Well, I got the belt, and the hand, a wire brush once, a wrench, various hair care products, rolled newspapers, rolled magazines, rolled sears catalogs (the big christmas ones), all that was fine, the emotional and psychological shit was over the top, and like my Sisters told me, I should have hit my dad back once I was 14, 'course I was raised to respect my elders, nomatter what they do
Kinda hard to respect any politicians, but respect the rest.
Oh and When I am at home (WI) with sweetie and her kids, I am the disciplinarian, I have my shooting belt, big thick leather that I use (only really scary, it is too wide and thick to do more than sting a bit [;)] but they do not do the stuff again) Her (soon to be our) kids are hellions because she never ever disciplined them, and her ex-husband never did either, they are leaning now though, but I never pull any of that psychological shit on them, that will just Mess them up for life.
How long before we are no longer allowed to even punish our kids?