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Posted: 5/14/2004 9:56:37 AM EDT
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Dude you just perfectly described a liberal...... ETA; Isn't sean penn an idealistic guy who travels over there to help iraqis? Too bad they didn't catch him instead. I'd have a lot harder time being pissed about penn getting killed than that poor kid. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:18:35 AM EDT
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I think the reason he wasnt struglling and looked complacent before the beheading was because he thought they were making a hostage tape. He didnt know he was going to die. When they tackled him he was in shock so he didnt struggle. Makes sense to me.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:21:59 AM EDT
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I think it was really Berg BUT there still hasnt been any explanation as to why there is an ELEVEN hour lapse in time between when they pushed him to the ground and the actual cutting off of his head. If you watch the video, as sson as they push him the time at the bottom right of the tape changes and the video gets up close. Ya they killed an american and they all deserve whats coming to them, but this eleven hour lapse still puzzles me.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:22:35 AM EDT
[#4]
Yup. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:39:29 AM EDT
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The only solution to this madness is to kill as many radical muslims as possible. Whether foot soldier, propagandist, or financier, they all must die. Period.
Anyone who thinks different is dillusional. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:41:21 AM EDT
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No....they TOLD us they found his body. "They" have lied to us before. If that seems to conspiratirial to you, PROVE its his body. Go ahead. Prove it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:43:54 AM EDT
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The thinking of him not knowing doesnt sit right. when they tackled him the time on the tape changed. Watching the tape close, it seems as though they tackled him then stopped the tapeat 2:44 ELEVEN hours later at 13:45 they then beheaded him in the corner of the room. If you look really close to the tape and the enviroment the area that they tackled him in before the time change was no where near a corner of the room. After the time change they are all almost right in the corner of the room. That video is either pieced together or they just resarted the tape right where they left off. Either way the beheading is real, you can see the blood pooling on the floor in about a 2 foot area. Its sitting in the back of my mind though, that maybe he was already dead or sedated when they actualy beheaded him, that could explain the 11 hour lapse and the lack of him fighting or strugling at the time .
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:44:48 AM EDT
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I don't diagree there was "a" body. But go ahead and give me any evidence you have it was HIS body. All you know is what you have been told. By TV news and the gov't. Both of whom have a LONG hsitory of wanting you to think a certain way. Either of who could be manipulating this whole thing. Go ahead - prove it was Nick Berg's body. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:46:55 AM EDT
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Did Berg kill Wellstone with an EMP device hidden in one of his towers?
Prove he didn't, I dare you. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:51:44 AM EDT
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That is ridiculous. DIanne Feinstein killed him with an EMP hidden in her bra after a love tryst gone bad. EVERYONE knows that  |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:53:38 AM EDT
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I didn't want to say anything but seeing as how this thread is already up. I had the breif thought that maybe the CIA or NSA (or some other org.)might have been behind this to drum up support for the war. Also, there is the time delay thing and the pool of blood as opposed to squritting blood. Also, wouldn't you try your best to move around, squrim, kick ect. to try to get away from someone cutting off your head? There is only one guy holding him down, they'd have to use all 5 if it was me, I'd be moving and kicking all over the place. Something funny is going on, at least it seems that way.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:55:00 AM EDT
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I think that at this point, if anyone believes that the headless body that was found by US Troops is NOT the body of Nick Berg, it is incumbent upon them to come forward with a plausible rationale for believing so. So. Does anyone have such a plausible rationale? I haven't heard one, as yet. Eric The(Reasonable)Hun 
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Posted: 5/14/2004 10:58:14 AM EDT
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What if he had converted to islam? They did find a copy of the koran on him. If a muslim can blow himself up and go to paridise then why not let your self be drugged so you won't feel the pain and let someone jerk cut your head off? Just throwing out possibilities, don't have any hard evidence or anything. But what if.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:02:47 AM EDT
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Uh-oh, garandman, I just heard that the 'imposter' Nick Berg's funeral service today was attended by his families and friends, but all others were kept away from the service!
How far will the Berg Family carry this farce? Remains to be seen, I suppose. Eric The(Incredible)Hun
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:04:31 AM EDT
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I noticed quite a few people asking about why he was in a prison jump suit and where would they get it. I heard today that over 30 prisoners escaped from the same prison where all of the alleged abuse happened. Now, I only saw naked prisoners there so I don't know if it is the same kind of jumpsuit but that might explain it
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:11:30 AM EDT
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All of those that have a problem with the time stamp on the video. You need to watch it again.
When the video starts. The time stamp is 13:26 a few moments later it switches to 2:18. Then it jumps to 2:40. Then at 2:44 it jumps to 13:45. The terrorist clearly had two cameras. Probably two people filming. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:13:18 AM EDT
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The video was edited. The audio at the start of the cutting does not match the images. Notice the cut in the film. The video was made shorter. Listen to the screams, and carefully watch for the video edit. You'l notice, they show the begining and the END of the cutting. The middle has been removed, although the audio was left intact. The part where Berg is sreaming and struggling was REMOVED from the released film. Watch the time line jump. Some of the ideas on this thread are down right stupid. I bet some of you think Oliver Stone's film on the JFK assination was good logical evidence. 
