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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:22:05 PM EDT
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If it wasn't for its heritage and history, I think most people would probably consider the 911 pretty "ugly"
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:28:44 PM EDT
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Not crazy about the look but I'm sure its a badass ride
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:31:44 PM EDT
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Porsche did send us a very nice hard-cover coffee table book about the new Panamera, hoping to sell us one, no doubt. University professors apparently get paid too much  
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:35:52 PM EDT
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I don't think it's an ugly car, seems more practical than most sports cars while still having excellent performance.
If I wanted a fun car in the 100-150k range I would be more tempted to go with a Tesla P100D like my next door neighbor.\. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:50:21 PM EDT
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I don't think it's an ugly car, seems more practical than most sports cars while still having excellent performance. If I wanted a fun car in the 100-150k range I would be more tempted to go with a Tesla P100D like my next door neighbor.\. My wife and I thought about the Tesla before buying the Panamera. But, there were several problems with the Tesla that pretty much eliminated it from contention. First of all, the Tesla was not available in AWD/4WD, which the Panamera is. That might seem like a small thing, until you realize (as we have) that here in the D.C. area, pretty much ALL of the Teslas (and there are a lot of them) disappear from the roads in the winter. People are apparently not willing to drive their electric toys in the snow/sleet/ice. Because my wife needed a daily driver, this was a very bad sign. The second issue is that her work sometimes takes her 120+ miles in a day (commuting back and forth) - and we were simply not convinced that a Tesla in the winter (with reduced battery range due to cold) could reliably take her all the way from home and back, including the possibility of being stuck in a snow/accident caused jam on the beltway or 95. So while there are a lot of cool things about the Tesla, it simply wasn't a viable choice. Plus, as a final consideration, the interior and backseat of the Tesla looks and feels like crap, whereas the Panamera is incredibly luxurious and comfortable. It really was no contest. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:55:24 PM EDT
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I didn't think it looked bad at all. The only way I could begin to justify spending that kind of money is because of the back seat. I do have Grand-kids. Not very traditional from a porsche perspective but I like it. Looks good. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Gay
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Posted: 1/29/2017 8:59:42 PM EDT
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Trust me, my wife does not read ar15.com. It is absolutely incredible to drive. A good friend of my family used to own a big tire shop. When they came out with the Panamera, he was invited to an event at Summit Point to show them off. Basically, a bunch of Porsche guys giving rides around the track with various dealers, frequent customers, etc. At the time, my friend was racing an Integra in what is now the Continental Tire Sportscar Challenge. He said, with 4 people in the car, they were braking later into the corners than he did in his race car (half the weight, on slicks). Came away very impressed. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:01:37 PM EDT
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A good friend of my family used to own a big tire shop. When they came out with the Panamera, he was invited to an event at Summit Point to show them off. Basically, a bunch of Porsche guys giving rides around the track with various dealers, frequent customers, etc. At the time, my friend was racing an Integra in what is now the Continental Tire Sportscar Challenge. He said, with 4 people in the car, they were braking later into the corners than he did in his race car. Came away very impressed. The standard brakes on it are fucking gigantic.
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:05:42 PM EDT
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Aren't most cars sold in the US electronically governed at 155? Also, purchase or lease? I wouldn't waste my money on one of those German shit boxes. I believe it's 184 mph (200 kph?) per some international agreement. Hot bikes can easily exceed that number but the RPM's in top gear are limited by programming in the engine ECU. Aftermarket black boxes tell the ECU that the trans is in 5th, not 6th and thus give full RPM range and 200+ mph capability. Pretty sure it's the same for cars. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:08:17 PM EDT
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Trust me, my wife does not read ar15.com. It is absolutely incredible to drive. I thought targettarget was your wife's account. 
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:12:49 PM EDT
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Too bad it's such an unfortunate looking car...  .
(And this is coming from a Porsche owner) Seconded.....Ugly as fuck. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:20:01 PM EDT
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The standard brakes on it are fucking gigantic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A good friend of my family used to own a big tire shop. When they came out with the Panamera, he was invited to an event at Summit Point to show them off. Basically, a bunch of Porsche guys giving rides around the track with various dealers, frequent customers, etc. At the time, my friend was racing an Integra in what is now the Continental Tire Sportscar Challenge. He said, with 4 people in the car, they were braking later into the corners than he did in his race car. Came away very impressed. The standard brakes on it are fucking gigantic. Just googled, they're 15.3". fuck Also, about the Tesla. I was under the impression that the D models are AWD |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:20:11 PM EDT
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Teslas are impressive cars but their build issues have held me back. I'm sure they will continue to improve as the brand matures. Plus, for the price of admission, the interior quality is lacking compared to German rivals.
