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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:13:21 PM EDT
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What happens here, then? 
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Well, at least California's not on the bottom of the heap any more.  Til Jan 1? What happens here, then?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:14:04 PM EDT
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We register and wait for confiscation or we don't register, become felons and wait for confiscation. What, specifically, do we register in California starting Jan. 1? Did I miss something? |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:14:42 PM EDT
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confiscate what? what is going on?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:17:32 PM EDT
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. And the sock puppets around here will post POOR OFFICERS!!Yup. End of Watch, brothers 
We gotta stomp these libertarian fuckwads! 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:18:59 PM EDT
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confiscate what? what is going on? Copper ammo for hunting, "rebuild kits", crazy people, HSCs. That's all I know about. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:21:03 PM EDT
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Well......we said it was coming. Now it's here. Who will be the first to knock on a door and announce "I'm here to take your gun!" Who will be the first to say "NO!" Who will the first LEO to be gunned down in his/her attempt at confiscation. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:22:22 PM EDT
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They can start with anyone who's ever legally owned a pistol.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act...." Then don't. For God's sake, if you know something is wrong, refuse to do it. In New York City, the police already have a more or less accurate database of registered firearms so they have a list of doors to knock on. Outside of NYC, how would "the authorities" compile a list of citizens to harass? They can start with anyone who's ever legally owned a pistol. Don't forget that they've started sending out letters to gun owners who registered long guns with 5 or more round capacity in NYC. It won't affect the homies who bought their guns illegally and of course, never registered them. But the law abiding individuals who complied with the registration law are being targeted by the gun grab. Lesson learned from that? |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is what they passed in CT as bad as NY? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This business starts in CT on Jan. 1. Is what they passed in CT as bad as NY? CT got handed a soup sandwich. The only difference is we got 10 rounders, not 7. That and they left a minor stone unturned, which I'm not hashing out in GD.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:27:43 PM EDT
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First shot heard round the world happened in the north east. I'm ok with seeing history repeated.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:29:04 PM EDT
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How it goes in NY will set the stage for the rest of us. WE ARE WATCHING NY. and Fuck Cum-O
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:31:31 PM EDT
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You WILL comply |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:40:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:43:45 PM EDT
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Liberals are not trying to take our guns.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:45:57 PM EDT
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Liberals are not trying to take our guns. If you like your guns you can keep your guns. Period. 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:48:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This business starts in CT on Jan. 1. Is what they passed in CT as bad as NY? Yep. "The Constitution State" Just a slogan. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:54:31 PM EDT
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Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. Nice Scout |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:54:59 PM EDT
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The "mad gun owner" scenario the left anticipates can be risky. It depends on officers being killed, and then overwhelming force being applied to squash the bug. It needs to follow a carefully written script to play out correctly, and that includes goading the holdout into reacting violently so that the state violence will be justified. Then the message of safely, compliance, and harmony can be drizzled out to the collaborative media.
But if the next guy to get his stuff seized also reacts violently, and the next guy, it can quickly spiral out of control to the point where the cops getting shot start saying "fuck this" and the whole program collapses. We'll see how it plays out. There's a long history of cowering to the state in New York, so I expect only one interesting evening's news, if that, and that will be the end of it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:56:03 PM EDT
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"The Constitution State" Just a slogan.
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This business starts in CT on Jan. 1. Is what they passed in CT as bad as NY? Yep. "The Constitution State" Just a slogan.
As it was explained to me MD isn't far behind and why I withdrew from consideration for a job down there. There's a nice big chunk of property not too far from here. ARFCOM group by on a compound? CommieState Refugee Camp. 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:57:41 PM EDT
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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:58:49 PM EDT
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The "mad gun owner" scenario the left anticipates can be risky. It depends on officers being killed, and then overwhelming force being applied to squash the bug. It needs to follow a carefully written script to play out correctly, and that includes goading the holdout into reacting violently so that the state violence will be justified. Then the message of safely, compliance, and harmony can be drizzled out to the collaborative media. But if the next guy to get his stuff seized also reacts violently, and the next guy, it can quickly spiral out of control to the point where the cops getting shot start saying "fuck this" and the whole program collapses. We'll see how it plays out. There's a long history of cowering to the state in New York, so I expect only one interesting evening's news, if that, and that will be the end of it. Hmmmm...now how could the media be used against itself in a case like this?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:01:55 PM EDT
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We live in very interesting times. Dangerous and potentially very violent. But interesting nonetheless.
