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Posted: 10/24/2018 11:31:26 AM EST
Go look online, every retails has "must be leo,  click here to send creds". No more 50 round boxes for us, only the get raped in price small boxes.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:32:27 AM EST
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Who the fuck is vista?
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:32:49 AM EST
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I will be replacing my HST with Gold Dots.

ETA- SGammo doesnt appear to want credentials
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:34:29 AM EST
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Vista Outdoor, Inc. is the parent company which owns Federal.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:34:53 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:35:30 AM EST
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SGAmmo doesn't care, they're got HST in stock.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:35:35 AM EST
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Disgraceful.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:36:13 AM EST
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Fake news?

Go to SGammo.

50 round box and you don't have to prove anything except that you have money.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:36:16 AM EST
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They own Savage too. I wonder if certain rifles are about to be unobtanium as well or if this is just a thing to make sure they meet LE demand.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:36:21 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:36:36 AM EST
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Time for Federal to get S&W / Ruger'd for a while then?

Edit: Looking retailer specific as I read further.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:37:20 AM EST
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Walmart sells it
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:38:34 AM EST
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in the 20 round box, for the same price as the 50 count
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:39:00 AM EST
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They may care when they are no longer an HST dealer.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:39:52 AM EST
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I dunno, I thing the whole post is in gang code or something.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:39:55 AM EST
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I buy pulled hst from American reloading by the 500s
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:41:35 AM EST
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in the 20 round box, for the same price as the 50 count
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in the 20 round box, for the same price as the 50 count
Hornady is like that too with Critical Duty.

I know some people that work for Hornady and they were surprised that I managed to score a 50rd box despite not being LE.  They wanted to know where I got it but, "I don't recall."
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:41:44 AM EST
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They also own CCI.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:41:58 AM EST
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Where are you seeing this???

Unless I', miss-understanding, I'm not seeing it.

I just went to SGammo and looked at a 1000 round case of .40 HST ""LE"" Marketed ammo.
https://www.sgammo.com/product/40-cal-ammo/1000-round-case-40-hst-federal-le-165-grain-hollow-point-p40hst3-ammo

Here is a 50 round box of .45
https://www.sgammo.com/product/federal-ammo-sale/50-round-box-45-auto-federal-hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2

If they did pull some BS, they are only hurting their own company... I'd bet that citizen consumers as a group, buy a bit more than various LE agencies...

IF true, sounds like another Dicks...

***ETA*** Someone beat me to posting the links to Sgammo...
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:42:02 AM EST
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I looked around and didn't see that. Where are you seeing it and where did you get that idea?
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:42:16 AM EST
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I got an email from Bone Frog Gun Club this morning that said they were being forced to do the same going forward.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:42:31 AM EST
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Vista Outdoor Brands

Vista Outdoors Social Responsibility

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@thocomehome

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They want to ban bumpstocks.

I own zero bumpstocks.

I will continue to shoot carry either Ranger T's or Gold Dots.

I will replace my HST .45 ammo with Ranger T's or Gold Dots.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:42:48 AM EST
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Not cool Vista
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:43:01 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:43:39 AM EST
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Speer is owned by the same parent company, so possibly not immune from this stupidity.

Bone Frog Gun Club, who has frequently sold ammo that was officially LE only like red box Hornady LE TAP, now says LE Only on product pages for both HST and Gold Dot. The HST page links to their credential form, while the Gold Dot page does not. (Edit: looks like some Gold Dot pages do have the form as well as the LE only message).

Edited to add links: 9mm HST, Gold Dot
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:43:49 AM EST
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I only carry Underwood full power 10mm ammo in my carry pistols. I don't use the under powered Federal 10mm cartridges anyway. Doesn't affect me.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:43:59 AM EST
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I’ve seen this said a few times but have never seen it at walmart
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:44:26 AM EST
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I won't buy pistol ammo in 20 round boxes, period.

If they don't want my business that's fine.  Plenty of gold dot 50 round boxes out there.

But 20 round boxes?  Will not buy, not now and not ever.

I've also got enough HSTs and gold dots already that I dont really need to buy more.  I like to stock up, but I can deprive them of business for a very very long time.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:45:04 AM EST
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Maybe, but I'll buy gold dots then.

