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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:16:15 AM EDT
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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


You would lose, judgement, backpay and she would get her job back. Then she could skate forever and you could nothing at that point because then it would look like retaliation.

How about I assign her to restroom sting duty for life

I repeat what a cunt she could drop the suit or ask the lawyer to aplologize for that hidious statement
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:18:34 AM EDT
[#2]

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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


You would lose, judgement, backpay and she would get her job back. Then she could skate forever and you could nothing at that point because then it would look like retaliation.


Maybe if you were the chief you'd have the foresight, and fortitude to make sure any of your officers that suffer duty related injuries have 100% of their medical bills paid, and get fair compensation while they are recuperating from the injury.

Instead of resorting to some dickless back stabbing tactic that doesn't get to the base cause of the problem.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:19:00 AM EDT
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If I was that family I would ask for an immediate jury trial.  Make that bitch sit on the stand and explain why this family that just pulled their kid out of the pool should have taken the time to dry the floor before calling for help.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:20:23 AM EDT
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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


You would lose, judgement, backpay and she would get her job back. Then she could skate forever and you could nothing at that point because then it would look like retaliation.


Maybe if you were the chief you'd have the foresight, and fortitude to make sure any of your officers that suffer duty related injuries have 100% of their medical bills paid, and get fair compensation while they are recuperating from the injury.

Instead of resorting to some dickless back stabbing tactic that doesn't get to the base cause of the problem.

I am sure the cheif of police is involved in the city wide insurance plan bids

She hurt her knee shit happens LE is a dangerous job...

Notice that she is back to work...

Lots of people get injured on the job and don;t sue to recover damages..
I am sure she can do what any honorable person would do and try an work out a settlement with the medical bills but no lets sue a victim to recov... aw fuck I can't go on
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:21:26 AM EDT
[#5]

Eichhorn's personnel file includes numerous commendations. The 12-year veteran has worked as a hostage negotiator and prostitution decoy, and even wrestled razors away from a suicidal person.


All that and slip on a puddle of water....Nuts!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:22:54 AM EDT
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In most states there is what is called the "Fireman's rule".

It says:

The "Fireman's Rule" stems from this historical assumption of the risk perspective. Basically, a firefighter (or police officer, paramedic, etc.) is assumed to have voluntarily assumed any risk of injury as inherent to his/her occupation. Following the rule, a citizen who does not intentionally start a fire owes no duty of care to ensure that a firefighter summoned to suppress the fire is not injured. After voluntarily assuming such a risk, as the argument goes, the firefighter cannot then sue the person causing the risk for damages when injured. Similarly, from a public policy prospective, risks to which firefighters are exposed are believed to be inherent in the job and it would be unfair to charge all who carelessly cause or fail to prevent fires with the injury suffered by the expert public servant hired with public funds to protect them. The firefighter/police officer is paid to confront such hazards and workers' compensation benefits exist to protect him/her when an injury occurs as a result.

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I would be interested to know why the lawyer doesn't think this rule applies in this case.

Generally to get it to not apply you have to prove shocking negligence, or intentional wrongdoing.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:23:55 AM EDT
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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


Ever sit on a witness stand with one?  That question doesn't even register anymore.  Some people have a messed up head.  You can't fix a defective personality.

As far as LE being dangerous.  It is sometimes thats why the departments should take care of their people.

Joe

Edit to answer Oly-

Maybe to take the settlement that will most likely be offered to avoid the considerable expense of a trial.  Just a guess on my part but it isn't unheard of.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:29 AM EDT
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In most states there is what is called the "Fireman's rule".

It says:

The "Fireman's Rule" stems from this historical assumption of the risk perspective. Basically, a firefighter (or police officer, paramedic, etc.) is assumed to have voluntarily assumed any risk of injury as inherent to his/her occupation. Following the rule, a citizen who does not intentionally start a fire owes no duty of care to ensure that a firefighter summoned to suppress the fire is not injured. After voluntarily assuming such a risk, as the argument goes, the firefighter cannot then sue the person causing the risk for damages when injured. Similarly, from a public policy prospective, risks to which firefighters are exposed are believed to be inherent in the job and it would be unfair to charge all who carelessly cause or fail to prevent fires with the injury suffered by the expert public servant hired with public funds to protect them. The firefighter/police officer is paid to confront such hazards and workers' compensation benefits exist to protect him/her when an injury occurs as a result.