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:19:20 AM EDT
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DNA proves who the body was.
A blood test can determine if he was drugged. Anyone in their right mind is armed over there, Nick wasn't. that is all... |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:41:49 AM EDT
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If it was a plot to get the American press off of the prison story it failed. Those scavengers are clinging to that hoping to bring down Bush with it. Frankly, I'd like to see ANY Islamic country open their prisons up Red Crescent inspections....bet there won't be any takers from the Moslems.
F those savages. We need to unleash the military on them once more and kil them all. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:49:09 AM EDT
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The CIA staged this. After they cut his head off, they put in stasis. Once they got his body back to the States, they sewed the head back on. He has since recovered and returned to his job as an undercover CIA operative. Seriously, this thread gets the "WTF???" award for the day. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:53:26 AM EDT
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For the record, I do beleive that Nick Berg was in fact slain, and his body was recovered as we have been told.
I just think he was there for "business." And I don't mean his family's business. I suspect we lost either a CIA, Mossad, or British (what are their spooks called?) intelligence officer. Its what makes the most sense to me. In fact, its puts Michael Berg's "sins of George Bush" comment in perspective. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:53:38 AM EDT
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I found somthing else to add that the video is pieced together. When the beheading starts the man in the black head cover is the one doing the cutting. Anyone notice at the end of the video, its the man in the white head cover that is doing the cutting and finally raises the head into the air?
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:57:19 AM EDT
[#23]
Never underestimate the combined power of youth and stupidity..... |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:58:11 AM EDT
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I just watched the video looks real to me................Fuck those cocksuckers............revenge will be sweet.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 11:58:15 AM EDT
[#25]
Brits would be MI-5 or MI-6. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 12:01:59 PM EDT
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Here is what we do have today. An editor resigning because his paper got duped and published fake pictures that purported to be British troops abusing Iraqis. We also have the Boston Globe apologizing for the same sort of thing but this time pornos that did not originate from the Abu Ghraid prison. Those are real (OK more real....always have to leave a little room for CIA, Mossad etc.) news items from accountable sources.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 12:03:32 PM EDT
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I posted this on a similar thread... www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=243617&page=3 I REALLY doubt he was a spook. It just doesn’t make any sense. The guy was a white American Jew. Sending him in to infiltrate al Qaeda would be like sending a black female Catholic in to infiltrate an all-gay male satanic KKK group. It would be murder to send him in, and it would be suicide to accept such a mission. Unless the CIA was trying to confuse the terrorists by the pure irony of the situation… Don’t you think the CIA has Arab looking agents in Iraq and elsewhere? People that can speak the language and fake the same beliefs. Even if they don’t, surely they have turned some Iraqis. I really doubt they would send in an American Jew unless they were out of all other options. If he really was a spook, I bet we wouldn't be hearing so much screaming from his parents. I doubt the CIA recruits agents who have anti-war/anti-gov't parents because there would be too much risk of the parents blowing the whistle (if they discovered who was signing their son's paycheck). And if the 'family' is employed by the CIA, I doubt they would want this much media attention. Besides, IF he was CIA, don’t you think his murders would be rejoicing over the capture and murder of an enemy spy??? If they even had a hint that he was a spy, I guarantee they would be bragging about it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:03:34 PM EDT
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He had a VERY Arabic style beard cut going on. This will sound awful but, 'tween you and me, I often can't tell the difference between a Jew and an Arab by facial charachteristics. I'll use BHD to illustrate - Remember the guy on the bike at the beginning of the movie doing intel work in the Mog? Few were whiter than him, amidst a sea of ...uhmmm....skinnies. You don't always have to perfectly blend in.
Actually, anti American parents would be the perfect cover. And far as the father catterwalling, that makes sense too. If N Berg was a spook, his parents would know scant little other than he would disappear for months at a time with no explanation. The father would see that as George Bush's doing. And it would have a much greater culpability in the fathers mind than some extraneous connection between Abu Graib.
Well, were NOT dealing with people who even have a human brain. What makes sense to them makes NO sense to you and me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:05:44 PM EDT
[#29]
+1 This is probably the best reasoning I've seen in this thread. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:19:54 PM EDT
[#30]
YOU might not be able to tell the difference, but I'm sure THEY could. For example, you might not be able to tell a Japanese person from a Korean, but I bet a Korean can tell the difference. And BHD was a movie. For all you know they added that part for entertainment value. But if we're using BHD for an example, remember who drove the taxi to mark the site of the meeting? Yeah, it was a native person who was a paid informant.
