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Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:05:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2014 3:06:35 PM EDT by Recusance]
I vote disabled. and by that I mean missing legs, arms, major organs and mentally ill that cannot function at above a 3rd grade mental level, verified by doctors that are ineligible for government money in any form. And patient must pay doctor visit out of pocket first, and get three opinions from un-affiliated doctors.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:05:45 PM EDT
Not for self created issues like having bastard kids.
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Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:08:58 PM EDT
You left out the important state/federal distinction.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:09:12 PM EDT
the safety net should be warehouses with cotts and a soupline.  all you need is shelter and food. the rest you should have to work for
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
I think there should be some benefits for veterans.
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Why?  Can't veterans charities take care of them?
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:11:00 PM EDT
Sooooooo.........basically the majority of Arfcommers are fine with FSA as long as it meets their personal requirements.

The real tug of war against liberals is the flavor of big government.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:11:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Nothing at all.

People can contribute to charity of they voluntarily prefer.

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This is the correct answer.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:17:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jerrwhy01:
For the absolute very few who truly cannot work, or for vets that are truly disabled in combat yes. Everyone else can suck it up like the rest of us.
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Big Ditto..............
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:20:13 PM EDT
Fuck no. Poll results are .
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:24:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 3:48:25 PM EDT
Four months of unemployment and not a day more.
Orphaned children need to be cared for.
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Originally Posted By Undefined:


I don't see taking care of vets as a government safety net, I see it as repayment for services rendered.
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jerrwhy01:
For the absolute very few who truly cannot work, or for vets that are truly disabled in combat yes. Everyone else can suck it up like the rest of us.


I don't see taking care of vets as a government safety net, I see it as repayment for services rendered.


THIS!!!!!
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:50:40 PM EDT
No, none because once the politicians start buying votes with YOUR money, the demand will increase until the system crashes.

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Originally Posted By Kevv:
Only for the TRULY disabled.
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So who decides what constitutes being TRULY disabled?  What if the disability was self inflicted?
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:53:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Fixed it.

Polls in GD have absolutely no statistical significance.

They  may be "fun", but they mean nothing.


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Originally Posted By SemperFo:
Fuck no. Poll results are meaningless.


Fixed it.

Polls in GD have absolutely no statistical significance.

They  may be "fun", but they mean nothing.



Thanks Dad.


Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:56:15 PM EDT
state issue
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:56:29 PM EDT
Maybe a psycho ex gf removal service.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:03:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Palandine:
None of those answers reflects my belief.

People in need should look to their families.
If family is unable/unwilling/nonexistenet to help, people should look to their friends.
If friends are unable, etc., to help, people should look to religious and charitable groups.
If those groups are unable to help, people should look to their cities.
If the city is unable to help, people should look to their states.
And if the state can't help, then and only then should they look to the fed.gov.

It would be the tiniest, tiniest percentage of people who'd ever reach that last step.
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Would you like to see how we got to where we are today???














People in need should look to their families.  Why?  Let his so called friends help him.
If family is unable/unwilling/nonexistenet to help, people should look to their friends.  Why?  Let the charities help him.
If friends are unable, etc., to help, people should look to religious and charitable groups.  We don't have the funds to help everyone.  Perhaps he should ask the city.
If those groups are unable to help, people should look to their cities.  We don't have the funds to help everyone.  Perhaps he should ask the state.
If the city is unable to help, people should look to their states.  We don't have the funds to help everyone.  Perhaps he should ask the feds.
And if the state can't help, then and only then should they look to the fed.gov.  We can campaign on "Helping the poor by taxing the shit out of the successful" in order to buy votes to win our election, then line our pockets from the proceeds and rant about there not being enough money to help the poor to get re-elected!!
 
It would be the tiniest, tiniest percentage of people who'd ever reach that last step You were lied to...
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:04:01 PM EDT
NO.



If you're an adult American (Over the age of consent) and you agree to work for someone for

a given rate....what in all holy fuck does the "G-Man" have to do with it?



Are you too STOOOOPID to run your own life ('cause, that's what the "dims" think you are)...

If'n you're that idiot human that needs to go through life with an idiot block so your stupid

ass doesn't make a mistake......I'm so sorry for you (Please seek help!).




Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:07:46 PM EDT
If you've written a blank check for up to and including your life to defend this country, I'm willing to pay your tab with a smile on my face and a thank you. Everyone else with their hands reached out for "entitlements" or a "safety net" can fuck off and die.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:24:08 PM EDT
No safety net, no federal income tax and no SSI.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:32:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Andr0id:
The .gov should not provide subsidies to individuals, corporations or other countries.
By subsidies, I mean incentives, aid, benefits or other forms of payment for which no goods or services are received in return.

Veterans should be covered by a disability insurance plan into which they made payments while serving.
(Oh, just like my disability plan.)