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I would be interested to know why the lawyer doesn't think this rule applies in this case.

Generally to get it to not apply you have to prove shocking negligence, or intentional wrongdoing.


First thing I thought of, well after the inital WTF.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:32 AM EDT
[#9]

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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


Ever sit on a witness stand with one?  That question doesn't even register anymore.  Some people have a messed up head.  You can't fix a defective personality.

As far as LE being dangerous.  It is sometimes thats why the departments should take care of their people.

Joe

It seems like they did.. most of her medical expenses were covered from what I can tell. she returned to duty.. when you are hired on you have the chance to look at the benefit plans offered. If you don't like them you should seek employment elsewhere
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:26:32 AM EDT
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I am sure the cheif of police is involved in the city wide insurance plan bids

She hurt her knee shit happens LE is a dangerous job...


First, you better believe a police chief is involved in WC issues. Both from the manpower side and because of how much WC costs in his budget.

Next, unless it is a very small municipality, it's likely they are "self insured" for WC.

In dangerous jobs, things like WC are essential workplace protections.

There's no way LEO's should be paying out of pocket for medical treatment for duty related injuries or illness.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:27:26 AM EDT
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If I was the Cheif I would fire her ass and just tell the city lawyer to pay the "wrongful" termination settlement. The PR hit the department is going to take for this is far worse than a settlemet..
Also that statement trying to blame the parents by the attny.. I
""It's a situation where the Cosmillos have caused these problems, brought them on themselves, then tried to play the victim," Heil said"
How that cocksucker can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me...
k

Someone should post Heils contact info and turn it into a firemission to call and let him know what a good job he is doing


Ever sit on a witness stand with one?  That question doesn't even register anymore.  Some people have a messed up head.  You can't fix a defective personality.

As far as LE being dangerous.  It is sometimes thats why the departments should take care of their people.

Joe


It seems like they did.. most of her medical expenses were covered from what I can tell. she returned to duty.. when you are hired on you have the chance to look at the benefit plans offered. If you don't like them you should seek employment elsewhere


No argument from me.  The whole thing looks stinky.

Joe
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:31:33 AM EDT
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I am sure the cheif of police is involved in the city wide insurance plan bids

She hurt her knee shit happens LE is a dangerous job...


First, you better believe a police chief is involved in WC issues. Both from the manpower side and because of how much WC costs in his budget.

Next, unless it is a very small municipality, it's likely they are "self insured" for WC.

In dangerous jobs, things like WC are essential workplace protections.

There's no way LEO's should be paying out of pocket for medical treatment for duty related injuries or illness.

I agree but Sgt Quickbuck had knowledge or should have upon hire of the benefits offered.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:35:20 AM EDT
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I agree but Sgt Quickbuck had knowledge or should have upon hire of the benefits offered.


Yeah, I'm sure the last place you got hired when they said "Full WC coverage" you told them to give you the actual policy, and read it cover to cover...................

I'm sure you read the owner's manual for your current car from cover-cover before driving an inch too.

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:40:09 AM EDT
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I agree but Sgt Quickbuck had knowledge or should have upon hire of the benefits offered.


Yeah, I'm sure the last place you got hired when they said "Full WC coverage" you told them to give you the actual policy, and read it cover to cover...................

I'm sure you read the owner's manual for your current car from cover-cover before driving an inch too.



My honor and doing the right thing is more important to me than lost wages.....

Suing the parents for water by the pool......  when their kid ended up with severe brain damage.. Just from a practical standpoint its blood from a turnup like the parents have spare money now that they have a lifetime of nursing costs
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:45:50 AM EDT
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My honor and doing the right thing is more important to me than lost wages.....

Suing the parents for water by the pool......  when their kid ended up with severe brain damage.. Just from a practical standpoint its blood from a turnup like the parents have spare money now that they have a lifetime of nursing costs


Then unlike what you have just posted, if you were the chief, the honorable thing to do would be to make sure all the officer's medical bills and lost wages were paid by the city.

