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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:34:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That has got some serious hangtime. Pretty neat, very quiet.. Quote HistoryQuoted: That has got some serious hangtime. Pretty neat, very quiet.. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's old is new again. Didn't the Japanese use these in WWII? And, if I remember right, more than one GI heard it called a knee mortar and tried to shoot it off their leg. With poor results. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:45:25 AM EDT
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What's old is new again. Didn't the Japanese use these in WWII? Yes. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:46:56 AM EDT
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seriously that little fucker can travel. No shit.... how high do they go? 
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:47:31 AM EDT
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French still use the rifle grenade too
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:53:20 AM EDT
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We already have a better version of that called the 60mm mortar.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And, if I remember right, more than one GI heard it called a knee mortar and tried to shoot it off their leg. With poor results. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's old is new again. Didn't the Japanese use these in WWII? And, if I remember right, more than one GI heard it called a knee mortar and tried to shoot it off their leg. With poor results.  This is NOT how those grenade launchers were supposed to be used.   This is the correct way:     |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:57:11 AM EDT
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I would rather have the multi-shot 40mm launcher.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:58:22 AM EDT
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg The 203 and 320 is not an indirect fire weapon. I think maybe you have the idea of indirect fire confused. Both of those are direct fire weapons. You can't see targets when you're doing indirect fire. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:59:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the db level on a M203? Seems like it would be possible to make a suppressed version if you really wanted to... It reminds me of a really loud paintball gun. Very mild compared to every other weapon. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:03:56 AM EDT
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No need for a new "Knee-Mortar"
Trying to find a solution for a non-existant problem. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:04:58 AM EDT
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The 203 and 320 is not an indirect fire weapon. I think maybe you have the idea of indirect fire confused. Both of those are direct fire weapons. You can't see targets when you're doing indirect fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg The 203 and 320 is not an indirect fire weapon. I think maybe you have the idea of indirect fire confused. Both of those are direct fire weapons. You can't see targets when you're doing indirect fire. "Its primary purpose is to engage enemies in dead space that cannot be reached by direct fire." Hasty Indirect weapon. 
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:23:05 AM EDT
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It reminds me of a really loud paintball gun. Very mild compared to every other weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the db level on a M203? Seems like it would be possible to make a suppressed version if you really wanted to... It reminds me of a really loud paintball gun. Very mild compared to every other weapon. I was only cool enough to fire an orange powder training version in BCT-hard to judge how loud something is with ear pro in. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:32:12 AM EDT
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I don't think it does the high angle of indirect that a mortar does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg I don't think it does the high angle of indirect that a mortar does. Being a mor-tard who rocked a M79 in iraq i feel qualified to speak on this. Just like the folks on the outer limits, when employing 40mm goodness YOU control the horizontal, and the vertical. This awesome level of control allows you to "lob" (i.e. fire on targets from behind defilade.) explosive rounds on target without a direct LOS. I will illustrate: Task: explosive rounds on target from behind a building (think of shooting your driveway from the backyard) Condition: Given; one moderatley motivated 11C20 armed with an M79 40mm grenade launcher and a target in an alleyway behind a building. Standards: makee makee splodee. 1. Point M79 straight ahead like you would a rifle, parallel to the ground. 2. Add elevation until you are somewhere between 60 and 80 degrees. Remember, the payload will travel around 350M and MV is fairly constant-you'll have to get a feel for it, or just walk that shit in. 3. fire M79 (bonus points for turning to your PL and saying "shot over") 4. ????? 5. Profit |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:36:17 AM EDT
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Being a mor-tard who rocked a M79 in iraq i feel qualified to speak on this. Just like the folks on the outer limits, when employing 40mm goodness YOU control the horizontal, and the vertical. This awesome level of control allows you to "lob" (i.e. fire on targets from behind defilade.) explosive rounds on target without a direct LOS. I will illustrate: Task: explosive rounds on target from behind a building (think of shooting your driveway from the backyard) Condition: Given; one moderatley motivated 11C20 armed with an M79 40mm grenade launcher and a target in an alleyway behind a building. Standards: makee makee splodee. 1. Point M79 straight ahead like you would a rifle, parallel to the ground. 2. Add elevation until you are somewhere between 60 and 80 degrees. Remember, the payload will travel around 350M and MV is fairly constant-you'll have to get a feel for it, or just walk that shit in. 3. fire M79 (bonus points for turning to your PL and saying "shot over") 4. ????? 5. Profit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg I don't think it does the high angle of indirect that a mortar does. Being a mor-tard who rocked a M79 in iraq i feel qualified to speak on this. Just like the folks on the outer limits, when employing 40mm goodness YOU control the horizontal, and the vertical. This awesome level of control allows you to "lob" (i.e. fire on targets from behind defilade.) explosive rounds on target without a direct LOS. I will illustrate: Task: explosive rounds on target from behind a building (think of shooting your driveway from the backyard) Condition: Given; one moderatley motivated 11C20 armed with an M79 40mm grenade launcher and a target in an alleyway behind a building. Standards: makee makee splodee. 1. Point M79 straight ahead like you would a rifle, parallel to the ground. 2. Add elevation until you are somewhere between 60 and 80 degrees. Remember, the payload will travel around 350M and MV is fairly constant-you'll have to get a feel for it, or just walk that shit in. 3. fire M79 (bonus points for turning to your PL and saying "shot over") 4. ????? 5. Profit Squared away. You need a Tank. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:39:42 AM EDT
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how do i go aboot getting one of those?
