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Nice $7 billion USD you've got there. Be a shame if something were to....happen to it.
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We may not be able to deport all of them, buthey we can sure deport a huge number of them View Quote All we have to do is deport the ones that get nabbed for other offenses. Get picked up selling narcotics? Onto the bus and across the border you go. Pulled over for a traffic violation and here illegally? Onto the bus and across the border you go. Just transport them from the jails to regional detention centers and when you have enough in a regional detention center to fill a bus load back across the border they go. I've read where 3 million illegal immigrants per year are picked up on various criminal offenses. No need to go looking door to door for them. Eventually they fuck up and come to you. The ones that stay clean enough to avoid LE interaction I'm not overly worried about. |
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I don't think that is possible without creating a huge black market for cash movement. Ideally I'd like to see it get hit at the same % as self employment or Corp tax rate But would be happy at 10% which should be practical and workable View Quote The coyotes will charge enough vig on money transfers that either way it will be an incentive to either legalize or leave. |
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The US can and must deport them. Deport them to Somalia or to a land locked nation in Central Asia. The nations receiving them can use the free labor they are getting.
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In other words what he is saying is he doesn't want to lose 10 percent of his gdp. We need a 20% tax on all money wired down south and a 25% tax on phone cards. View Quote Whatever. They'll be "deported" to rubber boats a few miles off the coast and given a paddle or two and a compass and the blessing of "Buena Suerte, Vaya con Dios!" They'll have a choice of paddling back to the US or going home. |
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Looks like we are giving them aid to a tune of a 143 million in 2012. Guatemala, guess who signs that check this year?
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By that logic, why is Guatemala hesitant to receive back it's citizens?
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Translation, for those who don't speak Spanish: We don't want our dregs back.
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I don't think that is possible without creating a huge black market for cash movement. Ideally I'd like to see it get hit at the same % as self employment or Corp tax rate But would be happy at 10% which should be practical and workable View Quote If they did move cash, it wouldn't take long for the postal workers overseas to start liberating those funds. |
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Their GDP is approximately $54 billion.
Per capita $7.7K. Losing those "remittances" would make a good dent. |
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I don't think that is possible without creating a huge black market for cash movement. View Quote If it can be proven it's black market, then that's a case of civil forfeiture I can stand behind. If they can't prove the 50% tax was paid, then they get half back. When they submit proper paperwork, of course. |
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<img src="http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/9/92/He's_right_you_know.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150320192210" /> Laughing at everyone in this thread who thinks they will pick their own vegetables. View Quote |
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If they did move cash, it wouldn't take long for the postal workers overseas to start liberating those funds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't think that is possible without creating a huge black market for cash movement. Ideally I'd like to see it get hit at the same % as self employment or Corp tax rate But would be happy at 10% which should be practical and workable If they did move cash, it wouldn't take long for the postal workers overseas to start liberating those funds. |
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The US can and must deport them. Deport them to Somalia or to a land locked nation in Central Asia. The nations receiving them can use the free labor they are getting. The important thing is to first deport the advocates of the illegals, then deport the illegals themselves. View Quote Doesn't CA have some illegals as elected officials? Start with them.... |
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Automation. They've managed to build a functioning tobacco harvester, by far the most labor intensive crop. You think implements don't exist to pick tomatoes and cucumbers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<img src="http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/9/92/He's_right_you_know.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150320192210" /> Laughing at everyone in this thread who thinks they will pick their own vegetables. Oh no my lettuce just went up 5 cents a head how will I survive |
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Because we really care about what Guatemala says we can and cannot do....
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If we can't deport your people, maybe we should stop your people from deporting their money.
