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Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:02:09 PM EST
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He created a realistic comparison. Most products sold at Walmart, which are in pretty much every American town in the country, are made in China, meaning they get paid while we buy cheap shitty plastic crap. Ergo, we are funding communism and supporting oppressive regimes.  

Maybe if you created a better method of relaying your ideas besides insulting people you might persuade more people. Buts its just easier to call people Hillary supporters, right?

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Can't wait to vacation in Cuba soon, sipping Cuban rum, smoking real Cohibas, looking at cute Cuban female asses.

Funding communism and supporting an oppressive regime


How is this different from shopping at ChinaWal-Mart?


With this sort of logic Hillary will surely win

Its going to be a fun ride down though


He created a realistic comparison. Most products sold at Walmart, which are in pretty much every American town in the country, are made in China, meaning they get paid while we buy cheap shitty plastic crap. Ergo, we are funding communism and supporting oppressive regimes.  

Maybe if you created a better method of relaying your ideas besides insulting people you might persuade more people. Buts its just easier to call people Hillary supporters, right?


Just because we are funding communism and supporting oppressive regimes does not mean it is right. As a country we ought to make efforts to stop funding communism, and support American manufacturing. But arfcom is full of people that believe in "in for a penny, in for a pound". Meaning since we already trade with commie regimes might as well add more to the list, maybe we can even become Communist ourselves (sarc).


That is not what we should be doing and the end of the Cuba embargo tells me that this country is still headed in the wrong direction.

So to answer the original question, there is not much of a difference, but we should stop expanding our support for communist regimes. Also, wal mart employees many American workers and say they are trying to support American manufacturing


Sorry that I came off rude earlier, It just that this topic gets me really frustrated
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:11:58 PM EST
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Chinese owned energy companies have been drilling in the Caribbean through shell companies for years. The only difference now is that one of them can openly do it, but even then that company (Nexen) doesn't drill much oil and most of its in US territory. But with Cuba its a whole other ballgame.

We all get it, Obama is an asshole socialist and a shitty president. But Obama isn't the US govt., he is just the head of it. Lots of shit happens without his knowledge or blessing. The dude manages to take more vacations and deal with more domestic politics than any other president, (1) you think he's sitting in briefs all day trying to fix this shit? No, this is normal US State Dept stuff dealing with China, with the occasional bone thrown to Obama supporters that indirectly benefits China.

(2)Having China in Cuba is a bad move. Trinidad and Tobago isn't a national threat to the US. US oil belonging in Louisiana waters drilled by Nexen, not so much. But Cuba is a big country, lots of people who don't like America, with a whole shit load of oil that they suddenly want pumped. They are putting out bids. We do nothing, China wins the bids and Chinese companies, not Canadian subsidiaries, actual Chinese companies with Chinese executives and Chinese workers, and Chinese security forces to defend them. Then more Chinese companies will get in bed with the Cubans, and suddenly China will have a naval base in Cuba. (3) This is the type of shit  the US govt is trying to avoid and why relations are normalizing in Cuba.

Obama could have tried normalizing relations in 2008-2013, but he didn't. Suddenly, just at the same time that China is trying to win huge contracts to pump Cuban oil, located on the north side of Cuba, meaning closer to Florida, and now the US wants to normalize relations with Cuba, with everyone stressing oil as the reason. Its not a conspiracy.
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1. Of course not. I don't think he can spell foreign policy, let alone effectively manage it.

2. 100% Agree.

3. Do you think they are looking at Cuba from that perspective? Do you think Obama (or Kerry) wants to improve the United States' strategic position in the world? (Not being a smartass, just curious.)

Everything I've seen from them has been aimed at undermining gains made in the past 50 years of US foreign policy and building up/projecting strength around the globe.

I'd like to think his (their) intentions were based on the long game and in the best interest of the US, but that would seem contrary to their world view and actions to date.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:14:54 PM EST
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Just because we are funding communism and supporting oppressive regimes does not mean it is right. As a country we ought to make efforts to stop funding communism, and support American manufacturing. But arfcom is full of people that believe in "in for a penny, in for a pound". Meaning since we already trade with commie regimes might as well add more to the list, maybe we can even become Communist ourselves (sarc).

That is not what we should be doing and the end of the Cuba embargo tells me that this country is still headed in the wrong direction.

So to answer the original question, there is not much of a difference, but we should stop expanding our support for communist regimes. Also, wal mart employees many American workers and say they are trying to support American manufacturing

Sorry that I came off rude earlier, It just that this topic gets me really frustrated
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As a nation state we are going to have to do business with countries that are oppressive, which includes communist countries. We opened our relations with China in the 70s, with Vietnam in the 90s, etc. Its business being business. Just because those countries are communist dont mean they don't have products that they can make cheap so American companies can buy for a penny and sell for a dollar, which is the whole point of capitalism.

