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Posted: 1/10/2006 3:45:49 AM EDT
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I'm not a cop-basher by any means, but I have to agree with swingset here. There's a big difference between stopping people for probable cause and stopping everyone in the hope to find someone doing something illegal, i.e. fishing expedition.
I would appreciate the courtesy of at least waiting for me to do something illegal prior to having to prove that I am not doing something illegal. Since I'm already not doing anything illegal, I'm just being bothered for no good reason. I'm of the opinion the only people who think this is a good idea is Mothers against Drugs, Mothers against Drunk Driving, and whatever other mothers are out there. So you catch a few people with expired licenses or who had a beer with dinner at the restaurant. I just don't see the great societal advantage to a waste of my tax dollars doing this. Now, I'm sure someone will spout off with "If X happened to you, you would think differently." I really don't think so. If whatever unlikely situation happens to me, my number is up, and no matter how many checkpoints there are, it's going to happen anyway. I might be a little annoyed if someone's robbing me and all the police are out on a checkpoint somewhere!  Guys, I respect what you do for a living. It's a sucky job, but I can't possibly disagree with you more about this. I just don't see a great benefit to these checkpoints. Well, except for revenue generation for a city here or there. Go out and fight some crime. If you want to intrude on my life, bang on the door and we'll visit on the porch and have a cup of coffee. Cheers, kk7sm |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 3:47:11 AM EDT
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At least here, if you're just an illegal, they'll just let you go on your way. It's apparently illegal to arrest an illegal in these parts. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 3:53:03 AM EDT
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Ok, I'll bite: Owning a Home is a "privilege". A person does not have a right to own a home, and it is taxed just like vehicles are. Law enforcement personnel do not have any right to come into a person's home without a warrant to make sure that none of the shotguns (for example, as firearms ownership has been perverted into a privilege lately) have had the barrels sawed off. Why is it ok for forced compliance checks with the car but not the house? Roadblocks and checkpoints are illegal harrassment, no bones about it. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 3:54:55 AM EDT
[#4]
YUP! |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:09:15 AM EDT
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Singset, kk7sm, I can't agree more. If you want to go fishing, go grab a pole and find a pond.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:14:26 AM EDT
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Fishing? Logistics!!! If you are anywhere near a popular bar or casino, there is a good chance that someone is driving around drunk. A casino in town, means it is more likely that somebody is driving drunk, 24 hours of the day. Another good one is the CHAD profile. That is cowboy hat after dark. 99% likelihood of 502. It may bruise the delicate sensibilities of some individuals, but it does hammer drunks. Around these parts, while "fishing", if there is a UDA (undocumented alien) Border Patrol does roll and take them away. For that, I don't mind a little inconvenience, once in a while.  
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:17:17 AM EDT
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I went to the University Of Massachuetts (a virtual City) and the Campus Police were considered "State Police". Bomber |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:17:55 AM EDT
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You have never been stopped at the South Carolina checkpoint. They will go around, check all lights. look for windshield cracks or just about anything, they will take the depth guage to your tires
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:19:51 AM EDT
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hmmm ya know yesterday morning there were a bunch of cop cars with there lights flashing at different points around the Pentagon & a transit policeman was standing by the turnstyles at the Rossyln Metro station ...
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:25:17 AM EDT
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Well, when you see that guy in his cowboy hat driving erratically, go ahead and feel free to stop him. If I'm driving erratically, go ahead and stop me. But don't have me digging all through the glove box for papers, spilling stuff in the floor while my milk is spoiling because someone might be drinking somewhere. I'm SURE someone is driving around near a casino or nightclub drunk. I'm not arguing that. My point is that I really don't need to be hassled because someone else somewhere might be violating a law or other. I will admit I got pulled over a couple of times in 1990, but then I was doing something wrong when it happened. I've been tied up in these road flare exhibitions many times since then. And before the accusations of me having something to hide come out, I'm in my mid thirties, I have a beer about twice a month in the comfort of my own home and never drive afterwards. I have been known to operate the lawnmower after drinking a beer, but it's a push mower and not a riding mower and I keep it off the street. I'm considering buying a cowboy hat, though. Here's another: When I lived near Seattle, driving around with a twill hat on probably indicates you're a retired nearsighted Norwegian from Ballard. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:26:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Suspicious package on a bus near one of the Federal office buildings, I can't remember which one. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:32:08 AM EDT
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Just curious, but how meny illegals have been detained at state checkpoints, and turned over to the Feds? How many terrorist suspects?
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:33:25 AM EDT
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Too bad they wont setup one of them by the crachhole neighborhood where it seems everyone is uninsured, drinking and selling drugs.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:41:39 AM EDT
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Too bad they wont setup one of them by the crachhole neighborhood where it seems everyone is uninsured, drinking and selling drugs.