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Automation. They've managed to build a functioning tobacco harvester, by far the most labor intensive crop. You think implements don't exist to pick tomatoes and cucumbers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<img src="http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/9/92/He's_right_you_know.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150320192210" /> Laughing at everyone in this thread who thinks they will pick their own vegetables. Lol. No. Cheaper to hire immigrants. |
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The coyotes will charge enough vig on money transfers that either way it will be an incentive to either legalize or leave. View Quote All we have to do is make the incentives for coming into (and staying) the country legally outweigh the disincentives to do it illegally. The black market will always be more expensive. I don't give a crap about the ones here working, I care about the criminals - deport them immediately. The ones willing to follow the rules will be fine additions. |
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Or better, funds transfers to or from illegals are frozen subject to confiscation if the party is later confirmed to be an illegal. Make it so toxic to do any sort of transaction with them that they self deport. View Quote This. You know that sucking sound that Perot was talking about? That was the sound of American tax dollars going south in the form of remittances. Not only do the illegals sign up for benefits and live off of them, but any money they make working goes into giros postales going south. You'd be astounded at how much stupid shit we're paying for with regards to this. I know of a bunch of honest, hard-working Americans who started out as illegals, but I also know of a shitload that are working two-three scams with welfare and other bullshit, to finance buying new cars and support the families at home. It's fucking insane--You pull up on a job site, and there's a new GM pickup sitting on it, they're working for lower wages than you can afford to pay yourself as the competing business fucking OWNER and still make the taxes you need to, and they're on several different kinds of public support. I've seen some of these families in using SNAP benefits, and they're the same ones keeping me from being able to charge what it costs to have American citizens do construction work. You want to know why so many people aren't in the labor pool, anymore? It's pretty damn simple; there's no damn point to it. The illegals and H1B types have warped the labor market so far out of whack that it's not even funny. Average person doesn't even see the effect of it, either--Thirty-forty years ago, most lawn care and such was done homeowners and kids working after school. The illegals came in, and were willing to work for what a high-school kid would get paid, and now we've dropped the floor out of the labor pool, where the average kid learned how to work, and take pride in it. So, now they sit around playing video games, mostly. Where I live, back in the 1970s and 1980s, most of the menial scut work in the restaurants and so forth were high-school kids, especially outside school hours and on the weekends. Now? They're nowhere to be found, all you hear in the kitchens is Spanish, and the average American kid is a lazy-ass POS with no work ethic. That's the real price we're paying for illegals, same as the deep South did with slavery. There's a reason that the non-slave dependent Northern Europeans were far more effective economies than any of the slave-based ones, and that is largely due to the way the culture developed and affirmed work ethics in the populace. We're pissing that away, and you're starting to see the repercussions for it all around you. |
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Teenagers need jobs to. Pay people more money and it will get done regardless. Oh no my lettuce just went up 5 cents a head how will I survive View Quote This whole "lettuce is going to cost XYZ.." argument doesn't hold water. Since we are treating them at ER, educating their children and putting some of them in jail we are already subsidizing the true costs of all this "cheap" labor. If there's truly a need I expect automation would fill the gap. |
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All we have to do is deport the ones that get nabbed for other offenses. Get picked up selling narcotics? Onto the bus and across the border you go. Pulled over for a traffic violation and here illegally? Onto the bus and across the border you go. Just transport them from the jails to View Quote FIFY |
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The last I checked Guatemala does not call any shots as to what the USA can or can't do.
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Ah perfect! Fresh chum bait for the sharks in the gulf of MEXICO.
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This. You know that sucking sound that Perot was talking about? That was the sound of American tax dollars going south in the form of remittances. Not only do the illegals sign up for benefits and live off of them, but any money they make working goes into giros postales going south. You'd be astounded at how much stupid shit we're paying for with regards to this. I know of a bunch of honest, hard-working Americans who started out as illegals, but I also know of a shitload that are working two-three scams with welfare and other bullshit, to finance buying new cars and support the families at home. It's fucking insane--You pull up on a job site, and there's a new GM pickup sitting on it, they're working for lower wages than you can afford to pay yourself as the competing business fucking OWNER and still make the taxes you need to, and they're on several different kinds of public support. I've seen some of these families in using SNAP benefits, and they're the same ones keeping me from being able to charge what it costs to have American citizens do construction work. You want to know why so many people aren't in the labor pool, anymore? It's pretty damn simple; there's no damn point to it. The illegals and H1B types have warped the labor market so far out of whack that it's not even funny. Average person doesn't even see the effect of it, either--Thirty-forty years ago, most lawn care and such was done homeowners and kids working after school. The illegals came in, and were willing to work for what a high-school kid would get paid, and now we've dropped the floor out of the labor pool, where the average kid learned how to work, and take pride in it. So, now they sit around playing video games, mostly. Where I live, back in the 1970s and 1980s, most of the menial scut work in the restaurants and so forth were high-school kids, especially outside school hours and on the weekends. Now? They're nowhere to be found, all you hear in the kitchens is Spanish, and the average American kid is a lazy-ass POS with no work ethic. That's the real price we're paying for illegals, same as the deep South did with slavery. There's a reason that the non-slave dependent Northern Europeans were far more effective economies than any of the slave-based ones, and that is largely due to the way the culture developed and affirmed work ethics in the populace. We're pissing that away, and you're starting to see the repercussions for it all around you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Or better, funds transfers to or from illegals are frozen subject to confiscation if the party is later confirmed to be an illegal. Make it so toxic to do any sort of transaction with them that they self deport. This. You know that sucking sound that Perot was talking about? That was the sound of American tax dollars going south in the form of remittances. Not only do the illegals sign up for benefits and live off of them, but any money they