That being said, there is nothing quite like flooring a P100D with Ludicrous from a stop, especially without the soundtrack of an internal-combustion engine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't think it's an ugly car, seems more practical than most sports cars while still having excellent performance. If I wanted a fun car in the 100-150k range I would be more tempted to go with a Tesla P100D like my next door neighbor.\. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:27:16 PM EDT
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I am forced to wonder what the people ragging on its looks drive.
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:29:04 PM EDT
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It may not have the classic Porsche profile but it looks a bit like an Aston Martin. Personally, I think it is a beautiful car.
When My friend did his launch control run it was on a road lined with trees. I had forgotten it was four wheel drive and all I could think about was how screwed we would be if the back end broke loose. Honestly, it was a little frightening. The car is so frigging fast that you don't need to use launch control. I noticed no turbo lag but I did not get to drive it so couldn't tell for sure. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:33:04 PM EDT
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The ugliest porsch out side that suv. :(
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:34:41 PM EDT
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F&SPNI.
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:40:05 PM EDT
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My wife and I thought about the Tesla before buying the Panamera. But, there were several problems with the Tesla that pretty much eliminated it from contention. First of all, the Tesla was not available in AWD/4WD, which the Panamera is. That might seem like a small thing, until you realize (as we have) that here in the D.C. area, pretty much ALL of the Teslas (and there are a lot of them) disappear from the roads in the winter. People are apparently not willing to drive their electric toys in the snow/sleet/ice. Because my wife needed a daily driver, this was a very bad sign. The second issue is that her work sometimes takes her 120+ miles in a day (commuting back and forth) - and we were simply not convinced that a Tesla in the winter (with reduced battery range due to cold) could reliably take her all the way from home and back, including the possibility of being stuck in a snow/accident caused jam on the beltway or 95. So while there are a lot of cool things about the Tesla, it simply wasn't a viable choice. Plus, as a final consideration, the interior and backseat of the Tesla looks and feels like crap, whereas the Panamera is incredibly luxurious and comfortable. It really was no contest. Appreciate the feedback. A fun car would probably end up being a summer weekbnd / no kids car for me but the lack of AWD would really restrict it's use to what I "wanted" with no leeway to use it the other 9 months of the year .
Side story: DC/NOVA is the only place I've ever had issues with snow on the road, back in 1999 there was a big snow storm and I was headed to work on I-66 in Rosslyn just past Arlington cemetery and I came around the bend by the Francis Scott Lee bridge to see 2 of 3 lanes blocked by crashed cars, I managed to weave my way through as I couldn't stop in time but ended up in a snowbank on the side of the road. It took three hours to get a tow truck to pull me out and in that time I must have had 30+ unmarked (assorded Federal LEO agency) cars stop to check on me. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:43:38 PM EDT
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Appreciate the feedback. A fun car would probably end up being a summer weekbnd / no kids car for me but the lack of AWD would really restrict it's use to what I "wanted" with no leeway to use it the other 9 months of the year .Quote HistoryQuoted:
Appreciate the feedback. A fun car would probably end up being a summer weekbnd / no kids car for me but the lack of AWD would really restrict it's use to what I "wanted" with no leeway to use it the other 9 months of the year .To be fair, I am certain there is a Tesla available now that has AWD - but it wasn't around when we were buying the Panamera. Side story: DC/NOVA is the only place I've ever had issues with snow on the road, back in 1999 there was a big snow storm and I was headed to work on I-66 in Rosslyn just past Arlington cemetery and I came around the bend by the Francis Scott Lee bridge to see 2 of 3 lanes blocked by crashed cars, I managed to weave my way through as I couldn't stop in time but ended up in a snowbank on the side of the road. It took three hours to get a tow truck to pull me out and in that time I must have had 30+ unmarked (assorded Federal LEO agency) cars stop to check on me. Yeah, snow in DC/NoVA can really suck. I had to go to campus one day after a big storm, and I stopped counting abandoned/stranded cars when I got to 50.
