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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:45:18 PM EDT
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FUCK OABAMA
FUCK ROBERTS We clear? |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:47:52 PM EDT
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The court is corrupt. The fed govt has the power to tax. Nowhere in the Constitution does it have the power to force the individual to buy a product or service or tax the individual for not doing something that is mandted. The collection of income tax required an amendment to the constitution, the collection of tax as a condition of not buying a private product from a private company does not? The Constitution is dead. That is not correct. Income taxes were collected 50 years prior to the ratification of the 16th Amendment. The 16th merely removed the requirement for income taxes to be apportioned to the states based on population. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:48:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Future votes by Roberts will tell if he has become a Souter or just had a temporary mental illness. Hate to say it, but Ann Coulter called it. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:49:32 PM EDT
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The fact that the POTUS has Handed put over 1200 waivers to individual companies exempting them from federal law and nobody does anything about it shows how corrupt the government is. An excellent point that the republicans should use to crush the law and repeal it. this is a hugely unpopular law already and as the facts come out about it it will become more unpopular. Robert's reasoned correctly, its not the court's job to save us from ourselves. Its the largest tax increase on the middle class since the 1960s. If the republicans can't do anything with these facts, than the american people get what they deserve. A nominally apolitcal judicial system is a critical component to our government. bunch of fucking liberals at times. "save us unelected judges! Hand down to us that which we need for democracy is tiresome and difficult." |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:51:08 PM EDT
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Future votes by Roberts will tell if he has become a Souter or just had a temporary mental illness. Hate to say it, but Ann Coulter called it. So, is she still stumping for Newt? She called that one. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:52:17 PM EDT
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Romney should ask for his resignation if he gets elected.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:53:16 PM EDT
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This has been incredibly interesting. I hope the House does move to overturn to get a last vote on taxes before the election. Even if the law is overturned, we can't overturn the expansion of the taxing authority. Give it time. All it's going to take is for the Republicans to introduce a bill taxing some inactivity that will make the left collectively shit their pants and the court will fix that right up. This thing isn't over by a long shot. I think so too. This is a sticky situation for sure. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:53:26 PM EDT
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The last time i posted my feelings about the chief traitor, errr justice, i got my peepee slapped
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:53:50 PM EDT
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I am out of town for four days and you all fucked it up. cant yall keep it together for four days without me? fuck
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:54:15 PM EDT
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Romney should ask for his resignation if he gets elected. If romney gets elected, it will be partly because of how Roberts handled this. You don't like the law? Vote for Romney. Send money to local republicans. Fight to reclaim your state. Christie has done great service for republicans in jersey. capitilze that into senatorial seats. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:55:01 PM EDT
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"Some informed observers outside the Court flatly reject the idea that Roberts buckled to liberal pressure, or was stared down by the President. They instead believe that Roberts realized the historical consequences of a ruling striking down the landmark health care law. There was no doctrinal background for the Court to fall back on - nothing in prior Supreme Court cases - to say the individual mandate crossed a constitutional line. "
How bout that the fucking law is just plain unconstitutional, or that the Constitution has been so bastardized by bad decisions refering to existing case law is folley in and of itself. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:57:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But Roberts pays attention to media coverage. As Chief Justice, he is keenly aware of his leadership role on the Court, and he also is sensitive to how the Court is perceived by the public. There were countless news articles in May warning of damage to the Court - and to Roberts' reputation - if the Court were to strike down the mandate. Leading politicians, including the President himself, had expressed confidence the mandate would be upheld.  if he buckled to media coverage he has absolutely no business being the chief justice on the supreme court, fucking weakling I read the entire article and agree with this assesment. Absolutely. He was influenced, one way or the other, by elements that have no business having any say in the matter. The man has displayed bad, no, terrible judgement and for that he should be removed from the court. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:59:21 PM EDT
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The court is corrupt. The fed govt has the power to tax. Nowhere in the Constitution does it have the power to force the individual to buy a product or service or tax the individual for not doing something that is mandted. The collection of income tax required an amendment to the constitution, the collection of tax as a condition of not buying a private product from a private company does not? The Constitution is dead. That is not correct. Income taxes for collected 50 years prior to the ratification of the 16th Amendment. The 16th merely removed the requirement for income taxes to be apportioned to the states based on population. Yes, you are right. My mistake for not being clear. The exemption for direct taxes to be appoitioned to the states based on population is only valid for income taxes due to the 16th. The direct tax on the individual from obamacare is not exeempt. 16th. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration .
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken .
