this bailout is an even bigger joke than the financial market one
the hole in the bottom of the bucket hasn't been fixed so it's just going to flow right out

it's going to get to the point where the middle class says fuck it and all go on welfare

Vote for the lessor evil, this election is too close to 'throw your vote away' on a third party, etc etc.

People around here (meaning arfcom) don't have the balls to vote 3rd party, so why does everyone think they're going to lock and load?

He's correct.  It is NOT our money.  Our national government is broke. It is China's money.  We will just have to pay them back.

The government has not served the people since just prior to the onset of the Civil War. It was just in a slow spiral downward until everyone got the privilege of voting.

Voting is ineffective and IMO, useless. Contacting your "representatives" is essentially the same. This country has been far too long without a correction. Hopefully, if one happens, it will fucking eradicate every one of the socialist and leftist fucksticks, as well as the legislation they have forced upon the masses.

A very small percentage of the population actively supported the Revolutionary War..............................................

In before Dave_A.

Ya know... The jackass is right.

It isn't OUR money.

The dollar is a promisary note. An IOU.

We Pay our debts with IOU notes.

Together we run up a national deficit measured in IOU notes.

Has anybody ever collected exactly what it is the note is against?

So, we all are running around with IOU's and don't want to give a bunch of IOU's to the big three who have run into owing more IOU's  than they take in.

Nope.... whoever all those IOU's belong to it ain't us, it's "Them".

I can't be us, we have a national debt and are completely out of Money.

Maybe Obama has some money?

Arrogant assholes!

S-28

In communist Russia, the people had no money. Now the American people have no money says the gov.. Parrallels?

You sure about that? I know it is from last year, but I doubt it changed much percent wise.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/

And any of you were expecting a Senator from Michigan (Detroit motor city anyone?) to use common sense and free market theory? He still wants to be reelected so of course he's going to try and back an auto maker bailout.

Hear that? It's the sound of the GOP's death shudder.

...gasp...

Woot! All dead. Time for new Overlords.

he is correct.  at this level of deficit spending and national debt, it's not our money, it's going to be our children's and grandchildren's money.

Damn it,  I'm running for President in 2012.  Who'll support me?


My platform is simple:   The government is far, FAR too big, too bloated, and has amassed too much power.   I propose to cut it off virtually at the knees,   eliminate NINETY PERCENT of all government offices and jobs EXCEPT not touch the Armed Services,   COMPLETELY
eliminate several useless regulatory agencies like the BATFE,  leaving the FBI to handle
enforcement of only the laws AS THEY ARE WRITTEN,  and in general do everything in my
power to take power AWAY from the government that has STOLEN it from you and GIVE THAT
POWER BACK TO YOU.

This will be a government that's like the ideal penis:  Small enough to be ignored when you
don't need it,  big enough to be useful and effective when the time comes to put it to work.

My primary means of getting what I want:  Simple.  If I don't get what I want,  EVERYTHING
that Congress does gets VETOED.   Even the most essential legislation and maintenance
bills will get vetoed if I don't get what I want.       And I'll be quite happy to make
campaign trips to individual states and rile up the population in order to get them to
recall the senators and representatives (and governors) that are doing a bad job.

I'd be the only President in history to have a formal, published good guy/bad guy list,
and if you get on the bad guy list,  I'll be exerting a great deal of influence to get your
ass booted out of office by your state's citizens.

Organizations that have as their stated purpose the intent to change the Constitution or
Bill of Rights, such as VPC, the Brady Campaign, MoveOn.org,  and others, would be
declared to be subversive organizations and the leadership imprisoned for treason,
with a chance of executions if they're unrepentant.     Changes to the Constitution and
Bill of Rights are the sole province of Congress,  and, in the case of a Constitutional
Convention,  the people of the states.

The UN is kicked out flat on its ass and their headquarters building is seized and turned
into something actually USEFUL for a change.   Like free housing for the homeless.  

Special order to all U.S. military personnel:  The lowliest new recruit shall consider himself
to outrank even the highest General Officer IF that General is wearing any uniform item or
insignia of the United Nations,  or is working for the United Nations.   No US serviceman
shall under any circumstances treat any order or directive from any individual or
representative of the UN as a valid order or directive.  It is to be ignored.


The CMP is hereby ordered to begin procuring fully automatic weapons from military
arsenals and prepare them for sale to qualified civilians via the CMP's usual channels,
and these weapons are to be kept in fully automatic and fully functional condition.  Their
registry in the NFA is ordered by executive order in addition to an executive order
giving all citizens the right to register any firearm of their choosing as any class of NFA
item (including several classes) for the duration of an open-ended amnesty registration
period,  which is to begin immediately and is to end only upon issuance of an executive
order ending it.  (Which I will never order.)

The surplus systems used by the government, including the DRMO/DRMS systems,  are
hereby ordered to eliminate all demil codes from their lists that compel usable vehicles
and weaponry to be destroyed before offering them for sale to the public.   While the
government shall retain the right to track the items in question after sale,  it will not
be allowed for them to be destroyed prior to sale.    