Fortunately, in addition to the AWD on the Panamera, we also put really good winter tires on it every winter, so she can just power through almost any snow/sleep you can imagine. To her, the danger is other drivers. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:43:47 PM EDT
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The spoiler deployment on the new Panamera is a thing of beauty, however I can't get comfortable with the fastback 4-door coupe aesthetic. Second gen much better looking than the first, but that's not saying much. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1F6MiBQv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nxjhkp1pz841domx6217.gif I really like it alot, but Porsche needs to do less 928 and somthing that looks more like the A7 |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:45:41 PM EDT
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I am forced to wonder what the people ragging on its looks drive. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:46:16 PM EDT
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I really like it alot, but Porsche needs to do less 928 and somthing that looks more like the A7 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The spoiler deployment on the new Panamera is a thing of beauty, however I can't get comfortable with the fastback 4-door coupe aesthetic. Second gen much better looking than the first, but that's not saying much. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1F6MiBQv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nxjhkp1pz841domx6217.gif I really like it alot, but Porsche needs to do less 928 and somthing that looks more like the A7 You are correct in the sense that the Panamera seems to be based on the concept of a 4-door 928, as the Porsche 989 prototype from the late 1980s. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:46:26 PM EDT
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The spoiler deployment on the new Panamera is a thing of beauty, however I can't get comfortable with the fastback 4-door coupe aesthetic. Second gen much better looking than the first, but that's not saying much. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1F6MiBQv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nxjhkp1pz841domx6217.gif |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:48:11 PM EDT
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You know those times when you're driving down the road, and you approach a cyclist, incredible blond hair, perfect legs, a perfect arse tightly wrapped in lycra - then when you pass realise it's a guy?
That's how a Panamera looks. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:51:25 PM EDT
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I am forced to wonder what the people ragging on its looks drive. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:51:40 PM EDT
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I wonder how common and strong this opinion would actually be if Top Gear hadn't relentlessly made the point about how ugly they thought the Panamera was. 
My wife actually like the first gen model better than the new second gen. Porsche did send us a very nice hard-cover coffee table book about the new Panamera, hoping to sell us one, no doubt. I believe the consensus that it looks like a boiled anus existed well before the TG review. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:55:08 PM EDT
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Why did dude get s souped up Avalon and not a Cayman GT4???
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Posted: 1/29/2017 9:58:20 PM EDT
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The ugliest porsch out side that suv. :( it's funny how the 4wd magazines were all amazed at that SUV's capabilities offroad. Put everything else to shame. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:00:13 PM EDT
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I like them, however the M6 GT or the F10 & E60 M5 look a lot better.
Also, the 2008 to 2010 E60 550I M-Sport & E39 M5 are still hard to beat in the looks department Cowpunk |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:04:12 PM EDT
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And ugly as sin while doing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Buddy bought the top of the line Panamera. 550 hp and 0 to 60 in about 3.4 seconds. He did a couple of speed runs using the launch control mode where you stand on the brake and floor the gas to build up turbo boost. Oh my God! I can understand how people with super fast cars can wipe out and kill themselves. This one has four wheel drive and tracked straight but things are happening so fast that if something went wrong I wouldn't have time to react. He took it up to 170 mph before he backed off. I would love to own one myself. It sure would make passing on the freeway fun. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:13:00 PM EDT
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A Buddy bought the top of the line Panamera. 550 hp and 0 to 60 in about 3.4 seconds. He did a couple of speed runs using the launch control mode where you stand on the brake and floor the gas to build up turbo boost. Oh my God! I can understand how people with super fast cars can wipe out and kill themselves. This one has four wheel drive and tracked straight but things are happening so fast that if something went wrong I wouldn't have time to react. He took it up to 170 mph before he backed off. I would love to own one myself. It sure would make passing on the freeway fun. meh ugliest car on the road Porsche 911 is only Porsche |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:14:50 PM EDT