This is obviously a direct tax on the individual by the federal govt and is not an income tax, and therefore must be returned to the states by population. It is also no uniform, since the executive office as given over 1200 indvidual company waivers to the federal law. Shw me where the POTUS can grant individual waivers to federal law. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:02:22 PM EDT
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How bout that the fucking law is just plain unconstitutional, or that the Constitution has been so bastardized by bad decisions refering to existing case law is folley in and of itself. "Precedent sucks" or "cause I say so" would probably get the ball rolling on the executive branch effectively running the court and turning it into a rubber stamp. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:13:33 PM EDT
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He betrayed the Constitution so that his pals at the country club would smile and say nice things to him. Insulated against the masses who will suffer from his terrible decision, he will enjoy his privileged life. Many can wail and grind their teeth, but the time has come that apart from many serving in our armed services, standing up for the beliefs that this country stood for and sacrificing for it, has become a rarity.
Roberts is just another common man, who was at the right places at the right time, to serve himself. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:15:23 PM EDT
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The court is corrupt. The fed govt has the power to tax. Nowhere in the Constitution does it have the power to force the individual to buy a product or service or tax the individual for not doing something that is mandted. The collection of income tax required an amendment to the constitution, the collection of tax as a condition of not buying a private product from a private company does not? The Constitution is dead. We had a patriotic celebration at church today. I was fighting back tears, knowing we had just witnessed the death of the Republic.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:15:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: How bout that the fucking law is just plain unconstitutional, or that the Constitution has been so bastardized by bad decisions refering to existing case law is folley in and of itself. "Precedent sucks" or "cause I say so" would probably get the ball rolling on the executive branch effectively running the court and turning it into a rubber stamp. Exactly. If I were on the Supreme Court, which I'm sure will never happen, I would adopt a totally originalist point of view and totally IGNORE all precedent and previous decisions when making MY decision, for the simple reason that none of those things in any way changes what the Constitution actually says or means. A decision built on a defective previous decision MUST be defective in itself, just as you can't build a good house on a bad foundation. CJ |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:16:04 PM EDT
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Which Justice was it that had their vacation bungalow robbed not too long ago? Between that convenient little robbery, and the break ins of the guys involved with Fast and Furious, I'm really starting to distrust my government. And that is a very bad thing for me. You're right. I had never put two and two together.  Of course, it was downplayed as a miscreant teen or some such, because if you're playing that game, you *never* tell the truth.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:17:41 PM EDT
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if he buckled to media coverage he has absolutely no business being the chief justice on the supreme court, fucking weakling Exactly. Impeach Justice Roberts. Based on what? The fact that you disagree with him? How's about the fact that anyone with 2 brain cells can see the the mandate - whether called a mandate or tax - is so far out of the realm of being Constitutional that he obviously violated his oath of office? |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:18:36 PM EDT
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He faked his other position until the situation was clear and then he played the card that he was put there to play. In my opinion that vote and the rsult of his decison was the paln all along. You don't have to coerce the willing. I can't help but think he was waiting for something his whole career. IMO, now that he has unmasked, he will be a reliable vote for the left side of the aisle. Scary to think of that from here on out, the court may very well be shifted to the left. Something to think about for any future 2A cases that make their way to the SCOTUS. Also downright frightening to think that Zero (if he gets a second term, will be able to really stack the court). The reason Heller was a 5/4 win is because they were scared of the backlash if they ruled the other way. 
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:19:16 PM EDT
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What an asshole... Roberts is even more contemptible to me than Sotomayor or Kagan, at least those two stick to their statist convictions. Notice how the leftist judges never break ranks or "evolve" their positions. Always just the "conservative" ones. They only "evolve" them if to get elected - or selected in the case of a judge - if they had to lie about a conservative belief to get to their position of power. See 0bama's "evolution" of his definition of marriage. 
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:21:41 PM EDT
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Talking about an administration that ran a conspiracy involving possibly hundreds of deaths to make a political point. No telling what they did.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:22:16 PM EDT
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I smell fish.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:23:20 PM EDT
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That makes this all the more interesting. I really want to know what happened to make Roberts change his opinion and violate the very beliefs he has espoused up to this point. Was he coerced in some way? I really think that we need to get to the bottom of this. CJ Kagan and Sotyomayor promised him a threesome if he'd change his vote. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:23:47 PM EDT
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If it is now a tax, what happens to all of the waivers that were granted?
