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Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:59:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 10:22:32 AM EDT
Now that the thread is back on track, I must concure: the first ammendment doesn't say jack a bout what private employers can and can't do.

Not to mention the fact that the guy wasn't fired for expressing his views; he was fired for causing a scene -- did you notice security had to /remove him from the event/ ?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:45:33 AM EDT
Ohio will be the Florida of 04.

The corruption in the GOP here has reached a boiling point, and your next president may depend on what happens right here in little old nowhere Ohio.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:51:05 AM EDT
Also, if you would read the article, he was given the tickets by a client of the company and not his employer. The client was embarassed because he had to be escorted out. Therefore, the company fired him so they wouldn't lose the client's business. Pretty simple concept to me. You are representing not only your business, but the client also. If he would have declined the tickets and went on his own, I'm betting that he would not have been fired. Just a little common sense goes a long way.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 12:04:16 PM EDT
Awwww so sad


NOT!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 12:05:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 12:13:56 PM EDT by The_Neutral_Observer]
Business is business.

Politics is politics.

You piss off a client for whatever reason, you lose money.

So, keep everything not related to business out of business.

It's the oldest rule in the book.

EDIT:
There is a reason The Neutral Observer never shares anything but the vaguest personal details. Here, The Neutral Observer is anonymous, and can safely post any political rant or weird-ass theory. The First Amendment, like the rest of the Bill of Rights, protects citizens against government excess. It never mentions anything about protecting citizens from other citizens, or protecting a citizen if that citizen pisses off his boss or, worse, a client and loses the company money in the process.

Ben Dover, take this as friendly advice and nothing more. You've been lax in withholding personal details (if some of the things you've said have been true), and you've said things that will piss off your boss. This site is visited by thousands of people daily, and it's a small world. Might want to rethink.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:26:44 PM EDT
Fortunately, I am a shareholder. Getting rid of me, even over political views, would be quite financially rewarding for me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:35:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Not a damn thing wrong with what happened to this jerk.

If it had been the other way around, and the guy was fired for heckling John F***ing Kerry, I would say the very same thing.

Although I wouldn't be as happy and gleeful about it as I am now!

Eric The(FairAndImpartial)Hun



I would too, but then it would be just the two of us.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:36:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyanide:
law suit



Spoken like a true Liberal.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:37:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattja:
Both he and his employer exercised their freedom of speech.



And you mean freedom to contract right?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:50:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Yep. You're right. You're representing your employer. And employers say the same thing, even when you aren't on their clock.

Here in my local community, there is a guy who was just given an ultimatum to stop posting his views on a local political discussion website.

He never once posted on company time, and he never posted anything about his employer (US Bank). The local bank corp, even though owned by US Bank, is still partly owned by the shareholders of the previous company. These people are bigwigs in the local community, who hate the existence of the political website. They found out about this guy's participation in the site, and they put leverage on the bank to dismiss him or they would pull out their money.

The guy chose to leave the bank rather than stop exercising his civil rights.

I know all of this because I run the local political website.

Once again, gestapo tactics of the old guard GOP....



Is this the guy who's dating a woman who was forced to abort Bush's unborn baby back when abortions were illegal?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:59:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:01:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyanide:
law suit



And your cause of action would be what? Wrongful discharge???? Not too likely, even in Merryland.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:02:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Ohio will be the Florida of 04.

The corruption in the GOP here has reached a boiling point, and your next president may depend on what happens right here in little old nowhere Ohio.




I like my little corner of Ohio Just Fine...

I dont care WTF the GOP does...

I am voting BUSH. As should you...

As far as the state being "split" I dont know where you live but, I dont see it that way in my
community nor the surrounding ones...

If BUSH looses in Ohio I will move, and I dont plan on moving anytime soon

Nutz...out...
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:06:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

Originally Posted By fixer:
shit! too bad it's in W. Va or i'd send 'em my resume!




Originally Posted By skipperJ:
Stay in Nevada, we don't want you here.



+1 peckerlips, We don't want you here!



... I'm not certain of this, but I think you guys are taking fixer's comment wrong.

... I read it as filling the employers requirements for a new graphic designer. Preferably a pro-Bush one.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:08:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:13:58 PM EDT by imcoltsguy]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
He got fired for being an ass, not for being anti-Bush. Big difference.



+1
If he accepted an event ticket from a client of his employer, obviously a client who is a Bush supporter, then attended the event and acted like an ass, that's a work related setting. Not too smart. Even the ACLU can't help him there.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:09:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:54:53 PM EDT by imcoltsguy]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
He got fired for being an ass, not for being anti-Bush. Big difference.



Dang, cyanide, sorry to hear about it. Hope you find work soon.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:11:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:14:33 PM EDT by imcoltsguy]

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Fortunately, I am a shareholder. Getting rid of me, even over political views, would be quite financially rewarding for me.



Wanna run that one by me again, pardner?? I don't quite catch yer meanin'.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:15:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:16:54 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:28:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ:

Originally Posted By fixer:
shit! too bad it's in W. Va or i'd send 'em my resume!




Originally Posted By skipperJ:
Stay in Nevada, we don't want you here.



+1 peckerlips, We don't want you here!




awww, how sweet... thanks for sharing the love assholes!

that wasn't meant to be a derogatory to W. Va. just observing the fact that it's 2,500+ miles away would be a long commute.

if i wanna diss your state, you'll know it, mmmkay?

now go hold hands and sing John Denver tunes!
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