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Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:38:27 PM EDT
Really, any "Safety Net" should be purely at the state level.

If the state wants to fund welfare, go for it.  Bums can move there.

If not, get a job.



Link Posted: 1/24/2014 5:42:52 PM EDT
The title reads funny.

I thought the Constitution was a safety net from the government? LOL

That and especially the Second Amendment.

Link Posted: 1/24/2014 6:03:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jerrwhy01:
For the absolute very few who truly cannot work, or for vets that are truly disabled in combat yes. Everyone else can suck it up like the rest of us.
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This.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:16:30 PM EDT
There should be a Constitutional amendment forbidding the Federal Government from making any kind of social welfare transfer payment with no exceptions. The welfare Clause needs to be drastically limited.

Roads, bridges, Superconducting Supercolliders...dah

Skankshia Gumsnapper's EBT...nyet

No more welfare, civil service or military pensions, no medicare, medicaid, social security...nothing.

Military personnel should have regular, catastrophic, and long term care health insurance paid for while on active duty, and self managed 401K's with matching government contributions. These should be comparable to what service members now receive.

Civil service should get 401K's and subsidized health insurance comparable to similar jobs in the private sector.

Everything else needs to be abolished.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:17:58 PM EDT
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Nope.  Shit can all forms of aid.  Help should come from family, church. Nothing else.
Far too many people get fat and say thy can't work.  Or they have anxiety or some other bullshit claim.  Work or fucking starve in a ditch.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:33:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pcal765:
There should be a Constitutional amendment forbidding the Federal Government from making any kind of social welfare transfer payment with no exceptions. The welfare Clause needs to be drastically limited.

Roads, bridges, Superconducting Supercolliders...dah

Skankshia Gumsnapper's EBT...nyet

No more welfare, civil service or military pensions, no medicare, medicaid, social security...nothing.

Military personnel should have regular, catastrophic, and long term care health insurance paid for while on active duty, and self managed 401K's with matching government contributions. These should be comparable to what service members now receive.

Civil service should get 401K's and subsidized health insurance comparable to similar jobs in the private sector.

Everything else needs to be abolished.
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I'm not a vet, but cutting military pensions pisses me off more than watching a transgendered pot smoker at a pro liberal rainbow parade.

I pay a lot of money in taxes. More than most people make per year. The only thing keeping me sane at tax time is knowing some of it is going to our vets.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:35:19 PM EDT
Not at the Federal level.

This should, at the most, be a state issue. I'd live in a state with the least economic intervention. Let the folks in NY and CA screw themselves all they want, I couldn't care less.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:38:43 PM EDT
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Hit it out of the park, you did.
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
No.


Hit it out of the park, you did.


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 7:39:49 PM EDT
only for people who have absolutely no way to care for themselves. Like no arms and legs or totally retarded,
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:



Originally Posted By Undefined:


Originally Posted By DPeacher:

No.




Hit it out of the park, you did.




Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.




Yeah, about that.



Those decades you spent deficit spending... Someone is going to have to pay for that.



 
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Originally Posted By FeebMaster:


Yeah, about that.

Those decades you spent deficit spending... Someone is going to have to pay for that.
 
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Originally Posted By FeebMaster:
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
No.


Hit it out of the park, you did.


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.


Yeah, about that.

Those decades you spent deficit spending... Someone is going to have to pay for that.
 


What are you talking about?
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:03:05 AM EDT
Let me check the Constitution.

Nope, no authority that I can find.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:07:06 AM EDT
There should be a safety net but it should be very limited in scope and time.

It should be downright uncomfortable to be poor.

What we have now is not a safety net, its a hammock.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:09:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
I think there should be some benefits for veterans.
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So do you think there should be some benefits for civil service employees such as police officers that are injured on the job also?

Just like soldiers they also chose a known risky career and swore to uphold the constitution.



Just making things intresting
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Originally Posted By Undefined:





I'm not a vet, but cutting military pensions pisses me off more than watching a transgendered pot smoker at a pro liberal rainbow parade.



I pay a lot of money in taxes. More than most people make per year. The only thing keeping me sane at tax time is knowing some of it is going to our vets.
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Originally Posted By pcal765:

There should be a Constitutional amendment forbidding the Federal Government from making any kind of social welfare transfer payment with no exceptions. The welfare Clause needs to be drastically limited.



Roads, bridges, Superconducting Supercolliders...dah



Skankshia Gumsnapper's EBT...nyet



No more welfare, civil service or military pensions, no medicare, medicaid, social security...nothing.



Military personnel should have regular, catastrophic, and long term care health insurance paid for while on active duty, and self managed 401K's with matching government contributions. These should be comparable to what service members now receive.



Civil service should get 401K's and subsidized health insurance comparable to similar jobs in the private sector.



Everything else needs to be abolished.