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:51:00 AM EDT
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How do you aim it/set the correct angle? Is the base adjustable? What if the ground's not level? Is it just "Kentucky Windage"?
Wouldn't the ordinance with the knee mortar be more powerful than the grenades?
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how do i go aboot getting one of those?  |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:05:08 AM EDT
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how do i go aboot getting one of those? i meant the tank your penguininess. i have kleine interest in the gaul's mortars, no matter how good their condition is-never fired, only dropped once... you know, that old chestnut... Mein bruder was kind enough to square me away with the info i need though-tango mike Aeain! |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:16:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySpecs say 52 db, that's quite a bit quieter than just a car driving by. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:17:45 AM EDT
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the FLY-K system has been around for a while, I like this version
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How do you aim it/set the correct angle? Is the base adjustable? What if the ground's not level? Is it just "Kentucky Windage"? Wouldn't the ordinance with the knee mortar be more powerful than the grenades? quote Rheinmetall has also developed a quick-mounting digital aiming device for the Fly-K mortar, a system successfully deployed by the French armed forces in Afghanistan. The device measures the incline and elevation angle of the tube, while showing the range of the cartridges on a display. Light, compact, quiet and with a very low operational signature, this indirect fire weapon can of course also be used without an aiming device to engage targets at distances of up to 800 metres. /quote source |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:24:47 AM EDT
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So this thing has more range and payload than the 40mm grenades but is less portable and less quick to employ. It's got less range and payload than our 60mm mortars, but is more portable and faster to employ.
It sure would kill some fools, but perhaps we've got it's niche bracketed just fine already. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:30:56 AM EDT
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg Someone gave me a couple of those as we were basically walking out the door at the beginning of 2012. It was the day before we were supposed to fly out, they tell me there's some equipment in some Alpha Company BSTB arms room for me. SGT Armorer hands me two of these things still in the box, I have some idea of what they are. "So how do they work?" He fumbles through a rough 10 minute lesson of how it works as I read the manual. Walked over to the conex yard, chucked those motherfuckers in a tough box and didn't look at them again (outside of cyclic inventories) for the rest of the tour. They seem like they'd be pretty cool if you were actually trained and practiced at using them. The sight seems dramatically better than the old M203 sight. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:38:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i meant the tank your penguininess. i have kleine interest in the gaul's mortars, no matter how good their condition is-never fired, only dropped once... you know, that old chestnut... Mein bruder was kind enough to square me away with the info i need though-tango mike Aeain! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: how do i go aboot getting one of those? i meant the tank your penguininess. i have kleine interest in the gaul's mortars, no matter how good their condition is-never fired, only dropped once... you know, that old chestnut... Mein bruder was kind enough to square me away with the info i need though-tango mike Aeain! |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:44:29 AM EDT
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We're at weight capacity now. If you want a new toy, you have to give up something else to be able to carry it. These are cool toys, sure. But the question is, what do you give up to be able to carry it? You could displace some AT4's with it, especially since it has the ability to be re-loaded. The best thing to take these types of systems to the next level is to have precision guidance warheads, that are driven from the Squad-level without any need to coordinate fires with someone outside the unit in-contact. Once you add that, you have a significant over-match against the enemy, and don't need as much CAS. Land Warrior would provide the architecture to guide organic precision munitions as well. It would basically top off what it would take to field as close to a 100% first-round on-target system, at least with regard to kill radius. Add a continuous computed impact mode to the system, and it would be sick. LRF + Polar Plot + PGM Warhead = impact. 
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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:21:49 PM EDT
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I got to watch a demonstration of them a few years ago. It's very quiet in person.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:26:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:42:15 PM EDT
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I have a picture somewhere of a rack meant to hold a 98k for rifle grenade launching.
