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Posted: 12/3/2007 7:59:39 AM EDT
[#1]
I've always wanted to find one of those stings and, instead of shooting the deer, jump out of the car with a bat and give the deer a Casino-style beating with a bat.
I wonder what the DNR folks would say? |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:00:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:00:30 AM EDT
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Around here road hunters= poachers who don't own land.
Land owning poachers just shoot over bait piles on their own land. It seems the former get caught far more often. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:02:46 AM EDT
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I have yet to see a good reason for it to be illegal.
This law has alway mystified me. The agruments for it being illegal thus far have been: It's just dangerous that's all They didn't properly identify there target (had it been a real deer would it have been ok then?) anecdotal accounts of people trespassing and causing property damage Why is it dangerous? Why does standing on asphalt suddenly make it dangerous? Trespassing and property damage and firing toward houses and hunting with out a license should be what is illegal. I have never done it. I obey the law even when it's stupid. I do not understand this law. I would support repealing it where ever it exists. Give me a good reason for it and I'll change my mind. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:03:42 AM EDT
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Thank you for replying. You certainly sound like a respectable, responsible hunter. However, I have personally witnessed very many "regular" hunters completely disregard all those things you do to make your hunting "safe," and roads had nothing to do with it. That's why I don't buy the "road hunting is intrinsically unsafe" argument. Sure, there may be people who take shots from the road in an unsafe manner...but I'm sure there are ways to make it just as safe as taking shots from a deer stand. Dumbasses can make a game of lawn darts dangerous. Doesn't mean it is "intrinsically" unsafe to do so, however. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:04:32 AM EDT
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most of this is done at night. its not fair to REAL hunters who actually obey the laws, to me they are robbing from the deer population and from us hunters who actually enjoy the hunt. i have never heard of somebody road hunting for meat, these are the same jackasses who go around at night, spot a large buck and kill it cut the antlers off and leave the rest to rott. then they sell the antlers to some cocky prick just so he can put it up on the wall in his office and say "yeah i killed it". this also reminds me of one evening while on the way home from a long day of hunting. we passed a field to our right, there just happen to be a huge buck standing beside the road. me and my father turned around and passed it a few times. we stopped in the road to look at it because it was just moving its head back and forth and its tail would twitch. we drove on and found where the game warden was hiding and yelled "better luck next time!". a couple hundred yards behind us we see flashing lights. he pulled us over and gave us some an earfull, but no ticket and even wanted to give us a ticket for stoping in the middle of a road (it was a rural road) that guy should have known that a huge buck like that wouldnt be any where near a road like that. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:05:49 AM EDT
[#7]
You know, that would be quite interesting. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:05:56 AM EDT
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I can hunt out of my car in a field or off of a 4 wheeler if I like to, I'm entitled to it by law.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:08:40 AM EDT
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To the people who keep asking "what is the difference from standing on dirt or standing on asphalt"?
They aren't standing, they are seated in vehicles shooting at the deer and have no idea what is behind the deer. They haven't scouted the area. They haven't gotten permission from the land owner. Also, since so many of you refer to the road as "asphalt" you aren't familiar with the type of areas this happens in. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:08:47 AM EDT
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Depends on your definition of dangerous...
If you get caught (by the Game & Fish officer) doing it in Arkansas, you lose your truck and your gun. If you get caught by the land owner....your liable to lose more then that. Get buried in the hills, tell the sheriff a few weeks later, he understands. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:09:42 AM EDT
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Interesting discussion. Several weeks ago I took my family for a drive to see the autumn colors before all the leaves fell from the trees. As we went up a particular canyon we got stuck behind a truck driving about 5 mph. After a few minutes of us following him he pulled over to let us pass. I realized that it was deer season and mentioned it to my wife that he was probably looking for deer from the road.
A minute later we see another truck pulled over and a man with an orange hat using a spotting scope. Another minute later we see another vehicle slowly cruising along as the driver looked for deer. In summary, that canyon was absolutely full of hunters looking for deer from the road. I doubt any of them got one because, with all the hunters everywhere, there wouldn't be room for a deer in that canyon.  ... Just asked a co-worker who hunts. He said that people can look for deer from the road, but they can't legally shoot from the road here in Utah. They have to leave the road to shoot. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:10:29 AM EDT
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In Texas, the offenses are usually hunting after hours(spotlighting), discharging a weapon within 300 ft of a roadway and unless they have permission of the property owner, to shoot across property lines. (Aside from the typical license offenses.) |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:12:57 AM EDT
[#13]
Sometimes the length the DNR goes to amazes me sometimes
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:14:02 AM EDT
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It's been done and it's still poaching.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:16:32 AM EDT
[#15]
Could they do this with blow up dolls....you know..downtown.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:17:19 AM EDT
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Hunting is a priveledge(except for some states where the state constitution lists it as a right). The various state and their GFP depts. have set up various rule for hunting. Basically there has to be some rules to protect property rights and public safety. Many states require that you not shoot large game from a vehicle, or across or along road rights of ways. Some states allow small game hunting along rights of ways and even allow for unarmed retrieval off of private property. Basically, If your ok with shooting out of a vehicle for hunting purposes where do you want to draw the line. Is it Fine for me to drive along side a running deer and shoot it provided another person is driving, How about plinking away from off the interstate in a moving vehicle. Assuming, I don't have an accident or shoot a cow or someones house I'm odviously being safe.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:17:38 AM EDT
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Did the guy wear an expensive suit and do a Joe Pesci impression while he was swinging? "Dis muttafuka tried to steal from Jimmy No-Thumbs! Nobody takes deer corn from Jimmy No-Thumbs! You hear me, ya fuckin' Cervidae bastid? Nobody!" |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:18:56 AM EDT
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Game Wardens have been using that trick for a long time. Keeps the Fudds in check.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:19:02 AM EDT
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However, the video that started this discussion isn't about a person shooting from inside a vehicle.