Too dangerous, and alot of work. Better to screw with middle class white people. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:44:54 AM EDT
[#15]
I could not agree more! Bomber |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:45:07 AM EDT
[#16]
Another Illinois Nazi. A picture I took on my last trip to Illinois, just as I crossed the border. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:48:37 AM EDT
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Please remember to use a german accent when you ask the subjects for their papers for no fucking reason. TXL |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:51:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:53:29 AM EDT
[#19]
I have seen sobriety checkpoints in MA, but NEVER license checkpoints- the libs around here, I gotta hand it to them on that, would NEVER put up with that kind of intrusion. The ACLU would be all over the MA cops like a cheap suit. They can't even do random checks on roads or streetcorners in high-crime areas of Boston w/o the NAACP crying "foul"..... Too bad they all don't feel the same way about all of the Constitution... 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:54:08 AM EDT
[#20]
= looking busy. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 4:58:11 AM EDT
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"arrest some illegals"
 Doubt it. The popo and the Feds will do nothing to deter or combat illegal immigration.  CMOS |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:00:13 AM EDT
[#22]
Zinger! |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:06:00 AM EDT
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It suddenly becomes PC when it's for the clandestine purpose of generating revenue. CA will take your car in a heartbeat and auction that bastard off. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:10:47 AM EDT
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What? Draw down? |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:17:16 AM EDT
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haha, I got pulled over a little over a week ago. Im Still not even sure why. right when it was done, I ask my friends
"so are either of you sure why we just got pulled over" nobody had a clue. Ok here is the story. We were driving to a friends house from the gas station. Pulled up at friends house, start to get out and see a cop with lights on behind me. I turn the truck off, keep my hands on the wheel. officer walks up to my side, asks for typical license, registration, POI. ME-"Im going to reach for my wallet, dont get jumpy on me ok" O1-" Thats fine" I hand him my license, ME-" now Im going to reach for the glove box ok" O1-"yep" Anyway as soon as I get him all my papers O1-" step out of the vehicle please" anyway I get out, I walk to the back of the truck with him, by this time his partner is getting ID from My friends. He asks where he knows me from. I tell Him I dont know, But Ive seen him Driving around alot. He asks me why the guy in the back was moving around when we were pulled over. I told him I dont know , that he should ask the guy in the back.  He asks if there is anything illegal in the vehicle, I tell him No. He asks if my friends have anything illegal, I tell him There is no way for me to know. Now at some point he gave me a pat down. Asking if I had anthing illegal, No I dont. He held unto my pocket knife for the rest of our contact, He asks if he can search the vehicle, I told him to go ahead. He made me stand with my hands up the entire time he searched. My friends didnt have to. While we were standing there, the partner was watching us with a flashlight. I asked him why we got pulled over. He had this I didnt do it he did response. WTF Anyway, cop came up with nothing. gave me back my papers, and we parted ways. Yes Go Police |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:19:49 AM EDT
[#26]
It's good that people bitch and complain about things like checkpoints. We could always be like our neighbors across the water [Brits] with all the attendant BS that they have to go thru with driving, plus the nanny statism of cameras everywhere and tracking devices on even our private vehicles [it's coming for them]. Funny, we the people PAY for everything infrastructure related as far as transportation goes, but it is a PRIVILIGE as far as the State believes. Never could figure that one out.
That does not mean that I should be allowed to do whatever I wish tho, I have no problem with laws concerning traffic regulation, just that an inordinate amount of resources are spent in one area while other areas of enforcement are lax. Those areas are the one's that are more violence ridden and apt to have true crime. And I know a lot of the traffic stops/checkpoints are "paid" for by Govt [fed or state] grants, same as DUI enforcement on certain occasions. It's earmarked for that purpose only. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:30:28 AM EDT
[#27]
Man... I gotta get out more. I've never been through a checkpoint yet. Heck... I've never even seen one!
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:30:54 AM EDT
[#28]
No joke there! |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:49:52 AM EDT
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+1 i am cop in a city that has approx 300,000 people and we do check points from around 23:15-23:30 and they end at approx 00:00. i think the average citizen would be surprised at the stuff we come across in the check points. we do them in high gang/crime areas usually on sat/sun nights when most people are at home or not on the road. in my area approx 30% have outstanding warrants and no DL or insurance. the catch is to stop every one and ask for the same thing DL/insurance not just the ones you think will have something wrong. stop being so paranoid about the police if you got nothing to hide then don't sweat it! that is most likely why the man making his calls didn't get hassled. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:51:55 AM EDT
[#30]
And while you were stopped, they use a Tennessee Credit Card on your gas tank! |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:54:59 AM EDT
[#31]
I went through one this past summer, heading to the Gun Club. Jeep, no top or doors, back seat full of gun cases and shotgun shells, Officer looks in the back and hands me some papers and says have a nice day. I was expecting a BIG problem as this town has a no discharge of firearms bylaw and they tend to be anal about any interaction with guns. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:55:09 AM EDT
[#32]
If they were from Uranus they would be brown, not green. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:59:23 AM EDT
[#33]
NOT IN TEXAS. i have never seen a DL checkpoint that was funded by the GOV. don't get me wrong i am not pro gov. nor do i like a big gov. but in my area these are a nessity to keep unlicensed uninsured drivers off the street and in the process we catch convicted felons and people with active warrants(both) as well as drugs. now i don't know about you but if i lived in a neighbor hood and the police wanted to do more enforcement then how would that be a bad thing unless you are doing bad things?? seems that it would only help out the community in the long run and most police ofc. don't cite for every thing they see anyway. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:07:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Draw down on 'em?  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:09:33 AM EDT
[#35]
Is this how it started in Nazi Germany? BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:15:28 AM EDT
[#36]
Translation: The ends justify the means. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:18:05 AM EDT
[#37]
Don't be paranoid when we come and search your house. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. Don't sweat it. TXL |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:18:10 AM EDT
[#38]
I wonder how many of you constitutional scholars bitch about unlicensed/insured/horrible drivers in other threads.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:19:42 AM EDT
[#39]
This has to be one of the dumbest statements posted on this board in a long time. So as long as they wind up arresting somebody then no violation of anyone else's rights occurred. Let's suppose a bunch of cops come harass you, maybe enter your home with a warrant, club you a few times in the process of questioning you, etc. According to what you say, then as long as they arrest someone (your neighbor, maybe) then there was no violation of your rights committed. Right.