I'm not a vet, but cutting military pensions pisses me off more than watching a transgendered pot smoker at a pro liberal rainbow parade.



I pay a lot of money in taxes. More than most people make per year. The only thing keeping me sane at tax time is knowing some of it is going to our vets.
the part in red addresses your concern.  read the whole post.



 
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 7:32:09 AM EDT
I voted no but am kinda torn when it come to the truly disabled that have no family or anyone to fall back on.  It's hard but sometimes I guess Darwin needs to be allowed to do his work and thin the herd.  I am in the disabled group myself but do not and will not go on disability so I know of what I speak.
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
No.


Hit it out of the park, you did.


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.


Are you suggesting that women on welfare should be available for, uh, congress?
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Originally Posted By MotorMouth:


Are you suggesting that women on welfare should be available for, uh, congress?
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Originally Posted By MotorMouth:
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
No.


Hit it out of the park, you did.


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.


Are you suggesting that women on welfare should be available for, uh, congress?



My point is that even if they cut entitlements, they will not cut taxes. It won't effect us at all, only the FSA.

If they cut taxes in relation to getting rid of entitlements, lets do it.
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Originally Posted By DPeacher:
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Absolutely no. Safety nets beget dependence.
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Originally Posted By jerrwhy01:
For the absolute very few who truly cannot work, or for vets that are truly disabled in combat yes. Everyone else can suck it up like the rest of us.



Link Posted: 1/25/2014 8:25:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:


Federal or State?

From the Fed.gov, absolutely not.

States can do as they please.
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Originally Posted By gym007:
What do you think?


Federal or State?

From the Fed.gov, absolutely not.

States can do as they please.

This
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:



My point is that even if they cut entitlements, they will not cut taxes. It won't effect us at all, only the FSA.

If they cut taxes in relation to getting rid of entitlements, lets do it.
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Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Originally Posted By MotorMouth:
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DPeacher:
No.


Hit it out of the park, you did.


Then there should be a drastic reduction in taxes. As long as they're raping me, there had better be some kind of return should I need it.


Are you suggesting that women on welfare should be available for, uh, congress?



My point is that even if they cut entitlements, they will not cut taxes. It won't effect us at all, only the FSA.

If they cut taxes in relation to getting rid of entitlements, lets do it.


I agree with you, but I was making a joke.  On first reading seemed like you were saying "If they're going to fuck me, I should be able to fuck them."
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Originally Posted By tango1978:


So do you think there should be some benefits for civil service employees such as police officers that are injured on the job also?

Just like soldiers they also chose a known risky career and swore to uphold the constitution.



Just making things intresting
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
I think there should be some benefits for veterans.


So do you think there should be some benefits for civil service employees such as police officers that are injured on the job also?

Just like soldiers they also chose a known risky career and swore to uphold the constitution.



Just making things intresting

That's another state level issue as the vast majority of police are state level and down.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 9:15:01 AM EDT
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Yes to the safety net.
No to these INSANE programs the government are running now.
They need to cut it buy 75% across the board.
Hungry? Beans and rice and nothing more. Want meat get a job!
Need a place to stay move in with family. Want your own place get a job!
Real education and vocation programs for all that cant find work.
Drop the minimum wadge to $4!

I've had 6 openings open over a year and the people come in aren't hire able. No skills beyond breathing!

There is no incentive to becoming useful to society in today's system.

I'm getting pissed off the more I think abut it. The system needs a reboot.
I've lost all confidence in the government.
And hell no to a safety net for Vets. A safety net is for those that are falling through the systems cracks and emergency's.
Vets should be covered from the get go and its not charity or safety net its payment due for service.
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Why?  Can't veterans charities take care of them?
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Originally Posted By DarkNite:
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
I think there should be some benefits for veterans.


Why?  Can't veterans charities take care of them?


Possibly.  I am conflicted.  
As a Vet myself (not disabled or on any kind of benefits)  i have seen the deplorable conditions in some VA hospitals.  That is all Department of Veterans Affairs (V.A.) and its a mess. I think there should be a central administration to handle it but the .gov fucks up everything it touches.
Maybe it could be run better in private hands, or states', but those guys lost arms, legs, minds, etc in a Federal job so i think its only right that their previous employer pay for their care.

One thing i WOULD like to see is more psych councilling after they get out.  The rate of suicide is horrible by any standard.  There's no reason why we can't at least acclimate our soldiers back into the world.
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That's another state level issue as the vast majority of police are state level and down.
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Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By tango1978:
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
I think there should be some benefits for veterans.


So do you think there should be some benefits for civil service employees such as police officers that are injured on the job also?

Just like soldiers they also chose a known risky career and swore to uphold the constitution.



Just making things intresting

That's another state level issue as the vast majority of police are state level and down.


State government is funded by federal government, I work for a state entity that is totally funded by the federal government. My question still remains valid
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