That would be the honorable thing.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:48:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:48:44 AM EDT
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My honor and doing the right thing is more important to me than lost wages.....

Suing the parents for water by the pool......  when their kid ended up with severe brain damage.. Just from a practical standpoint its blood from a turnup like the parents have spare money now that they have a lifetime of nursing costs


Then unlike what you have just posted, if you were the chief, the honorable thing to do would be to make sure all the officer's medical bills and lost wages were paid by the city.

That would be the honorable thing.


See my Poll in BOTS

I agree the city can and should step in to stop this PR nightmare
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:50:56 AM EDT
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photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192


You're right.  Nobody should be outraged by the actions of this person, who just happens to be an LEO.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:51:25 AM EDT
[#19]

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See my Poll in BOTS

I agree the city can and should step in to stop this PR nightmare


City should've stepped up long ago, because it's the right thing to do.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:52:38 AM EDT
[#20]

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See my Poll in BOTS

I agree the city can and should step in to stop this PR nightmare


City should've stepped up long ago, because it's the right thing to do.


Yup.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:54:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:57:18 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.



One side photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46186.....................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192...................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46187 the other side.


How about you go be a troll in someone else's thread...
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:58:06 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.

Another drama queen LEO who can't stand it when individuals who happen to be officers are railed against for being morons.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:59:32 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:59:35 AM EDT
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photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192


You're right.  Nobody should be outraged by the actions of this person, who just happens to be an LEO.



Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.



One side photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46186.....................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192...................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46187 the other side.


She has rights just like any other individual in our society, just burns your ass though don't it.




So let me get this correct:
You support the action of suing a 911 caller to recover expenses when there was no intent to cause the injury?

Its not like they called 911 while their child was not breathing and waited for the officer to walk by and threw a bannana peel under her feet
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:01:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:02:37 AM EDT
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Police Sgt. Andrea Eichhorn alleges the boy's family left a puddle of water on the floor, causing her fall during the rescue effort. She broke her knee and missed two months of work.

Eichhorn's attorney, David Heil, said she now has persistent knee pain and will likely develop arthritis. He said city benefits paid by workers' compensation and some disability checks helped with medical bills, but it wasn't enough.



Why wouldn't Workers Comp pay 100% of the medical bills, as well as lost wages during the time the officer was out of work due to a DUTY RELATED INJURY???

I guess no one that has posted a response gave a shit about that.


Then it sounds like she should sue the city.  

(and no, any sympathy I might have had for her is long gone now.  Fucking Bitch.)



Do we know all the facts here or are you jumping to conclusions and getting up on your cop bashing soap box again?

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:03:21 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.



One side photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46186.....................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192...................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46187 the other side.


How about you go be a troll in someone else's thread...




................... you of all people pointing fingers.



I'll admit, I was curious as to how someone from Team Apologist would come out swinging.  Attacking the victim with the one-year-old was tried by the lawyer and didn't go over so well, so the next best play would be to go after he who posted the story.

Now please, if you have nothing to add, get the ever loving fuck out of this thread.  Please.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:03:23 AM EDT
[#29]
Drama Queen LEO cleanup in aisle three...bring some diapers and wipes, too.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:03:28 AM EDT
[#30]
Predicted life of this thread 20 more posts
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:03:32 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:04:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:05:31 AM EDT
[#33]

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I support the right of an individual to do what is lawful.

...but you cry like a bitch when people post on the intraweb....
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:06:02 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.



One side photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46186.....................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192...................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46187 the other side.


How about you go be a troll in someone else's thread...



Truth hurts don't it, you can't stand that a LEO has the right as an individual to do what any other citizen has the right to do. So you and you're ilk have to call names and through a tantrum about it. Sad, very sad. [://


I don't say that she doesn't have the right to sue.  The ability to win a case has no bearing on the paperwork to file (and she will lose).