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:24:32 PM EDT
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The court is corrupt. The fed govt has the power to tax. Nowhere in the Constitution does it have the power to force the individual to buy a product or service or tax the individual for not doing something that is mandted. The collection of income tax required an amendment to the constitution, the collection of tax as a condition of not buying a private product from a private company does not? The Constitution is dead. We had a patriotic celebration at church today. I was fighting back tears, knowing we had just witnessed the death of the Republic. We've been dead for a while, this is just another symptom of the cancer killing out country. Problem being, surgery and chemotherapy have been outlawed or voted against, and the only option left is to take a bunch of pain pills i.e. ignore anything political and eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:27:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: elections have consequences. bush passed mccain feingold believing it to be unconstitutional, hoping the SCOTUS would bail him out. The SCOTUS is becoming the whiping boy to take pressure off politicians to do the right thing. Not the SCOTUS's job. If you don't like Roe v. Wade, you shouldn't have a problem with what Robert's did. If the law can be passed democratically, it can be repealed democratically. The fact is congress easily has the power to pass a law that states the medicare is extended to all people living in america. It lacks the political capital or public will to do so. You want a supreme court to just rule, "all americans have the right to free universal health coverage paid for by the public treasury?" quit bitching about the court, start fighting politically. bunch of slack jawed faggots around here. I have to agree with this. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:28:01 PM EDT
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How bout that the fucking law is just plain unconstitutional, or that the Constitution has been so bastardized by bad decisions refering to existing case law is folley in and of itself. "Precedent sucks" or "cause I say so" would probably get the ball rolling on the executive branch effectively running the court and turning it into a rubber stamp. Exactly. If I were on the Supreme Court, which I'm sure will never happen, I would adopt a totally originalist point of view and totally IGNORE all precedent and previous decisions when making MY decision, for the simple reason that none of those things in any way changes what the Constitution actually says or means. A decision built on a defective previous decision MUST be defective in itself, just as you can't build a good house on a bad foundation. CJ [applause] |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:29:21 PM EDT
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Wonder what the payoff was? Had to be BIG to corrupt the Chief Justice. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/ Roberts f*cked us on this one. I've lost all respect for him.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:29:40 PM EDT
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He faked his other position until the situation was clear and then he played the card that he was put there to play. In my opinion that vote and the rsult of his decison was the paln all along. You don't have to coerce the willing. I can't help but think he was waiting for something his whole career. IMO, now that he has unmasked, he will be a reliable vote for the left side of the aisle. Scary to think of that from here on out, the court may very well be shifted to the left. Something to think about for any future 2A cases that make their way to the SCOTUS. Also downright frightening to think that Zero (if he gets a second term, will be able to really stack the court). The reason Heller was a 5/4 win is because they were scared of the backlash if they ruled the other way. I just have to wonder if "they're" scared of the backlash now? |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:36:11 PM EDT
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I have thought from the very first that he was threatened in some way. It wasn't my first thought but I'm leaning that way now. 
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:41:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sir, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. elections have consequences. bush passed mccain feingold believing it to be unconstitutional, hoping the SCOTUS would bail him out. The SCOTUS is becoming the whiping boy to take pressure off politicians to do the right thing. Not the SCOTUS's job. If you don't like Roe v. Wade, you shouldn't have a problem with what Robert's did. If the law can be passed democratically, it can be repealed democratically. The fact is congress easily has the power to pass a law that states the medicare is extended to all people living in america. It lacks the political capital or public will to do so. You want a supreme court to just rule, "all americans have the right to free universal health coverage paid for by the public treasury?" quit bitching about the court, start fighting politically. bunch of slack jawed faggots around here.  |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:47:15 PM EDT
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Why threaten Roberts though? Why not Kennedy, the more likely (before then) to go left? Shhhh.... There's no way to tinfoil that. 
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:50:43 PM EDT
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Wonder what the payoff was? Had to be BIG to corrupt the Chief Justice. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/ Obama had the CIA find the dead tranny hookers in Robert's closet. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:51:38 PM EDT
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Sotamayor and Kegan immediately informed Team Obama (Valerie Jarrett & her worker's party handler) that the socialist NHS had been defeated by SCOTUS. Remember, they were openly laughing at Obama's attorney during the oral arguments, as broadcast on radio for the whole Nation to hear. This was when Team Obama was switching back and forth on calling the Law a Tax, versus not a Tax. Do you think it's coincidence that Roberts made sure it was called a Tax in his written decision? Where do you suppose the pressure came from? And why was Elena Kagan allowed to even include herself on this vote, since she helped advise the WH on the fricken thing? It's like FDR all over again. Racist justices appointed to rubber-stamp an international worker's party pile of oppressive, anti-Ameican crap, and even that didn't work, so they strong-armed Roberts somehow. Isn't Roberts the one who swore Obama in, but the ceremony didn't follow protocol, so they assured us it was done in the WH out of view? If Kagan recused herself and Roberts voted to uphold, the Court would be tied. Do you know what happens when the Court is tied?
