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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:04:49 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes on AR/Hunting rifles
The handgun is a Sig so no safety to worry about. I think most people would use safeties on handguns if they were to put them on the frame like 1911's instead of high on the slide like S&W's, Rugers...... |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:08:04 AM EDT
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Your friend is a wise man. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:08:41 AM EDT
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I honestly can't believe I am reading about people that don't use the safety on their firearms. This has been some of the dumbest reading I've done in a long time. Good Lord! Go get some training people. I sure as hell won't shoot with someone that refuses to use a safety. In fact I doubt I'd even associate with that person. This is incredible.
Wouldn't "refuses to use safety" be grounds for an asswhoopin? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:10:37 AM EDT
[#4]
The Sig and the Glock don't matter anyway.
Otherwise, if it has a safety I use it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:12:03 AM EDT
[#5]
The reason you not need to worry about the safety on Glocks or Sigs is because *hopefully* you are carrying them in a holster that protects the trigger. You can't do that with a rifle. Stumbling through the woods with a loaded rifle with the safety off is stoopid
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:12:15 AM EDT
[#6]
For the sake of arguement, let's agree that decocker = safety on weapons such as Sigs.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:14:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:15:48 AM EDT
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People make mistakes. A safety, though not failsafe, is another barrier between the fallibility of man and a catastrophic, possibly deadly, accident.
Anyone who doesn't do everything they can to minimize the possibility of an accident is irresponsible. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:19:52 AM EDT
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Nope - I can't agree. Same with loaded chamber or cocking indicators - they are not safeties. What possible benefit can be had by calling thses things a safety (especially when they are not)? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:21:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:26:32 AM EDT
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Not using a safety on a range is fine. Not using one while hunting is stupid. Too many things in the bush can snag the trigger. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:26:42 AM EDT
[#12]
I think the intent was that to say that a decocker is a type of safety measure for the weapon. My P99 has a decocker too, and, in most classes I've been to the instructors have us utilize the decocker like we do a safety while we're hot. Obviously, it's not a mechanical safety, but, it is an additional measure, which, like a safety, you should utilize. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:28:49 AM EDT
[#13]
No doubt, I wouldn't hunt with him either. Too many close calls already in my life from other nimrods, Marines, and soldiers who "didn't need a safety" or watched BHD too many times. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:29:10 AM EDT
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Man, no kidding. If you aren't bright enough to use a safety, please, PLEASE let me know if we happen to attend any AR15.com shoots together. I will not subject myself or my wife to that kind of stupidity and risk. You will use your safety or one of us will leave. I will gladly be the one to leave but I will be sure to let everyone else know we have a severe hazard present before I do. 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:29:20 AM EDT
[#15]
Only hunting or while shooting highpower matches
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:30:02 AM EDT
[#16]
No, it's not. Any training courses I've been through would kick you off the range if you refused to use your safety. Why would you not put as many simple barriers between your weapon and, possibly killing someone negligently as possible? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:30:40 AM EDT
[#17]
Always use any equipped safety on a firearm until you are on target and ready to fire.
AR15 in port carry position, safety on 1911 cocked, AND locked HK or Sig, one in chamber, decocked, safety OFF Glock, finger off trigger until on target. Use any equipped safety onthe firearm until on target. Get it? |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:31:35 AM EDT
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I disagree it's "fine" to not use one on a range--muscle memory and habits are what keep us safe. Diligent consistency is mandatory. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:32:21 AM EDT
[#19]
I use the safety switch when there is one, but I am careful to follow the safety rules at all times.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:33:33 AM EDT
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A rifle like that should not be carried. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:33:58 AM EDT
[#21]
if it has a manual safety I use it,
of course I don't really believe in "accidental" discharges either, only negligent ones. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:34:33 AM EDT
[#22]
So, I can't shoot some of my guns at all?  Some of them do not have safeties...
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:38:59 AM EDT
[#23]
What you adress was basically covered in Pg2. Obviously if you are running a Glock, Sig, P99, etc, you don't have a mechanical safe. Obviously, then, you can't use a saftey on a weapon that doesn't have one. However, that does not make it ok to NOT use a safety on a weapon on the range, or anywhere else that DOES have one. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:39:21 AM EDT
[#24]
Are your thought processes so simple? 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:41:19 AM EDT
[#25]
At the range, I empty my weapon and remove the magazine with the bolt open, thats my safety.
At home, the loaded guns use no safety and are always ready to go. Out hunting, the safety is on. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:42:01 AM EDT
[#26]
Yup--I have a State Arms Rebel with no safety. It's a single shot, bolt action rifle with a crisp 2# trigger--and no safety. It intended to be loaded just prior to firing--not carried in a loaded state. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:42:21 AM EDT
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Hunting, sitting in a stand/blind - No
Hunting, walking around - Yes This came up a while back, and that wasnt clarified until later. 90A% of the hunting I did was in a stand.... and no, I dont put my safety on in a stand. Handguns, NEVER. The slide is either locked back if the pistol is to be set down, or it is holstered. The only safety I ever engage on a handgun is a 1911. Skeet shooting - No. Bench shooting at the range - No Bolt is either locked back/open or I am shooting. Weapon stored - No. If I store a weapon chambered, it is ready to go for defense... and typically it's a Glock, so a moot point. Shotguns and rifles are never stored chambered, otherwise they absolutely would be placed on safety.... If a weapon is to be handed to another person, it is either placed on safety (shooting), or it is emptied and locked open. (inspection) Taking a course with the AR - the safety goes on and off a bazillion times, as commanded by the instructor. Shooting a match with the AR - hardly ever is the safety engaged. The weapons always begin locked and empty. We are commanded to load and make ready, at which point the finger becomes the safety. When the shooting stops, you are immediately commanded to unload and show clear. My AR safety is really only used in classes.... otherwise, the bolt is locked back, or I am shooting it. Right or wrong, that is how I do it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:42:52 AM EDT
[#28]
 I was thinking the same thing but I was trying to be nice  |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:49:48 AM EDT
[#29]
My position on this site notwithstanding, I can see no reason to sugar coat safety issues. I am a true firearm safety fanatic. I was a hunter long before I started shooting refrigerators and bowling pins and I have seen the effects of a bullet passing through the tissue of an animal. I will do ANYTHING to keep that from happening to myself or anyone around me. People who are too stupid to use safeties 100% of the time are simply not smart enough to be trusted in my presence with firearms--period. There is NO reason to not use a safety and EVERY reason to use one. Sheesh! |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:55:50 AM EDT
[#30]
What is up with those instructors and their preoccupation with safety?