Cuba isn't even a communist country, its a dictatorship with the founding dictator, the guy that pissed off America, either dead or dying, and his equally old and idiot brother now in charge, for the time being. But Cuba has a product that America wants, called oil. And if we don't get our hands into the Cuban oil market, the Chinese most assuredly will.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:19:28 PM EST
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As a nation state we are going to have to do business with countries that are oppressive, which includes communist countries. We opened our relations with China in the 70s, with Vietnam in the 90s, etc. Its business being business. Just because those countries are communist dont mean they don't have products that they can make cheap so American companies can buy for a penny and sell for a dollar, which is the whole point of capitalism.

Cuba isn't even a communist country, its a dictatorship with the founding dictator, the guy that pissed off America, either dead or dying, and his equally old and idiot brother now in charge, for the time being. But Cuba has a product that America wants, called oil. And if we don't get our hands into the Cuban oil market, the Chinese most assuredly will.
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Just because we are funding communism and supporting oppressive regimes does not mean it is right. As a country we ought to make efforts to stop funding communism, and support American manufacturing. But arfcom is full of people that believe in "in for a penny, in for a pound". Meaning since we already trade with commie regimes might as well add more to the list, maybe we can even become Communist ourselves (sarc).

That is not what we should be doing and the end of the Cuba embargo tells me that this country is still headed in the wrong direction.

So to answer the original question, there is not much of a difference, but we should stop expanding our support for communist regimes. Also, wal mart employees many American workers and say they are trying to support American manufacturing

Sorry that I came off rude earlier, It just that this topic gets me really frustrated


As a nation state we are going to have to do business with countries that are oppressive, which includes communist countries. We opened our relations with China in the 70s, with Vietnam in the 90s, etc. Its business being business. Just because those countries are communist dont mean they don't have products that they can make cheap so American companies can buy for a penny and sell for a dollar, which is the whole point of capitalism.

Cuba isn't even a communist country, its a dictatorship with the founding dictator, the guy that pissed off America, either dead or dying, and his equally old and idiot brother now in charge, for the time being. But Cuba has a product that America wants, called oil. And if we don't get our hands into the Cuban oil market, the Chinese most assuredly will.




Trust me, they are more communist than China


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cuba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba#Revolution_and_Communist_party_rule_.281959.E2.80.93present.29
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:21:33 PM EST
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1. Of course not. I don't think he can spell foreign policy, let alone effectively manage it.

2. 100% Agree.

3. Do you think they are looking at Cuba from that perspective? Do you think Obama (or Kerry) wants to improve the United States' strategic position in the world? (Not being a smartass, just curious.)

Everything I've seen from them has been aimed at undermining gains made in the past 50 years of US foreign policy and building up/projecting strength around the globe.

I'd like to think his (their) intentions were based on the long game and in the best interest of the US, but that would seem contrary to their world view and actions to date.
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Chinese owned energy companies have been drilling in the Caribbean through shell companies for years. The only difference now is that one of them can openly do it, but even then that company (Nexen) doesn't drill much oil and most of its in US territory. But with Cuba its a whole other ballgame.

We all get it, Obama is an asshole socialist and a shitty president. But Obama isn't the US govt., he is just the head of it. Lots of shit happens without his knowledge or blessing. The dude manages to take more vacations and deal with more domestic politics than any other president, (1) you think he's sitting in briefs all day trying to fix this shit? No, this is normal US State Dept stuff dealing with China, with the occasional bone thrown to Obama supporters that indirectly benefits China.

(2)Having China in Cuba is a bad move. Trinidad and Tobago isn't a national threat to the US. US oil belonging in Louisiana waters drilled by Nexen, not so much. But Cuba is a big country, lots of people who don't like America, with a whole shit load of oil that they suddenly want pumped. They are putting out bids. We do nothing, China wins the bids and Chinese companies, not Canadian subsidiaries, actual Chinese companies with Chinese executives and Chinese workers, and Chinese security forces to defend them. Then more Chinese companies will get in bed with the Cubans, and suddenly China will have a naval base in Cuba. (3) This is the type of shit  the US govt is trying to avoid and why relations are normalizing in Cuba.

Obama could have tried normalizing relations in 2008-2013, but he didn't. Suddenly, just at the same time that China is trying to win huge contracts to pump Cuban oil, located on the north side of Cuba, meaning closer to Florida, and now the US wants to normalize relations with Cuba, with everyone stressing oil as the reason. Its not a conspiracy.