make working goes into giros postales going south. You'd be astounded at how much stupid shit we're paying for with regards to this. I know of a bunch of honest, hard-working Americans who started out as illegals, but I also know of a shitload that are working two-three scams with welfare and other bullshit, to finance buying new cars and support the families at home. It's fucking insane--You pull up on a job site, and there's a new GM pickup sitting on it, they're working for lower wages than you can afford to pay yourself as the competing business fucking OWNER and still make the taxes you need to, and they're on several different kinds of public support. I've seen some of these families in using SNAP benefits, and they're the same ones keeping me from being able to charge what it costs to have American citizens do construction work. You want to know why so many people aren't in the labor pool, anymore? It's pretty damn simple; there's no damn point to it. The illegals and H1B types have warped the labor market so far out of whack that it's not even funny. Average person doesn't even see the effect of it, either--Thirty-forty years ago, most lawn care and such was done homeowners and kids working after school. The illegals came in, and were willing to work for what a high-school kid would get paid, and now we've dropped the floor out of the labor pool, where the average kid learned how to work, and take pride in it. So, now they sit around playing video games, mostly. Where I live, back in the 1970s and 1980s, most of the menial scut work in the restaurants and so forth were high-school kids, especially outside school hours and on the weekends. Now? They're nowhere to be found, all you hear in the kitchens is Spanish, and the average American kid is a lazy-ass POS with no work ethic. That's the real price we're paying for illegals, same as the deep South did with slavery. There's a reason that the non-slave dependent Northern Europeans were far more effective economies than any of the slave-based ones, and that is largely due to the way the culture developed and affirmed work ethics in the populace. We're pissing that away, and you're starting to see the repercussions for it all around you. |
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Are you referring to Operation Damp Dorsal? View Quote What's the big deal? The name of the operation was what the name was. Historical fact. The tip-toeing needs to stop. Operation Wetback |
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This whole "lettuce is going to cost XYZ.." argument doesn't hold water. Since we are treating them at ER, educating their children and putting some of them in jail we are already subsidizing the true costs of all this "cheap" labor. If there's truly a need I expect automation would fill the gap. View Quote |
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So, require a Social Security Number to initiate an international funds transfer / money order / etc, and make the transfer subject to 50% initial tax. If you have provided a valid SSN, you get 90% of the tax back as a tax credit on your annual IRS income tax. You don't have a valid SSN or don't file 1040 - tough shit, no refund. View Quote No, too damn easy and too many loopholes. They'll steal people's SSNs, and leave them to pay the penalties. What they need to do is start tracking these fucks by the benefits they get, comparing them to the remittances, and then confiscating those remittances until they equal out to what they've taken in terms of tax dollars. The numbers don't add up, the way you're suggesting it be done--There's still a tremendous amount of American tax money being spent, taken from all of us, to subsidize this shit that's leaving us out of work and making less money. Why the hell are my local schools having to float bonds to pay for the remedial education a lot of the illegal's kids need? Why isn't that expense, taken out of my pocket, being accounted for with this bullshit? Seriously--You want to fix this shit? Fine, let's fix it, but let's do it by capturing the actual costs/benefits of all this "cheap labor". I guaran-damn-tee you that the only thing that's "cheap" about it is that we're not seeing the true costs of things, from across the board. Sure, the farmers are making out like bandits, 'cos in some cases they're paying a lot less to the illegals than they would have to pay an American, but... He's not the guy having to pay for them to live here in the off-season, he's not paying to educate their kids, he's not paying the health care costs for the families during the off-season, and on and on and on. We literally don't even know what these people cost us, in terms of the externalities. Sure, you think you're making a little more money with that questionable labor you're getting cheap, but... You're also getting your taxes jacked up, to pay for educating their kids, the percentage that is criminal, and a whole bunch of other stuff that never makes it anywhere near your accounting software. I say make all this crap legal, but also do away with birthright citizenship and all the rest. Look at the costs we're paying out, and if you're an illegal here in the US, making money to send home, sure... Send it home. But, first, let's take a look at what the American taxpayer is paying for you and your family to be here, undercutting our labor pool. If you ain't on the "profit" side of the balance sheet, too bad, too sad, your money ain't leaving, it's going straight to the US treasury. That way, if the illegal truly is of economic benefit, that's the only way they can afford to be here and send money back. The current setup is basically subsidizing the destruction of the American economy, long-term. Hell, we don't even have a good handle on what we're spending on these people, or what is being sent back home by them--It's nuts. You want an honest set of numbers so we can actually look at this shit, and talk about it? Good luck; we don't have 'em, and aren't even trying to get them. A lot of the cost to American taxpayers is hidden by all this shit; they need to seriously jack up the H1B tax rates, and do the same damn thing. I've heard complaints from laid-off US IT workers who were supporting a family, got replaced by Indian H1Bs that were living five-six to an apartment, and sending back most of their wages. The companies that were doing this were culpable, but the problem is also governmental--When you allow the tax base and housing base to get so far out of whack for the average American citizen that this kind of thing begins to make economic sense for those companies...? The whole basis for the equation needs to be changed. I don't disagree that perhaps the US has a responsibility to boost economies overseas--That's just good for all of us, creating stable, market-based modern economies. But, for the love of God, why the hell are we letting this idea get so far out of hand that we're creating our own little third world, here in the US? It isn't good for anyone, in the long haul. |
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lol, we don't need to throw them out. Make them feel unwelcome and they will leave on their own! This strategy has worked at the national and local level in the past, in OK and in Eisenhower's such and such Operation that we can't talk about because site staff will give us a warning for using the historically correct name. View Quote Amen to all of that, especially the last part. |
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Fuck you Guatemala. View Quote This area is infested with those little fk'ers. They get wasted drunk and rob each other all the time. Or stab each other. We watched a huge brawl spill out of one of their bars. Cops blocked off the street and let them thin themselves out before going in with pepper spray and night sticks. It was like a midget free for all lol |
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