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:59:46 AM EDT
[#31]
I carry a Sig or a Glock everyday what is this manual safety you speak of?
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:00:22 AM EDT
[#32]
Today's definition of irony.....
The "responsible gun owners and shooters" in this thread who don't use a safety. Very disappointing.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:00:30 AM EDT
[#33]
Oh, I agree with you. I only really got into firearms about a year ago, and, the first thing I went out and did was plop down some major dineros on professional training. The fundamentals were pounded into my head from the first day of class: -Muzzle control -finger control -mechanical safe/decock In one class we spent an hour just snapping up from low ready and, disengageing safety for it to become a trained response. I don't see any acceptable reason ever to have your weapon off safe unless you are on target and ready to shoot. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:02:45 AM EDT
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I dunno. It was the first carbine course I ever took, and the instructor was AWESOME. We covered every facet of an advanced class... but in almost all his drills, weapon was placed on safe if you werent shooting. We would all be on the line, and the instructor would call "targets" in which we were to placed a previously determined number of rounds in the target directly in fron of us. We had to take the weapon off safe, and place it back on safe after firing our double-tap. We repeated this for mag after mag.... my hand was almost bloddy at the end of that day... I blistered from using the safety so much. (lefty) No courses I have taken since did that, to the same degree..... but I will never forget it. 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:03:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:08:04 AM EDT
[#36]
Always.
Removing the safety is part of the shooting process. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:28:55 AM EDT
[#37]
I don't blame your friend for not wanting to be around you when you have a gun. Did you take into account what unsafe possibilities exist if you were to slip or fall, or a twig got stuck by accident in your trigger guard? I wonder how many moron gun owners decided that they did not need a safety after they watched Black Hawk Down (referring to the scene when the guy says "My finger is my safety")?
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:30:46 AM EDT
[#38]
1000+ |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:45:19 AM EDT
[#39]
I use it but never RELY on it.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:48:28 AM EDT
[#40]
Of COURSE not!! More than once I've been swept by a muzzle and when I sternly said, "Don't point your rifle/pistol at me!" the dumbass said, "It's okay, the safety is on." My response is always the same--"It's NOT okay and if you do it again I'll beat you with the fucking thing." 
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:48:36 AM EDT
[#41]
Sure i'll put something on Safe, since it takes no longer to take the safety off and fire if thats how you train.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:06:03 AM EDT
[#42]
I generally do not use mechanical safeties. I always use the cerebral safety in my head!
1) I am a lefty, most guns are not southpaw friendly 2) I carry in condition 3. I understand the arguments against it but see #1. 3) Mechanical safeties can and do fail. 4) I have seen too many shooters who use a safety as a substitute for sound judgement and safe handling practices - "Don'y worry, the safety is on." When I am hunting, I usually keep the bolt open until I am ready to aim. Some say it risks spooking the dear- oh well. If I'm using my pump shotgun for deer I'll load only AFTER I am in my stand, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and keep my damn finger off the trigger until I am ready to shoot. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:08:07 AM EDT
[#43]
I don't want to be anywhere near you when you're hunting your "dear". |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:10:37 AM EDT
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It is you two who are being simplistic. Competition trap guns and benchrest rifles totally lack safeties. I shoot these far more than my huning shotguns or rifles. The reason it is okay to shoot them sans safeties is that they are only used in a very controlled range environment. It has NOTHING to do with developing muscle memory or habits. Too many people think their way is always the only right way.
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:10:41 AM EDT
[#45]
Mechanical safeties can fail, but not your "cerebral" safety? I envy you your self-confidence. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:14:40 AM EDT
[#46]
I really don't understand your or anyone elses logic against using a safety. It becomes part of the action of raising the weapon to fire, so it doesn't slow you down. And it IS an added measure of safety. A negligent discharge in this situation can be the end of someone's life. I think too many here think it cool because of the line in BHD. Again, hunt alone. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:16:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:18:16 AM EDT
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I wouldn't hunt with you either. Of course I use my safeties, along with proper firearm handling. The's no reason whatsoever not to. It's like not wearing your sealtbelt because you're a safe driver. It's not the shit you can control that bites you in the ass. It's the shit you can't. ETA, Sorry USMC. I didn't read the whole thread before posting. Spot on,! quote]Quoted:
infinity + 1 The seatbelt in your car is there only to protect you during accidents, consider the safety on your weapon if you trip and fall pointing the weapon at someone it is less likely to go off and kill anyone stupid enough to hunt with you. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:19:26 AM EDT
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I am simply amazed that some here do not use safeties when they are available on a firearm.
That line out of "Blackhawk Down" was cute, but stupid. No well-trained operator would refuse to use a safety. Any high-caliber training school will teach you to use a safety or decocker each and every time a firing string is completed. This is not something we ought to even debate. No one should refuse to use a safety. Period. |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:20:17 AM EDT
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