I disagree. The louder the father screams, the more people take notice. If you talked to me two days ago, I didn't think anything was suspicious, now after hearing his dad's rants, I'm start to wonder what really went down. I'm no spook, but I would think the key to keeping your agents alive is to keep a low profile, even when one of them gets killed. You'd want the guy buried and you'd want people to forget about the incident as soon as possible. *edited to add... Nick was supposedly working for his dad, so surely he had some control over the son. You wouldn't want an agent on a tight leash, who has to report in to dad everyday (assuming dad isn't also on the gov't payroll). |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:26:42 PM EDT
[#31]
My bottom line is this -
There's still alot of weirdness to this, and I doubt we'll ever know the truth. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:27:06 PM EDT
[#32]
It's amazing, isn't it. This place goes from furor over the deed to sounding like DU within 2 days. Do many of you realize you sound just like DU, that you sound like Muslim apologists, or even sympathizers? Of course, with some, the hatred of Israel tracks right along with this bullshit. BTW, garandman, the "empty space" in your avatar refers to the space between your ears. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:29:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Maybe was verified as a terrorist helping scumbag by the CIA, so they cut his head off and distributed a video tape of it in an attempt to draw off some of the prison scandel heat. Sounds good to me. I like this conspiracy theory stuff. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:30:03 PM EDT
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No, libs say that because they hate America. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:31:43 PM EDT
[#35]
As usual, you can never pass up the opportuntiy to personally insult me and attack me. Ding, ding. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:33:49 PM EDT
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+1 Get over it people. It wasn't faked! Sure, there's some strange things about the whole situation, but you know what? That's because the information we're getting is 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th... (you get the idea) hand. How long do you think it will be before Fox has a show about this? Yeah...just like the moon landing was fake...  
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:34:15 PM EDT
[#37]
You and Imbroglio should form a support group.
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:36:56 PM EDT
[#38]
That's right because you deserve it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:38:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Actually, I may BE Imbroglio.  Here's a little secret - the threads I start, often I put some fairly outlandish stuff in them, just to test and see who is capable of thinking outside the box they have been handed by the gov't and the media. I'll follow the thread opener with some starter fuel, just to get things going. Is that arrogant of me? Sure. Its like ya'll are my little lab rats. Some come thru with flying colors - disagreement, but at least honest, thoughtful discussion. In stark contrast to to that is LarryG. Canned insults and insipid attacks. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:39:15 PM EDT
[#40]
Chill out or take it offline or to the pit! |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:40:09 PM EDT
[#41]
Maybe there never was a Nick Berg. Maybe Michael Berg IS Nick Berg, and there is no Michael Berg. Maybe Nick Berg is really Osama Bin Laden. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:40:39 PM EDT
[#42]
Take it up with the guy who started it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:41:36 PM EDT
[#43]
that would be why I quoted his last post! 
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Posted: 5/14/2004 1:46:43 PM EDT
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I think, if there IS anything to all the coincidences (and let me state that I am NOT saying there is) that the most likely scenario in that case is that Berg was a wannabe. He travelled to Israel, then to north Africa, then to Iraq. We know he was the opposite of his father politically.
I think that, at some point, he went to either the CIA or the Mossad and said "I can use my dad's company to get into Iraq. Maybe I can work for you guys." And they said "Go ahead, see what you can do and we'll contact you later." They picked him up, found out he was worthless (mostly because he couldn't speak the language...he was trying to learn at the time of his death) and offered him a flight out. He said no, thinking he could do more, took the wrong risk with the wrong people and wound up being captured. That's not what I believe happened, but it's a possibility that would fit the facts. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 2:21:56 PM EDT
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If Nick Berg is really Osama Bin Laden, wouldn't there have been more blood when they faked cutting his head off? |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 2:49:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2004 4:07:39 PM EDT
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I'm leaning towards this myself. The only one claiming he was "pro-war, pro-Bush" is his father, and his father is hardly politically objective. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 4:11:12 PM EDT
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IIRC, Richard Pearl was offered drugs, and refused. Burg may have accepted . . . |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 4:19:15 PM EDT
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The hippie left seems inclined towards acts of stupidity, particularly with respect to assumptions about how people or animals will inherently be nice to unarmed, defensless well-wishers. Remember that nut who got himslef and his girlfriend killed by a Grizzly, because he insisted on studying them up close without any weapons? And I can think of others who have traveled in places like Africa, only to become something or someone's food. Hell, a lefty friend of mine back in the day wanted to go down to Nicuragua to support the Sandistas in some sort of "Peace Corp" type of job, in part to counter the Reagan administrations support for the Contras (he chickened out). I'm not sure it's limited to Hippies, either. Back in Stalins day, lots of American "fellow travelers" went to the USSR to help out. A good percentage ended up in frozzen ground somewhere. |
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Posted: 5/14/2004 4:21:32 PM EDT
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Uh, ya think maybe the terrorist left the stuff with his body?
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