It is adjustable similar to a mortar. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:49:00 PM EDT
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That is a nice invention. I cant imagine the armed services not wanting that handy tool. Or a HH mode 60mm. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:53:18 PM EDT
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Can one man carry the weapon system all the rounds and use it entirely by himself? That is what the LGI was designed for, so that every squad could have one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M224 60mm Mortar in handheld mode. http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/IMG_0111_zps1c5adb41.jpg Can one man carry the weapon system all the rounds and use it entirely by himself? That is what the LGI was designed for, so that every squad could have one. Sure a man can. The real question is, does he want to? |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:10:31 PM EDT
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The 203 and 320 is not an indirect fire weapon. I think maybe you have the idea of indirect fire confused. Both of those are direct fire weapons. You can't see targets when you're doing indirect fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg The 203 and 320 is not an indirect fire weapon. I think maybe you have the idea of indirect fire confused. Both of those are direct fire weapons. You can't see targets when you're doing indirect fire. You can use both to cover dead space in the defense; you don't need to see the target but instead put in physical stops that will allow accurate enough fire |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:24:02 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly the Japanese "knee" morter was NOT designd to be fired off your knee or leg.
It was designed to be fired with the curved bottom plate on the ground. It also stated that the Jap knee mortar was very effective... I wil see if I can find where I read that... |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:28:14 PM EDT
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KNEE MORTAR? WHAT?
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:35:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:41:30 PM EDT
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Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What can it do that a M25 gunner in each squad can't? From what I've read from the loggie side, the units issued XM25's for testing in Afghanistan really liked them, and it looks like they are going to be fielded at the squad level Army-wide in the next couple of years. Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet. It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. 
I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:42:18 PM EDT
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Does indirect fire http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=736 Newest version http://peosoldier.armylive.dodlive.mil/files/2012/10/M320_ladder_sight.jpg I don't think it does the high angle of indirect that a mortar does. You can do it. http://htmlimg2.scribdassets.com/6t717x13wgfpetz/images/71-ac3518d2dd.jpg I would feel better about the ability of the military to deliver high explosives on target if they could manage spelling a little better. "VERTICAL" |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:47:02 PM EDT
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It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. <a href="http://s953.photobucket.com/user/Bushmaster1984/media/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/Bushmaster1984/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg</a> I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What can it do that a M25 gunner in each squad can't? From what I've read from the loggie side, the units issued XM25's for testing in Afghanistan really liked them, and it looks like they are going to be fielded at the squad level Army-wide in the next couple of years. Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet. It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. <a href="http://s953.photobucket.com/user/Bushmaster1984/media/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/Bushmaster1984/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg</a> I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves Look at that Sexy man. I miss that place... Well not the strongpoint. But, Our COP was pretty nice. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:49:41 PM EDT
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Look at that Sexy man. I miss that place... Well not the strongpoint. But, Our COP was pretty nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What can it do that a M25 gunner in each squad can't? From what I've read from the loggie side, the units issued XM25's for testing in Afghanistan really liked them, and it looks like they are going to be fielded at the squad level Army-wide in the next couple of years. Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet. It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. <a href="http://s953.photobucket.com/user/Bushmaster1984/media/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg.html" target="_blank"> http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/Bushmaster1984/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg</a> I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves Look at that Sexy man. I miss that place... Well not the strongpoint. But, Our COP was pretty nice. I liked life at that strong point dont miss the ANA 
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Posted: 7/25/2013 1:52:37 PM EDT
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What can it do that a M25 gunner in each squad can't? From what I've read from the loggie side, the units issued XM25's for testing in Afghanistan really liked them, and it looks like they are going to be fielded at the squad level Army-wide in the next couple of years. Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet. It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. <a href="http://s953.photobucket.com/user/Bushmaster1984/media/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg.html" target="_blank"> http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/Bushmaster1984/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg</a> I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves Look at that Sexy man. I miss that place... Well not the strongpoint. But, Our COP was pretty nice. I liked life at that strong point dont miss the ANA No one misses them. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 3:22:38 PM EDT
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What can it do that a M25 gunner in each squad can't? From what I've read from the loggie side, the units issued XM25's for testing in Afghanistan really liked them, and it looks like they are going to be fielded at the squad level Army-wide in the next couple of years. Don't know since the M25 hasn't been fielded by anyone yet. It's been fielded, this was our Platoons in 2011, thats me holding it. <a href="http://s953.photobucket.com/user/Bushmaster1984/media/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/Bushmaster1984/military/298073_232526570139100_1894556568_n_zps3c5f2937.jpg</a> I'd rather have that mortar, or Carl Gustaves Look at that Sexy man. I miss that place... Well not the strongpoint. But, Our COP was pretty nice. I liked the SP more than the COP, but I could have done without the ANA. Now, to add to the discussion at hand, I think an M203 is more versatile weapon, and I loved carrying one. I also the the new M320, but as a stand alone weapon, not attached to a rifle. |
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