Yeah, same advice the Brown Shirts gave German citizens. Same excuse Joseph McCarthy used, etc. If you are a law-abiding citizen you should be goddamn pleased to have the cops checking on your life every morning. Shit, isn't it a shame that Communist Russia fell where we could have this kind of government babysitting all the time? |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:20:22 AM EDT
[#40]
No, he just craps his pants when the officer approaches. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:21:37 AM EDT
[#41]
Thank you Senator McCarthy. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:24:03 AM EDT
[#42]
Still waiting for an answer from my post about how a "compliance check" in a vehicle is different from one in your home that would require a court order of some sort...
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:32:00 AM EDT
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While I have all three of them in the same thread I would just like to tell the 3 LEO's here, you have changed my mind on something, and that is no simple task. I am set in my ways and pretty stubborn at that.
As I grew up son of a Deputy I was always skewed in their favor. Those Gentlemen were honorable and knew their role as defenders of the Constitution. Knowing there are so many out there like the three of you guys, who think I have no rights and your authority is autonomous is not only troubling, its downright disgusting. I wasnt surprised we always had the constant LEO flame threads, as we all know there are a lot of 3 yr olds who hate authority. Now I am sadly seeing myself on the other side, as authority run amuck is indeed too shameful to sit by idly and watch silently. They need to put you guys back in shirt and ties, I think all that SWAT ninja gear is going to your head. You need to remember the Constitution every second you are on my payroll, and you need to remember you serve at our behest. If you make our lives too miserable it may come back to bite you in the ass. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:33:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Translation: The ends justify the means.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:47:14 AM EDT
[#45]
What happens when what was once "nothing to hide" becomes "something to hide" Like, oh say, being Jewish. 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:47:48 AM EDT
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It serves a couple of purposes. The obvious one is to check for drunk drivers. The secondary finds are people who don't have licenses or are driving with a suspended license, people driving cars that have expired registration, and people who freak out and act strange because they have illegal drugs in their possession or are driving a stolen vehicle or have a warrant out for their arrest. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:51:46 AM EDT
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This is a common justification. "If you have nothing to hide then why worry". To some extent it is true, but what I think some LEO forget is, when you get pulled over it is very stressful. For a lot of people, there only interaction with the police will be this traffic stop. When you know you haven't done anything wrong and you get pulled over, it's hard not to feel falsely accused. To add to the stress, there are a "percentage" of LEO who exihibit "attitude" which adds to the stress level. That "percentage" is not doing the "whole" a favor. What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Trying being nice, unless of course you get "attitude". Bomber |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:52:27 AM EDT
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It won't be long before a LEO comes on about the payroll bit and uniforms. I guarantee it. They LOVE the swattie uniforms and payroll according to them does not come from you, the taxpayer. I've met very very good cops in my area. A credit to the uniform in every sense. I've also met some that would like nothing better then to wear a certain symbol on their uniform if it gave them more power. [Like the one that told a female prisoner to give him a blowjob on the way to the hospital and he might help her get out for Christmas, like monica lewinski, evidence was at hand. He's fired at least.] |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:53:38 AM EDT
[#49]
No, you're wrong. 99% of the people on ARFCOM have to challenge authority, make their own rules, etc. ARFCOM has the most arrogant and egotistical membership anywhere on the internet. If it feels good, do it. - The ARFCOM way. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:54:43 AM EDT
[#50]
They run that gig here every so often. One cop delays you while looking at your DL & doing a "safety check", headlights, tail lights, wipers, horn and anything else obvious, another cop behind you runs your tag to verify insurance, outstanding tickets etc. A quick nod and you are on the way. Takes them 1-2 minutes per car. They bag a number of people on outstanding warrents, tow trucks standing by.
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