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:55:08 PM EDT
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Romney should ask for his resignation if he gets elected. He can ask all he wants. No SCOTUS Justice is required to even consider that request. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:57:07 PM EDT
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Makes you wonder what Alito, Thomas and Scalia think right now.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 2:58:48 PM EDT
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That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent.
That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:00:48 PM EDT
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That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent. That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ No. The court needs to be completely independant from other branches of government. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:01:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent. That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ They can be impeached by congress. It's one of the checks. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:01:59 PM EDT
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That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent. That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ I thought that congress could dismiss a member of the court if there was a consensus? Poor attitude or something? |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:03:09 PM EDT
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if he buckled to media coverage he has absolutely no business being the chief justice on the supreme court, fucking weakling Exactly. Impeach Justice Roberts. Based on what? The fact that you disagree with him? How's about the fact that anyone with 2 brain cells can see the the mandate - whether called a mandate or tax - is so far out of the realm of being Constitutional that he obviously violated his oath of office? Good luck with that. "A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Articles I and II of the Constitution. Article III, Section 1 states that judges of Article III courts shall hold their offices "during good behavior." "The phrase "good behavior" has been interpreted by the courts to equate to the same level of seriousness 'high crimes and misdemeanors" encompasses." Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_Supreme_Court_justice_be_impeached_and_removed_from_office#ixzz1zPmUqOkn It's been tried once before. The Senate acquitted Samuel Chase in 1805, because the the branches of Government are supposed to be separate, that means they won't always agree. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:04:24 PM EDT
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But Roberts pays attention to media coverage. As Chief Justice, he is keenly aware of his leadership role on the Court, and he also is sensitive to how the Court is perceived by the public.
There were countless news articles in May warning of damage to the Court - and to Roberts' reputation - if the Court were to strike down the mandate. Leading politicians, including the President himself, had expressed confidence the mandate would be upheld. It was a moment of truth for John Roberts, a longtime pillar of the Washington legal establishment, a member of the ultra-posh Chevy Chase Club, and someone who acquaintances say cares deeply about how he is portrayed in the press.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/27/john-roberts-faces-historic-moment-of-truth-as-supreme-court-confronts-obamacare.html WEll lets see, in the "press" I hear and read, he is being potrayed as a fucking moron. And I sincerely hope that fuckstick hears and reads every word of it. Fucking statist piece of un american shit.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:07:05 PM EDT
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That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent. That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ No. The court needs to be completely independant from other branches of government. This. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:07:52 PM EDT
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That's another thing: Once a Supreme Court justice is confirmed, he's in the job for life unless he dies or is declared mentally incompetent. That needs to change. They need to be restricted to set terms of office, possibly even with term limits, and be subject to recall by a 2/3 majority vote of Congress. This could require a Constitutional amendment. CJ I thought that congress could dismiss a member of the court if there was a consensus? Poor attitude or something? Read the Constitution of the United States. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:08:25 PM EDT
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elections have consequences. bush passed mccain feingold believing it to be unconstitutional, hoping the SCOTUS would bail him out. The SCOTUS is becoming the whiping boy to take pressure off politicians to do the right thing. Not the SCOTUS's job. If you don't like Roe v. Wade, you shouldn't have a problem with what Robert's did. If the law can be passed democratically, it can be repealed democratically. The fact is congress easily has the power to pass a law that states the medicare is extended to all people living in america. It lacks the political capital or public will to do so. You want a supreme court to just rule, "all americans have the right to free universal health coverage paid for by the public treasury?" quit bitching about the court, start fighting politically. bunch of slack jawed faggots around here. I have to agree with this. I'm with you guys. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:10:22 PM EDT
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My fear is that as time goes by, we are being out numbered by politcally ignorant people who really don't care what is going on. All they want is to be able to watch the Simpsons and American Idol and get stuff from the government. We are slowly being over taken by the takers. We're fucked, politically.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:10:24 PM EDT
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Romney should ask for his resignation if he gets elected. He can ask all he wants. No SCOTUS Justice is required to even consider that request. But according to the article the Chief Traitor doesnt seem to like being viewed in a bad light. The glare of a President asking for his resignation for dereliction of duty or some such thing would be an appropriate knock to the fucksticks big ego. FJR |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 3:10:28 PM EDT
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But Roberts pays attention to media coverage. As Chief Justice, he is keenly aware of his leadership role on the Court, and he also is sensitive to how the Court is perceived by the public.
There were countless news articles in May warning of damage to the Court - and to Roberts' reputation - if the Court were to strike down the mandate. Leading politicians, including the President himself, had expressed confidence the mandate would be upheld. So you preserve the integrity of the Court by selling out? google "Newspeak". |
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