Hey thickskull, why don't you reread the first post and learn what this thread is about.

And despite it being irrelevant to the thread, regarding the alleged innocent afghans who have been killed--considering the millions of innocents who have been saved from starving to death, I think the civilians are better off.  Let's see, several million saved minus a few hundred(?) or a few thousand(?) killed (I don't have the numbers) is still a net gain of several million afghan lives.

Hay Zoonan, that there is what we call in our neck of the woods a TROLL,  Just thought you might like to know.

Benjamin

Outraged? Hell Yes.  I was outraged at them each time they carried out attacks which went unavenged.  My outrage reached max capacity on Sept. 11 now I'm not sure how much higher it can go.

I'm not surprised the leftist media has downplayed it.  They have an attitude much like Trickshots.

cmon, cut trick-shot a break. thats the way it is in the third world. the kill ratio in afghanistan has got to be somewhere like 800 to 1. i would say losing 9 in a campaign that killed houndreds almost a thousand is a testament to the power and superiority of the United States Military. if an al-queda soldier was shooting at you in your backyard would you hold him until the authorities arrive, hell no youd shoot the sunofabitch! and thats the way the untrained, unprofessional taliban monkey-spankers think of it. none of us were there but you can be damn sure that this guy didnt go out as a victim. he went down swinging, and thats something to be proud of!!!

Another disgusting example of the media/liberal double standard. But there was coverage of the "rolling" hunger strike today. Oh, the humanity!!

Thanks for pointing that out.  I should have known that no one could actually be that stupid.



Of course we need to go about our business, but there is no harm in pointing out such a clear example of the left's hypocrisy to our peers.  Many decent people have been so conditioned by their public education and continual bombardment of socialist "thought" that they don't think anything of it when things like this occur.  But if someone will just take a moment of their time and point it out sometimes these folks can be awakened, as I can attest to.

What outrage?  Well...I wouldn't expect any less of these murderous barbarians.  My outrage is for all the so called humanitarians who would have displayed industrial strength hissy fits had U.S. soliders done the same thing to an Al-Queda or Taliban goatf#$*.  There silence and that of the media speaks volumes to me.

I'm more angered by these hypocrites than anything done by the murderers on the other side of this fight.  It is said that the Chinese have many hells.  Well these liberal, bliss-ninny, dumbsh)#%$, no-load, pus-nutted dip-doo motherf*($#, terrorist collaborators deserve to suffer every one of those hells.

Guys, let's stick together on this one.  I think we all feel outrage at what happened to Neil Roberts.  I'm 53, getting old and decrepit, and move with all the grace of a drunk water buffalo, but I would love nothing better than for Gen. Franks to chopper me in there with my M1A and all the ammo I could carry and let me see how many of those pricks I could take out.

I don't know if many of you have read "Flags of Our Fathers".  It's about the 5 marines and 1 navy corpsman in the famous Iwo Jima photograph, and was written by the son of the navy corpsman.  His father had a close friend with him on Iwo who disappeared during the fighting.  They found the guy's body after the island was secured.  Apparently he wandered too close to a cave where Japanese were holed up.  They grabbed him, tortured him, and killed him.  When they found the body, he had his ears cut off, eyes gouged out, tongue cut off, and penis cut off and stuck in his mouth.  This was a young 19 or 20 year old marine.  I was so upset by this that I had to stop reading the book for a few days.

We seem in many ways to be the only sane people on earth.  I can't imagine an American soldier doing this to anyone.  And I surely hope it never happens to one of ours again.

Let's all agree that our most fervent desire is to arrange the timely meeting of all these pricks with Allah, the sooner the better, and bring our guys home.  And may their 72 virgins all be clones of Rosie O'Donnell.

well said marvl.

The_Macallan:

Why does this suprise you? You really think that the f#$kheads in Washington DC (including George W.), give a hoot about some US Navy SEAL that fell out of his chopper? Did we not learn anything about how our government treats their own from the Vietnam War? US Taxpayers are being sued by civil rights groups on behalf of those towelheads in Cuba, while Bush and his central planner in DC are screwing around trying to figure out what next to do in Afghanistan. Bin Laden is probably in Iran or N. Africa somewhere watching all of this crap unfold on CNN.

A Navy SEAL, a man, died in combat that could have been avoided long ago. That man will never see his family and possibly children all because our government keeps insisting that we support Israel and the Saudi Arabian government.

Speaking of Israel, read this about their 9/11 connections:

[url]http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html[/url]

It goes at length about Israeli infiltration and spying in the US and how the media hasn't reported any of it.

themao [chainsawkill]

I see another backstabbing libertarian has oozed out of his hiding place.

No, I'm not surprised. Just sickened by our media and their blatant anti-Americanism.

I don't think GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld or Franks is a f**khead. (I'm not sure about Powell though).

"Justice" seems to be being served well to the barbaric anti-American hordes over there.  

It's the barbaric anti-American hordes here at CNN/NBC/CBS/USATODAY/ GoodMorningAmerica/NYTimes/ LATimes/ WashingtonPost/ etc. that concerns me.

