want to reduce crime? Quit electing Democrats and then defund the welfare state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. This. You want to reduce crime? Quit electing Democrats and then defund the welfare state. See you do understand what I have been eluding to, by questioning, not complaining, so as to see a systemic issue for what it is. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:46:57 AM EDT
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Expansion of the death penalty is not likely in the current political climate Try harder Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me translate, "just shoot the fuckers." Cuts down on recidivism. Expansion of the death penalty is not likely in the current political climate Try harder He means before someone calls the cops, not after. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:47:49 AM EDT
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Since when is asking a question or trying to stimulate resolute thinking a complaint? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So sorry that I am questioning the Status Quo. Wouldn't want to have people doing that now invoking people to "Think" about the system on its face value & current reality. I found the topic interesting in terms of the "Need" for even more Staffing. Like I said, you're complaining ( "questioning" ) w/out offering any solutions or laternatives Since when is asking a question or trying to stimulate resolute thinking a complaint? Well, I alluded to the answer when I stated what I noticed anecdotally. Here is a link saying violent crime rates have gone SUBSTANTIALY down over the last couple to three decades............it appears increased incarceration rates (and I believe relaxing CPL laws) are the main drivers of this trend. Kinda goes against your solutions...............well the solutions I guess you would propose since you haven't seriously proposed any yet. Link |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:48:14 AM EDT
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That's one of the areas we are looking at after I'm done with the Army. Still got 9 1/2 years to go. Short timer huh? Kudos to you for being proactive. Send in your app today. These things take time. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:48:45 AM EDT
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Aaaaaaand....I'm out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After this training is completed the recruit is sworn in and their salary increases to $44,881.20 per year as a certified law enforcement deputy." Aaaaaaand....I'm out. actually, starting wage for the pre-certified deputies start at $47,349 |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:49:29 AM EDT
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actually, starting wage for the pre-certified deputies start at $47,349 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After this training is completed the recruit is sworn in and their salary increases to $44,881.20 per year as a certified law enforcement deputy." Aaaaaaand....I'm out. actually, starting wage for the pre-certified deputies start at $47,349 Still out. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:51:35 AM EDT
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See you do understand what I have been eluding to, by questioning, not complaining, so as to see a systemic issue for what it is. Could you allude to whom you've been eluding? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:51:39 AM EDT
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actually he is. that was all fancy talk for shooting people dead on the scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Incarceration only works on the reformable of mind: let's start there. Degradation of the peaceful societal fabric can not be solved by further criminalization of criminals: At some point the fault of a serendipitous system of blind Logic will need to be dealt with lest the fabric be torn away completely. Proper recourse exists outside of our current execution of behavioral modification. It is excruciatingly obvious, however, dynamically rejected by a large number of constituency. You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc actually he is. that was all fancy talk for shooting people dead on the scene. Among other things, quite possibly, if the situation (Dynamically, not Statically) necessitates the action. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:52:09 AM EDT
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I can see partially why people aren't lining up for the jobs. The pay is only $44k once you've completed training. That's not bad for starting pay. I started at 31K in the Atlanta area, with 4 years military experience, a bachelors degree, 90% of an associates completed, and civilian/military UAS instructor certificate. I've been looking for a change so I'm applying. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:53:24 AM EDT
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They're called essential services for a reason Of course the positions are funded by tax dollars How else would you suggest we fund public sector positions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who gives a shit . Bottom line is how is this funded? By raising taxes and continually fucking the citizens? They're called essential services for a reason Of course the positions are funded by tax dollars How else would you suggest we fund public sector positions? Didn't we learn anything from the massive pension obligations which have destroyed cities? Detroit being one of them and NY not being totally honest about our pension liabilities. Within the next decade we will experience a government meltdown. I only wish I could come up with a good solid funding plan instead of having the taxpayer as the sole provider for every fuck up made. The NYS Pension system including the NYPD and the rest of the public workers are in for a big surprise. Read through the Obama Care employer mandates this is just the tip of a tsunami that is on its way. Good luck to all of us. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:54:12 AM EDT
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Oh, look. Somebody's thirteening. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:54:41 AM EDT
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You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Incarceration only works on the reformable of mind: let's start there. Degradation of the peaceful societal fabric can not be solved by further criminalization of criminals: At some point the fault of a serendipitous system of blind Logic will need to be dealt with lest the fabric be torn away completely. Proper recourse exists outside of our current execution of behavioral modification. It is excruciatingly obvious, however, dynamically rejected by a large number of constituency. You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc I don't know about gtfoxy but I for one would institute a eye for and eye system. You rape, you are chemically castrated, you murder, you die, you steal, you repay 10 times the amount you stole or are incarcerated until you (I don't care how as long as it's legal) or someone you know pays the debt back (to the victim) and you pay for your own incarceration until you are released. If you can not afford the incarceration, you work it off at $2.50 an hour. if you are under 18 your parents are financially responsible for your actions. There's a lot more but I don't want to waste my time writing it because I know it'll never be implemented. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:55:43 AM EDT
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Incarceration only works on the reformable of mind: let's start there. Degradation of the peaceful societal fabric can not be solved by further criminalization of criminals: At some point the fault of a serendipitous system of blind Logic will need to be dealt with lest the fabric be torn away completely. Proper recourse exists outside of our current execution of behavioral modification. It is excruciatingly obvious, however, dynamically rejected by a large number of constituency. You aren't offering any suggestions. You're simply posting verbiage that actually offers no solutions What would you do with the thieves rapists drug dealers, habitual criminals etc actually he is. that was all fancy talk for shooting people dead on the scene. I thought he was saying "Prison Colony". Afghanistan would be perfect. Guess he left it purposely vague, so we could furnish our own interpretation, |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:56:02 AM EDT
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Didn't we learn anything from the massive pension obligations which have destroyed cities? Detroit being one of them and NY not being totally honest about our pension liabilities. Within the next decade we will experience a government meltdown. I only wish I could come up with a good solid funding plan instead of having the taxpayer as the sole provider for every fuck up made. The NYS Pension system including the NYPD and the rest of the public workers are in for a big surprise. Read through the Obama Care employer mandates this is just the tip of a tsunami that is on its way. Good luck to all of us. The only reasons cities have had problems with pensions is that they declared pension holidays for their portion and fell behind |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:56:27 AM EDT
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People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. "Idle hands are the Devil's playthings." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:57:20 AM EDT
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"Idle hands are the Devil's playthings." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Frankly my only suggestion for decreasing incarceration is step wean able bodied people off of welfare. It puts pressure on people to work and maintain marital and familial relationships. Frankly a lot of people would fare better simply having to work a job and rest for same on off hours. It kInd of keeps me out of trouble. People who work for a living are either too busy, or too tired to commit crimes. The FSA have all day to engage in their antisocial activities. "Idle hands are the Devil's playthings." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile WITHOUT QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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