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A Buddy bought the top of the line Panamera. 550 hp and 0 to 60 in about 3.4 seconds. He did a couple of speed runs using the launch control mode where you stand on the brake and floor the gas to build up turbo boost. Oh my God! I can understand how people with super fast cars can wipe out and kill themselves. This one has four wheel drive and tracked straight but things are happening so fast that if something went wrong I wouldn't have time to react. He took it up to 170 mph before he backed off. I would love to own one myself. It sure would make passing on the freeway fun. At what track did he do this? Certainly he is not a complete shit bag who would being that on a public road, right? In many to most places, driving like that would be a felony. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:15:18 PM EDT
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I like the Panamera its about time Porsche challenged
mercedes and bmw in the sedan business |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:21:41 PM EDT
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I believe it's 184 mph (200 kph?) per some international agreement. Hot bikes can easily exceed that number but the RPM's in top gear are limited by programming in the engine ECU. Aftermarket black boxes tell the ECU that the trans is in 5th, not 6th and thus give full RPM range and 200+ mph capability. Pretty sure it's the same for cars. Not true for cars. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:35:53 PM EDT
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buddy of mine bought a twin turbo Carrera 2 in 04, we used to make a speed run <edited> of 147 miles for breakfast in Soldotna, we could make it in an hour and 45 minutes, he did it in 55min. Of course the road is much better now with 90% of the corners gone until Kenai lake. He parked at a store one day and some fucking punks keyed it, made me sick, he had to ship it out of state to get it repainted, over $30 grand Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Buddy bought the top of the line Panamera. 550 hp and 0 to 60 in about 3.4 seconds. He did a couple of speed runs using the launch control mode where you stand on the brake and floor the gas to build up turbo boost. Oh my God! I can understand how people with super fast cars can wipe out and kill themselves. This one has four wheel drive and tracked straight but things are happening so fast that if something went wrong I wouldn't have time to react. He took it up to 170 mph before he backed off. I would love to own one myself. It sure would make passing on the freeway fun. He parked at a store one day and some fucking punks keyed it, made me sick, he had to ship it out of state to get it repainted, over $30 grand Karma is a bitch. Your friend has no regard for others, and they have have no regard for his car. Meh. Shit balances out. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:40:17 PM EDT
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gen1 ugly as sin
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:43:40 PM EDT
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Exactly. Porsche is profitable because of the FIFY Not just re-badged. The running gear is common, the rest, unique. It causes the Porsche and Audi to be profitable and the Toureg to be expensive. TC |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:46:11 PM EDT
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The spoiler deployment on the new Panamera is a thing of beauty, however I can't get comfortable with the fastback 4-door coupe aesthetic. Second gen much better looking than the first, but that's not saying much. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1F6MiBQv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nxjhkp1pz841domx6217.gif and the self-deploying spoiler will include its own suite of sensors, hydraulic controls, and a proprietary diagnostic/control module not accessible via CANbus |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:47:12 PM EDT
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Why did dude get s souped up Avalon and not a Cayman GT4??? lol |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 10:48:34 PM EDT
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Gay Yeah, well, your avatar says "Cummins Diesel" so you kind of removed yourself from the conversation... TC |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:00:22 PM EDT
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I am forced to wonder what the people ragging on its looks drive. AMG C63 BMW 328xi Wagon (6-spd) ES330 (Dad's car. )
911 (sold) I try to avoid dick-measuring contests but you started it. 
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:01:11 PM EDT
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My wife and I thought about the Tesla before buying the Panamera. But, there were several problems with the Tesla that pretty much eliminated it from contention. First of all, the Tesla was not available in AWD/4WD, which the Panamera is. That might seem like a small thing, until you realize (as we have) that here in the D.C. area, pretty much ALL of the Teslas (and there are a lot of them) disappear from the roads in the winter. People are apparently not willing to drive their electric toys in the snow/sleet/ice. Because my wife needed a daily driver, this was a very bad sign. The second issue is that her work sometimes takes her 120+ miles in a day (commuting back and forth) - and we were simply not convinced that a Tesla in the winter (with reduced battery range due to cold) could reliably take her all the way from home and back, including the possibility of being stuck in a snow/accident caused jam on the beltway or 95. So while there are a lot of cool things about the Tesla, it simply wasn't a viable choice. Plus, as a final consideration, the interior and backseat of the Tesla looks and feels like crap, whereas the Panamera is incredibly luxurious and comfortable. It really was no contest. You're a professor and didn't research the Tesla models? D is AWD.
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:01:51 PM EDT
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You're a professor and didn't research the Tesla models? D is AWD.