I never imagined living to see the shot heard round the world 2.0. But I very likely will. I just hope that there *is* that shot...and not an overwhelming silence. Will not comply. Will never comply. And will resist with equal force of arms those who try to make me. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:03:34 PM EDT
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Paychecks and pensions will assure it gets done. Traitors! |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:03:40 PM EDT
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Hmmmm...now how could the media be used against itself in a case like this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "mad gun owner" scenario the left anticipates can be risky. It depends on officers being killed, and then overwhelming force being applied to squash the bug. It needs to follow a carefully written script to play out correctly, and that includes goading the holdout into reacting violently so that the state violence will be justified. Then the message of safely, compliance, and harmony can be drizzled out to the collaborative media. But if the next guy to get his stuff seized also reacts violently, and the next guy, it can quickly spiral out of control to the point where the cops getting shot start saying "fuck this" and the whole program collapses. We'll see how it plays out. There's a long history of cowering to the state in New York, so I expect only one interesting evening's news, if that, and that will be the end of it. Hmmmm...now how could the media be used against itself in a case like this? I don't care to speculate on wargaming a confrontation where people are going to die just to manipulate the message. Maybe you were going somewhere else with this and I just missed it? |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:18:38 PM EDT
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I don't care to speculate on wargaming a confrontation where people are going to die just to manipulate the message. Maybe you were going somewhere else with this and I just missed it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "mad gun owner" scenario the left anticipates can be risky. It depends on officers being killed, and then overwhelming force being applied to squash the bug. It needs to follow a carefully written script to play out correctly, and that includes goading the holdout into reacting violently so that the state violence will be justified. Then the message of safely, compliance, and harmony can be drizzled out to the collaborative media. But if the next guy to get his stuff seized also reacts violently, and the next guy, it can quickly spiral out of control to the point where the cops getting shot start saying "fuck this" and the whole program collapses. We'll see how it plays out. There's a long history of cowering to the state in New York, so I expect only one interesting evening's news, if that, and that will be the end of it. Hmmmm...now how could the media be used against itself in a case like this? I don't care to speculate on wargaming a confrontation where people are going to die just to manipulate the message. Maybe you were going somewhere else with this and I just missed it? Yes, I was. The media likes to spin things, and to showcase their "stories" for their masters...and the gullible. Be a shame if they had nothing to report on. Be a bigger shame if all of their reporting was proven so false, biased and questionable that it couldn't effectively be used to spread the compliance "message". I think the term was 'maskirovka' or something like that. I'm sure others can figure out how to accomplish this via passive resistance. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:27:25 PM EDT
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County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act... Sure they don't... When it comes down to "go confiscate them" or "good luck finding a new job" Guess which one most will choose?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:30:48 PM EDT
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Not only that, but it would surely get the ball rolling on further legislation. Perhaps Federal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. Not only that, but it would surely get the ball rolling on further legislation. Perhaps Federal. Let just see them try it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:37:32 PM EDT
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Who will the first LEO to be gunned down in his/her attempt at confiscation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well......we said it was coming. Now it's here. Who will be the first to knock on a door and announce "I'm here to take your gun!" Who will be the first to say "NO!" Who will the first LEO to be gunned down in his/her attempt at confiscation. Most likely some poor bastard with 6 kids, two of whom are special needs. What I would like to hear some sheriff say is, "OK, Governor. YOU lead this. YOU! Why-Oh-fucking Ewe. Here's a pistol and there's Crazy Larry's house and he's home right now. YOU go up to his door and tell him that You are taking his guns. Now go. Lead us. Set an example. Lead from the front, Governor." Uhhh...Uhhh. The hemming and hawing would be epic. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:48:43 PM EDT
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FUAC, the best part of you ran down the crack of your whore mother's ass!
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:53:10 PM EDT
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Anyone else see the Avila's on channel 10 news?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:08:49 PM EDT
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County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act... Sure they don't... They might whine about it, but in the end, their desire to keep their job and pension will encourage them to do as they are told. Quoted:
And, actually, I had a recent disagreement with my wife's uncle - an NYPD captain - about the very topic of being morally responsible for our actions, whether or not they are "legal". I had that fresh in my mind when I read the above. You might mention that many German military members did exactly as they were told, and were later HUNG til they were dead. No matter that it was LEGAL and compulsory that you committed atrocities against Jews and other minorities. Bonus points if the cop is Jewish. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:18:52 PM EDT
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Time to stand up NY
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:19:49 PM EDT
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FUAC yeah fuck him |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:20:56 PM EDT
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New York has been using the Sullivan Act to confiscate firearms for over 100 years. yet I bet you I am the only one who even noticed your comment. 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:21:33 PM EDT
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And the sock puppets around here will post POOR OFFICERS!!Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. And the sock puppets around here will post POOR OFFICERS!!yes they will!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:25:26 PM EDT
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This business starts in CT on Jan. 1.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:27:53 PM EDT
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Does anyone remember when Gov. Rockefeller tried to impose a tax on the Indians in NYS back in the 70's ? The troopers didn't dare cross the burning tires laid across the road. The Indians where out there with there guns. Who would have known how far that would have went have they tried to disarm the Indians. It would have been a fucking blood bath.