I could go on...


CJ

it's time.  Someone tell me it's time.  is it time yet?



CMJOHNSON, you got my vote. I'm serious.  Run and I will run your org in the west.

Well, we do not pay them any longer.

They forceably confiscate your wealth by rule of law, keep some for themselves, and then redistribute it to others.

They're right - it isn't your money.  If it was you'd have control over it.

Who the fuck was that piece of gelatinous shit?  

I thought the democrats were going to implode and split.  Looks like it might be the republicans.

I'll take the veep position...  lets do it.

Cavuto let that one go WAY too easy... he should have come unglued on him and forced the prick to walk off the set!

They get the money, it just delays the inevitable.  Chapter 11 be done with it.

Their
registry in the NFA is ordered by executive order in addition to an executive order
giving all citizens the right to register any firearm of their choosing as any class of NFA
item (including several classes) for the duration of an open-ended amnesty registration
period, which is to begin immediately and is to end only upon issuance of an executive
order ending it. (Which I will never order.)


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You had me right up until there , FUCK REGISTRATION !!!! ( but I'll still vote for you since it's better than anyone else will come up with. )

Yes he is a Republican.  However look at where he is from––MI.  He has a vested interest in the bail out over riding any other concerns.

Dibs on SecDef.

Maybe it's just some takeout they ordered from the Treasury Department's printing press.

Tar and feather?  or just go straight to the rope?

Called this by ~11 hrs.  As long as one of the party is the felon, it's all excusable.

Being labeled a terrorist by the state, and killed/jailed accordingly.

we dont elect them.  Lobbyists, organized labor, special interest groups, etc brainwash the masses to elect them.  The educated voter is the extreme minority my friend.  ha dthe founders known what we would be like now they would have instituted term limits in Congress.

I don't even know what to say anymore.

That arrogant bastard....


I'm opting out.  It is NOT patriotic to pay higher taxes. Us tax payers are nothing more than enablers.  It would be smarter and kinder to give your money to Crack Heads, Coke Whores and Winos.  At least they would show some appreciation.

The only way our government is going to be reformed is the same way that the USSR did.  Bankruptcy.

I'm not going to cheat in any way, but I AM going to use every deduction I possibly can.  For example, I'm going to max out my IRA contribution until it hurts.  I'll give to charity and buy another house for the mortgage deduction.

The government has truly passed the point of no return.  They aren't going to change until they can no longer steal, beg, or borrow any more money.  

not really. they know you people wont do anything and they also know in the namesake of social acceptance and political correctness you'll condemn immediately anyone who really does do anything. People on this board bark a lot, but that's it. They wont do anything. They'll give some lame excuse "oh well you just don't do things like that." or "oh, well I was just blowing steam....errr.. yeah that!"  They've actually got the priorities set pretty well.

No sir, it is the Jury box.  The cartridge box is fourth.

Neither do I.



I've said all there is to say, and I've said it to anyone who'd listen. It doesn't work. Nobody cares. So now, I'm just going to sit and watch.



 

He may be a jackass... But he's one jackass closer to the GOP getting Congress back in '10...

Remember: They don't all have to be 'ideologically correct', as long as they vote for the right leadership, that is....

and please define the right leadership because McCain, Romney, Huckabee..... none of them are it. They're as phony as the cheap suits they wear.

He's already been voted out.

The Republican party deserves to die off now. I am done voting for anybody with a (R) behind their name. McCain was the last time I will do it. From now on only Libertarians and possibly Independents get votes from me.

Given past trends they will likely take their failure as a sign that they need to run more liberal candidates.

CONGRESSIONAL leadership...

The folks who will replace Reid & Pelosi...

Eg Sen Mitch McConell & (??) in Congress (Paul Ryan, maybe?)....

So then what the fuck is he doing talking about the GM bailout...

+1.

F*cking jerk.

It's not a bailout for the auto industry, its a bailout for the UAW.

If you want to heal the auto industry, let then file Chapter 11 and reorganize without the burden of stupid decisions made in the past.

Because theres this thing called a lame duck congress, Dave.

I just emailed him.

He's one of my douche bag reps.

Mencken wrote as follows about the difficulties of good men reaching national office when such campaigns must necessarily be conducted remotely:

"The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
"The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." (Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920)


I think we are there.

Lem

No, we don't pay nearly enough to get the best and brightest.  We do pay enough to get the scumbags and thieves.





5sub

I hate arrogant douchebags like that guy.  I hope I hear about him in the news again.  

If we're lucky, the news story will have the words 'carjacking' 'former congressman' and 'slain' all in the same sentence.

Our country is doomed, because so many people support their agenda instead of their nation.

He's right.

It is NOT my money.

If you are paying one dime more than you have to, you're just as bad as the enemy.

Worse.

THEY can't afford to fund their own dreams. Their only hope is to con you into buying it FOR them.

+1


FUCK REPUBLICANS
FUCK DEMOCRATS
FUCK OBAMA