I won't be mad at SG but I will not buy 20 round boxes of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:45:33 AM EST
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So time to slam Federals facebook with harsh posts and bad reviews?
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:46:13 AM EST
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Just got one a minute ago.

Oh well. Times come and go
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:46:16 AM EST
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Too late fuckers! My grand kids will be shooting that shit (after dumping it out of 50 rnd boxes).
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:46:51 AM EST
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Well fuck.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:47:04 AM EST
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I did find this,  a bit old, from May of this year... Not the same, but relevant to the path Vista looks to be planning on taking.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vista-outdoor-aims-to-exit-several-brands-including-firearms-1525183300
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:48:20 AM EST
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Also owned by Vista.

pistol-forum.com saying that prices on all HST & Gold Dots have risen. Seems like they're desperately trying to fill a contract or are enforcing a new policy (or old one that was never followed). ETA: Or just want more money. Probably the most likely.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:48:26 AM EST
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Yes, and point out that its vista outdoors and what other companies they own too.....

Hurt them all.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:48:54 AM EST
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Maybe, but I'll buy gold dots then.

I won't be mad at SG but I will not buy 20 round boxes of ammo.
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They may care when they are no longer an HST dealer.
Maybe, but I'll buy gold dots then.

I won't be mad at SG but I will not buy 20 round boxes of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:50:02 AM EST
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SGAmmo doesn't care, they're got HST in stock.
They may care when they are no longer an HST dealer.
I've heard LEO only for big boxes for as long as they've sold HST.  Never had a problem buying it by the case load from SGAmmo or Target Sports.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:50:53 AM EST
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Vista Outdoor Brands

Vista Outdoors Social Responsibility

Before anyone else gets powerfully butt hurt over the thread topic and first post, do some verification on your own.  I'm not ready to believe this revelation.

@thocomehome

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Based on the links you provided Vista supports regulation of bump stocks...
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:53:16 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:53:26 AM EST
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Vista Outdoor Brands

Vista Outdoors Social Responsibility

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@thocomehome

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please.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:53:57 AM EST
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I've heard LEO only for big boxes for as long as they've sold HST.  Never had a problem buying it by the case load from SGAmmo or Target Sports.  
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SGAmmo doesn't care, they're got HST in stock.
They may care when they are no longer an HST dealer.
I've heard LEO only for big boxes for as long as they've sold HST.  Never had a problem buying it by the case load from SGAmmo or Target Sports.  
Could be that Federal/Speer are putting the screws to the distributors now in a way that they weren't before. Like you say, I was under the impression that this was always the official policy, just not well-enforced.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:54:00 AM EST
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ammotogo has 50rd boxes
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:54:55 AM EST
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Vista Outdoor Brands

Vista Outdoors Social Responsibility

Before anyone else gets powerfully butt hurt over the thread topic and first post, do some verification on your own.  I'm not ready to believe this revelation.

@thocomehome

Post three examples from unrelated retailers.
Based on the links you provided Vista supports regulation of bump stocks...
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:56:16 AM EST
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I miss rangers.  Winchester did this years ago.  They are pretty hard to find now.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:56:51 AM EST
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I’ve seen this said a few times but have never seen it at walmart
I’ve seen it and bought it......... haven’t seen the 50 round boxes lately, but at one time they did have those as well
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:57:42 AM EST
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I qualify to buy restricted LE shit anyway, but if this is so, I'm still mad about it. It's elitist bullshit.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:58:18 AM EST
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From Bone Frog Gun Club on 124gr HST ammo:
**Per manufacturer requirements, this product (50 round boxes of P9HST3) is available for purchase by LE and Qualified Customers Only
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 11:59:03 AM EST
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There are NO 50 round boxes of 9mm GOLD DOT at target sports usa.  All 20 round.  60cpr.

They still have 50 round boxes of HST.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 12:00:00 PM EST
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They've always been great!!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 12:02:01 PM EST
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so what's the difference between hst and their white box jhp, other than the weight in this example?
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/100-rounds-federal174-9mm-147-grain-jhp-ammo?a=789188
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