1. Of course not. I don't think he can spell foreign policy, let alone effectively manage it.

2. 100% Agree.

3. Do you think they are looking at Cuba from that perspective? Do you think Obama (or Kerry) wants to improve the United States' strategic position in the world? (Not being a smartass, just curious.)

Everything I've seen from them has been aimed at undermining gains made in the past 50 years of US foreign policy and building up/projecting strength around the globe.

I'd like to think his (their) intentions were based on the long game and in the best interest of the US, but that would seem contrary to their world view and actions to date.


I don't think every single thing Obama and Kerry do is to the purposeful detriment of the United States. They are career politicians, meaning they sideline as crooked businessmen. All of their major supporters are businessmen, and people like Obama get into power by doing favors for their supporters. By ideology they are both far left, bordering on socialist, but they aren't Chinese or Cubam, neither of whose govts are actually communist, which means Obama and Kerry may act in some issues that may benefit the Chinese or Cubans but only because it benefits themselves more so. Meanwhile, a thousands things come up daily on the agenda for both me that need to be decided upon, which will have oversight by a Republican controlled Congress and much of the free press, so they can't be too outright corrupt without bad press, which both avoid as much as possible.

If you want this whole Cuba thing to be about Obama being in bed with communist Cubans, you can probably make a case for it but it will be based on your own bias unfortunately. This whole Cuban relations thing is entirely about oil and its been no secret in DC. Everyone knows why its happening but if you only read one or two articles about it, both from tainted and biased sources, then it will seem like a conspiracy. Its not, and further taints the struggle against actual conspiracies Obama was involved in by diluting them by crying wolf for everything.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:24:28 PM EST
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Can't wait to vacation in Cuba soon, sipping Cuban rum, smoking real Cohibas, looking at cute Cuban female asses.

Funding communism and supporting an oppressive regime


No fucks to give, always thought the cuban embargo was bullshit, only hurts the cuban people and not the rulers who continue to live like kings.

Funding communism? Our country funds the fuck out of communism everytime someone buys some chinese made shit at walmart or some american company opens another factory in China.

Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:29:18 PM EST
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Cuba has had foreign tourism and investment for decades, so we're late to the party.  Our new found Castro love ain't gonna change anything.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:34:39 PM EST
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No fucks to give, always thought the cuban embargo was bullshit, only hurts the cuban people and not the rulers who continue to live like kings.

Funding communism? Our country funds the fuck out of communism everytime someone buys some chinese made shit at walmart or some american company opens another factory in China.

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Can't wait to vacation in Cuba soon, sipping Cuban rum, smoking real Cohibas, looking at cute Cuban female asses.

Funding communism and supporting an oppressive regime


No fucks to give, always thought the cuban embargo was bullshit, only hurts the cuban people and not the rulers who continue to live like kings.

Funding communism? Our country funds the fuck out of communism everytime someone buys some chinese made shit at walmart or some american company opens another factory in China.


"in for a penny, in for a pound"
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 1:37:04 PM EST
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1. If you want this whole Cuba thing to be about Obama being in bed with communist Cubans, you can probably make a case for it but it will be based on your own bias unfortunately. 2. This whole Cuban relations thing is entirely about oil and its been no secret in DC. Everyone knows why its happening but if you only read one or two articles about it, both from tainted and biased sources, then it will 3. seem like a conspiracy. Its not, and further taints the struggle against actual conspiracies Obama was involved in by diluting them by crying wolf for everything.
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1. Never said that. He isn't "in bed" with the Cubans, but he does like their ideology.

2. Entirely? Everyone? lol.

3. Never said it was a conspiracy and never thought it was. It's just Obama putting the progress in "progressive."

As for them not being too corrupt lest they get bad press , surely you aren't taking about the current monarchy.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 2:22:21 PM EST
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The Cubans are demanding that we "gift" them Guantanamo Bay before relations are fully restored.



I'll be shocked if he doesn't give it to them.



He wants a legacy, and one hell of a fucking legacy it will be.






Link Posted: 7/1/2015 2:55:19 PM EST
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The Cubans are demanding that we "gift" them Guantanamo Bay before relations are fully restored.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't give it to them.

He wants a legacy, and one hell of a fucking legacy it will be.
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Easiest way to get the detention facility closed.

(Some of Holder's best pals at Covington represented all the Yemeni detainees. They even got some freed, who then blew themselves up in crowded markets. )
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 2:56:52 PM EST
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The Cubans are demanding that we "gift" them Guantanamo Bay before relations are fully restored.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't give it to them.

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They've been saying shit like that for a year. Its part of negotiating, playing hardball, telling the press one thing, the US concedes on other things.
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