My outrage is based solely on the classless act of suing this family then having the audicaty to demonize them.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:07:09 AM EDT
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So let me get this correct:
You support the action of suing a 911 caller to recover expenses when there was no intent to cause the injury?

Its not like they called 911 while their child was not breathing and waited for the officer to walk by and threw a bannana peel under her feet



I support the right of an individual to do what is lawful. It's up to a Court to determine if negligence was present.


As do I however right and correct are way off on this one....

I propose:
The city is crappy for not taking care of there people hurt in the line of duty
The officer shows an extreme lack of judgement trying to sue an individual as opposed to her insuance carrier
The lawyer should be choked with his own cock
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:07:19 AM EDT
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Drama Queen LEO cleanup in aisle three...bring some diapers and wipes, too.



Attack the individual when you can't refute the argument............... it's just so you.


If your a police officer man , are you really defending this action.

This shows very poorly of you.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:07:33 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.



One side photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46186.....................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46192...................photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=46187 the other side.


How about you go be a troll in someone else's thread...


No he's pretty much right. You're just a cop basher, seems to be all you post.. What is your issue anyway are you just fat and ugly and pissed off at the world or what? Try getting laid it might improve your outlook on life
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:08:01 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:09:43 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:10:09 AM EDT
[#40]
10 bucks says she was a "big girl"
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:12:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:12:39 AM EDT
[#42]
It's funny how the unstable posters can be baited so easy therefore acomplishing the goal of a lock so the issiues are no longer discussed
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:13:17 AM EDT
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I can't wait to hear the apologists on this one.


Just started reading this , I don't believe any officer on this board will take her side.


You'd sure think so, anyhow...

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:13:21 AM EDT
[#44]

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It's funny how the unstable posters can be baited so easy therefore acomplishing the goal of a lock so the issiues are no longer discussed


Isn't it though?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:17:25 AM EDT
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Another Let's Hate the POPO thread.

Another drama queen LEO who can't stand it when individuals who happen to be officers are railed against for being morons.


If it was the non-LE/FF neighbor who slipped/fell/injured his/her knee while trying to help the infant would you support the 'citizen' suing the neighbor/insurance company for medical expenses/lost wages?  IMO there are two issues here - 1) Is the homeowner responsible/negligent in their action/inaction?  2) Why is a Public Safety employee not being made whole by their employer?  If the officer has a lifelong disability she will(?) have part of her retirement as disability and should be tax free.

There is more going on here than that little story indicates.

Brian
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:17:30 AM EDT
[#46]
Wait, doesn't the officer get worker's comp and disability as part of her job?  I would assume so.  The story may not have all the details, but it does not sound like the family was negligent or had malicious intent.  

If the family did something intentional, then sue the hell out of them.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:17:37 AM EDT
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If your a police officer man , are you really defending this action.

This shows very poorly of you.[://


And if I'm not a LEO it's OK??????????????? Got you pegged.






It's wrong either way , but if your an LEO you should hold your self to a higher standard.

Not that we should hold your self to one. It you that should

I'm sorry if you don't feel like that.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:20:25 AM EDT
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My honor and doing the right thing is more important to me than lost wages....


Then unlike what you have just posted, if you were the chief, the honorable thing to do would be to make sure all the officer's medical bills and lost wages were paid by the city. That would be the honorable thing.


Have you ever collected WC? You never get all your lost wages back, never.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:21:46 AM EDT
[#49]
SGB is no longer LE.  I don't know if his standards have dropped or if they have always been this low.  No one has a right to frivolous damages.  No one is entitled to compensation at the expense of decency.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:22:34 AM EDT
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It's wrong either way , but if your an LEO you should hold your self to a higher standard.

Not that we should hold your self to one. It you that should

I'm sorry if you don't feel like that.



Here we go with that higher standard bullshit. They are bringing it on, they are asking for it, they know the risks,etc. I guess that makes it okay then! Superhuman immortals that should accept getting hurt/killed/maimed/etc just because...right?

Is that the same thing you'd tell a stripper that gets raped? She should have held herself to a higher standard? She deserved it? She knew what she was getting into?


I don't agree with suing the homeowner...in this case. I would sue my department/insurance company/etc.
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