This time the state is surrounded and not the Indians. I would think twice Andy |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:31:56 PM EDT
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. And the sock puppets around here will post POOR OFFICERS!!yes they will!!!!!!!!! You know what's as intellectually dishonest as Obama's whoremouth itself? Putting words in people's mouths and/or making shit up out of whole cloth and then denouncing those who didn't actually say it. It's a leftist tactic I remember the hippies using back in the 1960s when I was in college. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:38:30 PM EDT
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In New York City, the police already have a more or less accurate database of registered firearms so they have a list of doors to knock on. Outside of NYC, how would "the authorities" compile a list of citizens to harass? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act...." Then don't. For God's sake, if you know something is wrong, refuse to do it. In New York City, the police already have a more or less accurate database of registered firearms so they have a list of doors to knock on. Outside of NYC, how would "the authorities" compile a list of citizens to harass? The SAFE act basically mirrors the NYC local laws on guns. So all the icky hi cap baby killers are already a no-no there. As for the rest of the state, don't know. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:39:11 PM EDT
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If Cuomo goes through with this it might just be time for some people to put their money where their mouth is. If there's a few 'isolated incidents' then nothing much will happen and probably the media would try to blame it on "lone nut gun owners". If there's more than a few incidents things could spiral out of control and get very intriguing indeed.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:41:16 PM EDT
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I think that I remember reading about a similar situation back in World History in high school.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:45:08 PM EDT
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The SAFE act basically mirrors the NYC local laws on guns. So all the icky hi cap baby killers are already a no-no there. As for the rest of the state, don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act...." Then don't. For God's sake, if you know something is wrong, refuse to do it. In New York City, the police already have a more or less accurate database of registered firearms so they have a list of doors to knock on. Outside of NYC, how would "the authorities" compile a list of citizens to harass? The SAFE act basically mirrors the NYC local laws on guns. So all the icky hi cap baby killers are already a no-no there. As for the rest of the state, don't know. The NYC law now prohibits long guns with a capacity of more than 5 rounds, which were previously legal to own and were already registered by law abiding New York City dwellers so the authorities know where to look for them. New York State doesn't have a registry of long guns to work from. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:48:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:49:15 PM EDT
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Don't want to and wont are two totally different things. They will enforce it with the same zeal that they do other unpopular laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act... Sure they don't... Don't want to and wont are two totally different things. They will enforce it with the same zeal that they do other unpopular laws. Yeah, that's one reason they established the Einsatzgruppen. Shooting all those civilians was causing morale problems in the Wermacht rank and file. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:51:16 PM EDT
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County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act which is now the governor’s law
Well then, don't. .......................... "Sorry, we found no such firearms........" If you took an oath to uphold the constitution, and someone tells you to piss on it, it doesn't exactly fit the " you guys just want us to pick and choose the laws we enforce" criteria, then, does it? It's your moral dilemmna, not mine. Choice: stand up to one petty would be dictator, or stand up to every otherwise Law Abiding American citizen who chooses not to comply. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What, specifically, do we register in California starting Jan. 1? Did I miss something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We register and wait for confiscation or we don't register, become felons and wait for confiscation. What, specifically, do we register in California starting Jan. 1? Did I miss something? |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:56:57 PM EDT
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there once was this big boating accident
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Posted: 12/9/2013 3:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Fuck cumo |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 4:01:11 PM EDT
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First shot heard round the world happened in the north east. I'm ok with seeing history repeated. Oddly enough it involved firearm & ammo confiscation too... |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 4:03:39 PM EDT
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Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let that POS be the first to try an take someones gun the coward. Are you kidding? That mutherfucker lies in bed at night humping the pillow and thinking about an armed American in a standoff with the "authorities" over confiscation. The media will attack the first person to do that so hard, that there will be little sympathy left for anyone else to take a stand. He DREAMS of "making an example" out of someone who is principled enough to stand up to him. Back in 1770's, folks would go to HIS house if they didn't like how he was governing. Guess only the left does that today. Probably why they're "winning". |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 4:05:13 PM EDT
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The only reason there wasn't confiscation put into the SAFE Act is because the State Police were afraid to enforce it. The NYC gungrabbers, who are running the show, were going to put it in and were shocked to find out that it would be a problem.
The state Republican Party is a joke, Long Island's Republicans pushed the SAFE Act through, so the author is a little too optimistic about gunowners showing up for whoever the Republican Party runs, right now the GOP establishment is backing Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino because "he draws Democrat voters. Westchester is one of the few counties that did not object to the SAFE Act (along with Long Island, NYC, Albany and Tompkins (Ithaca)) Are upstate gunowners going to fall all over themselves voting for this guy? "only congress should ban assault rifles" was what this hard charging hope of the NY Republican Party said. Nothing is going to be confiscated. All serious rifles are illegal in NY, either illegal to own now, or if you register, illegal once you die. Gun ownership dies with the current generation of mostly older gun owners. |
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