/dkproflol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife and I thought about the Tesla before buying the Panamera. But, there were several problems with the Tesla that pretty much eliminated it from contention. First of all, the Tesla was not available in AWD/4WD, which the Panamera is. That might seem like a small thing, until you realize (as we have) that here in the D.C. area, pretty much ALL of the Teslas (and there are a lot of them) disappear from the roads in the winter. People are apparently not willing to drive their electric toys in the snow/sleet/ice. Because my wife needed a daily driver, this was a very bad sign. The second issue is that her work sometimes takes her 120+ miles in a day (commuting back and forth) - and we were simply not convinced that a Tesla in the winter (with reduced battery range due to cold) could reliably take her all the way from home and back, including the possibility of being stuck in a snow/accident caused jam on the beltway or 95. So while there are a lot of cool things about the Tesla, it simply wasn't a viable choice. Plus, as a final consideration, the interior and backseat of the Tesla looks and feels like crap, whereas the Panamera is incredibly luxurious and comfortable. It really was no contest. You're a professor and didn't research the Tesla models? D is AWD.
/dkproflol Wasn't out when we bought the Panamera. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:03:58 PM EDT
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Haters gonna hate. I like the Panamera. This. I think they look great. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:07:19 PM EDT
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Wasn't out when we bought the Panamera. I retract my earlier comment. No hate on the Panamera BTW. Incredibly practical car. If they resale ever dips I'll snag a turbo. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:11:22 PM EDT
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That's a woman's porsche
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:23:23 PM EDT
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I was looking at Audis at the dealership and the sales guy showed me one. I'd never seen one before, and right away I told my wife I just didn't care for the looks.
I ended up with an E63. It doesn't look very sexy, but man is it fun to drive. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:26:44 PM EDT
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To be fair, I am certain there is a Tesla available now that has AWD - but it wasn't around when we were buying the Panamera. Yeah, snow in DC/NoVA can really suck. I had to go to campus one day after a big storm, and I stopped counting abandoned/stranded cars when I got to 50.
Fortunately, in addition to the AWD on the Panamera, we also put really good winter tires on it every winter, so she can just power through almost any snow/sleep you can imagine. To her, the danger is other drivers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Appreciate the feedback. A fun car would probably end up being a summer weekbnd / no kids car for me but the lack of AWD would really restrict it's use to what I "wanted" with no leeway to use it the other 9 months of the year .To be fair, I am certain there is a Tesla available now that has AWD - but it wasn't around when we were buying the Panamera. Side story: DC/NOVA is the only place I've ever had issues with snow on the road, back in 1999 there was a big snow storm and I was headed to work on I-66 in Rosslyn just past Arlington cemetery and I came around the bend by the Francis Scott Lee bridge to see 2 of 3 lanes blocked by crashed cars, I managed to weave my way through as I couldn't stop in time but ended up in a snowbank on the side of the road. It took three hours to get a tow truck to pull me out and in that time I must have had 30+ unmarked (assorded Federal LEO agency) cars stop to check on me. Yeah, snow in DC/NoVA can really suck. I had to go to campus one day after a big storm, and I stopped counting abandoned/stranded cars when I got to 50.
Fortunately, in addition to the AWD on the Panamera, we also put really good winter tires on it every winter, so she can just power through almost any snow/sleep you can imagine. To her, the danger is other drivers. I saw something like that in Cincinnati while headed south on I-75. The stretch was 2 lanes at the time. The congestion trough the area was very slow normally. I was tooling down I-75 headed into Kentucky between 8am and 9am during the work week. There was a lot of snow. Over 6" additional snow accumulated overnight. Lots of salt trucks and plows were out. I was tooling along, keeping pace with traffic in a wonderful little beater, a Toyota Echo. Some crazy person in a white Audi S8 with their brights on decided to ride my bumper. I just ignored the retard. The person was clearly in a big hurry... to die and probably kill someone else along the way. They wipped around me and passed me on the right like I was sitting still. By the way, I was in the right lane of the interstate. They really were making good time. In the pouring snow and spraying wash, I lost track of the magnificent idiot. Within a minute, traffic came to a crawl, and everyone shifted left a little. Up ahead, on the right, in the emergency lane was the big, white S8... stuck! Snow was flying and the car was going nowhere. Since we going so slowly, I made a point to honk and wave as I passed. 
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Posted: 1/29/2017 11:31:00 PM EDT
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BS, E63 looks awesome.
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I was looking at Audis at the dealership and the sales guy showed me one. I'd never seen one before, and right away I told my wife I just didn't care for the looks. I ended up with an E63. It doesn't look very sexy, but man is it fun to drive. |
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