But here's what you said: He called BS not necesarily on that it didn' thappen to you, but that you challenged *ANYBODY* to do the same and get any sort of different result, and HE DID, and got different results.

Yup. You're right. That 'challenge' was merely a figure of speech on my part and, as such, I didn't think anybody would (or should) take it literally. I thought he was calling BS on the fact that it never happened in the first place....

Chrisle,

I guess I did go to far by calling BS, sorry. I do think it is unfair to call a certain weapon a POS because of one experience, like you said those pistols more than likely had the snot shot out of them before you got them. You know there is alot of bad PR about the AR-15 family of weapons too but that doesn't mean they are POS.

I guess it comes down to everyone has their own opinion.

By the way thanks for for service to our nation!

I thought that pre-GW1, the issue sidearm for aviators was a .38 revolver? I love my 92, but if the choice was between a Glock and a .38, I'd go Glock every time.

JohnBlade23,

Agreed. And you are correct in that one incident does not a POS make. That's why I repeatedly stated that my opinion is based on my experiences. Personally, I can no longer trust the M9 to protect my life if need be. I'm sure we can all agree that there is no perfect weapon out there. One man's idea of a perfect weapon is another's nightmare. All we can do is listen, learn and form our own opinions on what weapon is best for any given situation. Hope you had a safe and happy holiday season.....

Cool beans.  Although, honestly, if you pump 15 rounds through it, the slide *should* lock back.  Then you put a new (non-empty) magazine in it, and release the slide, and do it again [;D]

You clarified it after several called you on it.  Your original post did not stipulate "standard".  Perhaps you need to read a little closer.

Irrelevant. I was responding to YOUR post which was written well after I clarified my point. Had YOU read my follow up post before going on your tirade we wouldn't be having this conversation.




LarryG,

You're having doubts about it in what sense? Would it have anything to do with the fact that you weren't there?. I, on the other hand, have no doubts about it as I was there and can attest to their use of Glocks. I could probably dig up a few pics for ya too. On that note, I'll end this pointless argument.

Safe tour, Chris

I shot several mags through my M9, never had that big of a problem.  I cleaned the mags ever day and when I did the rounds would get stuck going up the tube while cleaning (the check mate mags are total crap) but when I actually fired it I never had a stoppage.

I saw a bunch of Glocks in the sandbox, mostly while I was briefly at Baghdad International.  Most of the people I saw carrying them were in civilian clothes doing open carry on their belts, and I am not sure who they were with - perhaps some three-letter agency or something.

I know I had to beg and borrow weapons from the unit I was attached to when I was there which was annoying to say the least quite frankly.

I have doubts, in that I don't believe you.

As for not being there, I did my time long ago.

I was referring to a post that was referring to your first post.  You are just dancing around semantics.  What you originally said was not "standard issue" and your original post was wrong.

Certain DOD and private contractors carry the Glock 17,19, and 21.  The 17 and 19 have NSN #'s and can be procured by specialized units via offical means.

The Sig P226 is also common as are custom 1911's(Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Wilson, etc.) and BHP's(mostly guys over 35 on the last two). They are purchased with private and or group funds. If need be they can be obtained via offical sources.

As most people asserted the average solider is not issued anything other than the M9(Beretta 92FS)or limited numbers of M11's(Sig P228). If they aren't high speed low drag it's a POW(approved or not)

The Glock 17/19's have been approved and procured for certain Aircrew units(USN and USAF) as well as authorized by the NIS and Army CID for certain personnel on a case by case basis. The have also been purchased in limited #'s for embassy security teams(read USMC) as well as some USAF security details assigned to NASA facilities.

The Glock handgun only KB's when retards shoot reloads or cast ammo through them.

I got here kind of late, but I'm going to call BS on his friend carrying a Glock based on the MOS he described.  The guy who started this thread said his friend is a Forward Observer.  I was a 13F which is the Army MOS for a forward observer her 6 years.  NONE of us below the rank of Captain had access to handguns. M-4, M16, M-203 yes, Glock or Beretta, no.

Uhmmm...I took my 92 out and shot 7 mags (all I have) as fast as I could w/o one problem.  The slide definately did not warp and get stuck.

From guys I have talked to the only problems they have had are slides developing cracks due to over 15,000 of NATO spec 9mm and the mags springs are totally shot due to overuse.  One friend told me he could shake the mag and rounds would fall out.

BTW mags can be loaded forever w/o hurting them.  It is the continual stressing and unstressing of the springs which finally cause them to fail.

the original intent for the M11 was for CID, then they were issued to females with small hands who cant manage a beretta, now they are a status symbols for officers and pilots.  your buddy is full of shit.