I Just read this about the death of Petty Officer Roberts on one of the links Tuuka provided –

“BMF,
The story I heard was that upon falling from the helo, PO Roberts was able to get to cover abot 75yds away where he waited for a rescue helo. When the rescue helo arrived it came under intense machinegun fire from Al Queda troops. Roberts then moved from his position of cover killing the entire machinegun crew with his pistol and was killed in the ensuing fire fight.
This was first reported here by Class29wc and verified by Frog...it was also reported on FOXNEWS last night. Is it possible that the dragging and execution happend after the heroic action described above?”

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I think this clears up something that has been bothering me since this happened – Why were Rumsfeld and Franks playing down the execution story?

Consider this strange exchange between Rumsfeld, Franks, and the press .

Q: General Franks, to follow up on that, you did not see the tape of the incident where the -- where Petty Officer Roberts fell out of the helicopter, right?

Franks: Right.

Q: A couple of days ago, you said that he fell out, but you didn't mention that he was dragged away by enemy forces and executed.

Franks: Right.

Q: Did you not know that at the time?

Franks: To be very honest with you, I know of -- I have been told of the report. No, I did not know that at that time. And to be very honest with you, I don't know that for myself yet.

I have spoken with people who in fact were on that mission, as I said on Monday, and the view that I got was I think there are a variety of possibilities of the way this occurred. On Monday what I knew, and what I still know, is that the petty officer in fact fell out of the aircraft. Whether he had been wounded before he fell out of the aircraft, whether he was wounded when he was on the ground, or whether the case, as has been pointed out, I'm told, in the media took place, I'm not sure yet. And I think as we work our way through this we will come to some greater clarity. But right now, I think we'll -- if we're not careful, we'll be victimized by what we know to be the truth, and that is the first two or three reports are likely to be wrong.

And so we will continue to provide the facts as we know them.

(Cross talk.)

Rumsfeld: Wait -- wait -- wait -- wait one second. Wait one second.

I think it's a terribly important point. What we're doing is people in the press are with these forces and they're reporting what they see, and what they see is a certain perspective. They see it from a certain angle, they see an aspect. We're getting reports back from people, and as the general says, they're first reports or second reports. And we know that history is replete with instances where the first or second reports are wrong. It was announced that there were nine dead Americans. It turns out there were eight.

And so you're faced with a choice. Do you try to respond as fully as you can and caution people that the first reports may not be correct, or -- and then be subjected to, "Well, didn't you know this when you said that?" -- that type of a question that you posed. And it seems to me that people have to develop the ability to absorb these kinds of reports in the press, reports from the podium, with an understanding that they're going to be calibrated, they're inevitably going to be calibrated as a day or two or 48 hours goes by and additional perspectives come in.

Q: General --

Franks: If I could -- if I could, just one more -- one more quick one.

There will be a lot of views on this particular incident. And that is not speculation. I will tell you that I have talked to three, maybe four people who were either present or have reviewed the result of this, and it would probably not surprise you that each of the three or four has a different view of what happened.

And so I think what we are seeing response to is a comment that is one of those views. And I think the secretary's remarks are right. I'd rather get it out there and then -- and have -- all of us understand that we will develop the truth over time, because there's not a desire to hide it.

Q: Okay. General --

Rumsfeld: Let me -- one other thing that I think is worth mentioning. I think what is important about this instance is not whether a -- we know a fine American's dead. It is not whether the bullet hit him from ground fire while he was still in the helicopter or after he fell to the ground and hit by ground fire or after someone came up and shot him again. We may never know that. That was a matter of minutes.

What's important about this is that the United States of America did not decide to withdraw and leave the field. It decided -- those forces decided to go in, bring a helicopter in, get the body, get the wounded and get them to safety. And the United States of America is leaning forward and not back.

-END-

This could explain why the execution story was not given the coverage it deserved by the mainstream press. Rumsfeld and Franks knew there was more to than what was in the public record, but for some reason did not want the info to get out. Can’t imagine why though.

I am not taking up for the media, just putting forth a hypothesis.


Mike

[b]EXACTLY![/b]  This make me want to fucking puke!  It's like "well, what do you expect from the Al Queda?", as if to say it is more acceptable because they're terrorists? WTF???!!!  How about this, we let them set the mood of the war...No prisoners?!...No problem assholes!!!  You want to try to fight a war of attrition with us?!  This ain't no Vietnam!!!

Isn't trickshot the same ignoramus that went off half cocked about the CBS 9/11 special?  

I say we stick a pigs penis in every dead terrorists mouth.  And then leave them to rot in the sun.  Oh and send a picture to the algezeria news agency.

Or if thats too graphic, maybe a pigs foot up their ass.  

We need to stop pussy footing around.   This is a war and people die in wars.  

Waaaa,  the detainees want to kill us but we are depriving them of their rights as terrrorists to carry out their missions.   Waaa, they get food, shelter, and medical attention.    F@#$& that.   I think I'll go give some clothing to the homeless shelter.  And some food to the food bank.     It's a shame we have people in this country that don't have it that good.

F@#$&  'em