What area? You mean in the direction they are shooting? Says who? Maybe they know it's a mile of woodland behind the target? I've seen many a "regular" hunter just walk up to his treestand and wait for a shot, no scouting involved there, either. In fact, I'll wager a bet that most hunters DO NOT walk around for an hour, scouting the area they will hunker down in, and we all know why.
Says who? What if some have? My parents have given a select few people permission to hunt on their farm, on which there are two roads at either end of the property (one is a dirt road, the other is paved). We have witnessed or heard PLENTY of people hunting illegally or in an unsafe manner on our farm....and it isn't always people shooting from the road, either. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:19:47 AM EDT
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So, let me get this straight. If I have a license and tags for the deer, I'm not allowed to shoot at a deer with asphault under my feet. However, if I first make sure that there is dirt and possibly leaves or other vegetation under my feet, then I'm good to go. Concrete = unethical, and vegetation = ethical.
Got it. That makes perfect logical sense. For a minute there, I didn't understand how the surface I was standing on affected my ability to know my target and what was behind it, but now I realize that rule #4 becomes perfectly clear as soon as I step off the road. I'm unable to safely shoot unless I'm standing on dirt. Understood. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Road hunters
1)99.9% of the time are trespassers who are hell bent on destroying private property 2)It is dangerous, imagine coming around the corner and someone is stopped in the middle of the road trying to shoot someting. You will either rear end them or you might cross their line of fire. Since they are trespassing, they have no knowledge of the lay of the land. You see a deer in the woodline but you probably won't notice the home tucked 50 yards inside the woods. I hate road hunting slobs with a passion.  Most people in Virginia loose their cars, rifles, CB equipment. Pretty much everything that was used as an accessory to the crime. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:26:43 AM EDT
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I'm going to take a leap here and assume you have not actually READ the law in question. Ohio's is probably very similar to Texas, discharging a firearm within "X" feet of a roadway is prohibited. Further, shooting across property lines (the edge of the roadway is where the landowners property line is) is also prohibited. It does not matter what you are standing on at the time. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:28:24 AM EDT
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The law stems from the concept of fair chase. Poachers (in general) do not embrace the concept of fair chase, rather that they look at it as a matter of opportunity and convenience. For example, it is more convenient to drive around in one's car and shoot game from it or to get out and shoot it by the roadside. It is also more convenient to tresspass on someone's land than to get permission. It is also more convenient to cut fences and leave gates open than not. Real hunters (or the perceieve ones) relish the fair chase. They do not care whether they come home with the venison, or not. It is the challange of finding where the game is, stalking, or setting up a blind in a stratigic spot, and trying to outwit the game's natural defenses (i.e., vision, hearing, and smellng abilities). Safety is only one aspect to the law. But, its primary purpose is to encourage fair chase. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:28:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Game Dept. has had those out here for years , hell we even have robo grouse.
The law here says that you cannot shoot from a vehicle or across a road or body of water. Disabled tag holders have slightly different rules. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:31:34 AM EDT
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You would have leaped to your demise, because I have read the law in question. It is illegal to hunt from the roadway here, and it makes no logical sense. It is illegal to hunt across property lines here, and it makes no logical sense (assuming you have permission to be in both places). |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:32:31 AM EDT
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And that right there is achilles heel in the argument against "road hunting." Show me a guy in a wheelchair who is hunting from the side of the road who has just completed a 30 minute scouting operation through the woods in the area he is likely to shoot towards. Can't happen. But it's still "legal." In other words: If your ass is in a wheelchair, you are good-to-go. If you are standing...voila! What you are doing is unsafe and illegal! |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:34:35 AM EDT
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The distance varies state by state, but it seems that many states have laws requiring you to be a certain distance from the road before discharging a firearm. Here in Utah it might only be a hundred feet, while in other states it could be 300 meters. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:34:40 AM EDT
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Not in Texas it isn't and I'll bet that if you actully read the law in question it's not legal in your state either. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:35:45 AM EDT
[#29]
Atleast your state is consistent in this regard. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:36:51 AM EDT
[#30]
There's a reason it's illegal. I remember rounds flying over our house when we lived out in the country. We're lucky these frickers didn't kill any of us. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:37:02 AM EDT
[#31]
+1
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:37:21 AM EDT
[#32]
I thought this was a joke..till I saw where you were from in most other States we have these things called "Trees"...the tend to help deer get out of the way from that SUV trying to run them over. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:39:39 AM EDT
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It happens here too. I remember in the late 80s there were half a dozen of them busted for herding deer over by Spokane. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:40:52 AM EDT
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Here in Ohio, it's 200 (or shit...maybe it's 300 - I have to look again) feet, it's a DNR reg that pertains to the taking of game. On my property, I can shoot with the road 5 feet behind me and I'm square with Ohio and Fulton county laws - as long as I'm not shooting an animal. See (in Ohio), it's perfectly safe and legal to shoot at paper targets or pop cans with the road right behind me. As soon as the target has fur and a pulse, it magically becomes unsafe and illegal. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:42:32 AM EDT
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Gun safety rules can be violated by anyone. My gun club had to fix someone's house because a round punctured his siding. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:43:17 AM EDT
[#36]
The video is simply one instance. If you think everyone busted using decoys is the same I have a bridge to sell you. Lots of assumptions on your part as to scouting the area or getting land owners permission. Why would they even be on the road if they had? This is geared towards idiots cruising the roads and taking as shot out of opportunity. As far as regular hunters, everyone I know checks out the area weeks before the actual hunt and often use the same area for decades. Tree stands also force the hunter to shoot at a downward angle and that keeps the round from traveling as far. No offense Wobblin, but this is just another one of your railing against authority for the sake of railing against authority. Completely within your rights to do so. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:43:21 AM EDT
[#37]
Yes. If those road hunters had only been outside of their vehicles standing on dirt, you NEVER would have had a round fly over your house. You see, the nerves in your feet are connected to the part of the brain that identifies safe backstops. These nerves are activated as soon as your feet leave asphalt. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:44:12 AM EDT
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Here ya go, the applicable laws in CN. Laws Section 26-62: Hunting related injuries/death to any person, animal other than a wild animal or damage to property of another Section 26-74: Use of motor vehicle in hunting Section 53-204: Hunting from a public highway Section 53-205: Loaded weapon in a motor vehicle Sec. 53a-217e: Negligent Hunting Regulations - Behavior and Actions of Hunters Section 26-66-1: (c) hunting before or after legal hours (d) hunting within 500' of occupied buildings (e) discharging toward people/animals or across public roadways Section 26-86a-6: |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:44:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Did somebody spill concrete near the bench? I'll bet that's what did it. Either that, or there was a car parked too close to the firing line. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:45:20 AM EDT
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So... what's so dangerous about "road hunting" that is abated by "taking a few steps off the road"? I hear people keep blathering on about "road hunters". But the arguments you're making aren't against "road hunting" at all... they're against unlicensed hunting / poaching, or unsafe hunting. And the post wasn't about people getting arrested for poaching, or not having tags, or firing in an unsafe direction... it's simply about having fired from a road. So... I'm still waiting for a coherent explanation of why it's "dangerous" to shoot from a road, assuming all other laws are being followed, when walking "a few steps off the road" is suddenly legal. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:47:23 AM EDT
[#41]
You are assuming a lot here again. Who says that is all they scouted or had someone scout for them? |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:49:21 AM EDT
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No, it still would be illegal to shoot at pop cans. The difference is not the game animal or pop can, it's the fact the shooter's STATUS has changed. It's not some yahoo on the road, You are the landowner on your own property. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:50:30 AM EDT
[#43]
Actually, there are many assumptions being made in this thread and most of them are on the part of the "road hunting is dangerous" side.
Absolutely, shooting at a downward angle is the safest way to go. However, as far as knowing the area in which you are firing into goes, I know every road and virtually all the topography between each road in these parts. Just because I take a shot from a road doesn't mean I magically forget where I am and what's behind my target (this is just a hypothetical, I have never hunted...legally or illegally).
I am not railing against authority here, bud. I am wondering why a few people here think that shooting from a roadside is intrinsically unsafe. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:50:34 AM EDT
[#44]
This from the guy who thinks lane-splitting is safe  
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:52:37 AM EDT
[#45]
Great post. Quoted for truth. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:52:52 AM EDT
[#46]
None had an interesting story about something like this.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:53:35 AM EDT
[#47]
Few? I would say the vast majority in this thread think is is unsafe. You would actually be part of the few that think it isn't. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:53:53 AM EDT
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We never had a problem with hunters on foot, only the road hunters. Probably because foot hunters are able to scout better and actually care about the "no hunting" signs on our property. I mean, heck, if road hunters are already breaking the law why not break another? |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:54:49 AM EDT
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One thing I find funny as hell in this thread is that the "Property rights are sacred" people are the same ones defending some random yahoo popping rounds into that very same property.
Usually at NIGHT.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:56:43 AM EDT
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Well, according to your previous post, you said that "scouting" involves merely knowing the area in which you are shooting (via walking it in the weeks beforehand). I think we all can agree that most hunters don't walk around for an hour making sure the area is safe right before they shoot. Most hunters I know merely take up a pre-planned spot in a bush, blind, or treestand and then assume no one is in the area in which they are planning to shoot. Isn't this why we have blaze orange? So if someone is out there, hunters can see them? |
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