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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:19:58 AM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it. ACR ? Bushmaster ACR i.e. the Magpul Masada. Oh, that. 
I bought an Aimpoint T-1 and mount from you for mine. 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:26:36 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:27:19 AM EDT
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I profess an utter lack of knowledge and only wonder if there are any firearms I need to buy before the quality at said held companies degenerates further.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:28:13 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. There's nothing stopping a Chinese buyer from stepping into the ring either. All they would have to do is spin off Remington Military as a separate entity. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:35:47 AM EDT
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Didn't the .mil just award the new M4 contract to Remington? I think the "from the office of Chuck Schumer" press announcement was posted here in the past week or so. Production to be done on the Bushmaster equipment, set up in what's now a warehouse portion of the Remington works in Ilion. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:39:39 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. It went *poof* years ago. The best years of production are behind those companies. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:41:15 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. It went *poof* years ago. The best years of production are behind those companies. Maybe - but Ruger just had their best year yet ... and yes, I know Ruger is not in Freedom Group. Just sayin' the market hasn't gone poof. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:43:42 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. It went *poof* years ago. The best years of production are behind those companies. Maybe from a quality standpoint, but not from a sales standpoint. They are selling more now then they ever have, and its been that way for the past few years. You can attribute it to the political climate or whatever have you, but the simple fact is; they are selling more now then in years past. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:44:41 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:46:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. There's nothing stopping a Chinese buyer from stepping into the ring either. All they would have to do is spin off Remington Military as a separate entity. I'm not certain that a Chinese buyer would have to spin off Remington. The feds will let the Chinese do anything they want. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:47:22 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. Maybe not, but people identify with certain guns, e.g. the Rem 700, Marlin 336. People want 'these' guns, not something made by somebody else. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:47:22 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. " Clout Needed " I hope you are right ... and I hope they all have the cumulative clout up On The Hill that Freedom Group now wields. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:50:27 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. Maybe not, but people identify with certain guns, e.g. the Rem 700, Marlin 336. People want 'these' guns, not something made by somebody else. People will buy a Mountain Arms 700FL (Fuck Liberals) if they want something like a Rem 700 that is new and not running at a collectors premium. The same for a Iron River Valley 336AS (After Shithead) if what they really wanted was a Marlin 336. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:54:59 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. I hope you are right ... and I hope they all have the cumulative clout up On The Hill that Freedom Group now wields. With a good chunk of the America's domestic arms makers gutted including a DOD contract maker gone the cumulative clout of the surviving gun makers and enraged populace of gun owners would twist some nuts on Capitol Hill. Such a move could easily be shown as undermining the national security and the response against the guy who pulled it would be interesting. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:58:26 AM EDT
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Maybe it will get "sold" like State Dept. officials "resigned" over Benghazi.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:58:51 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. While farfetched, that is exactly why I have groaned over the past several years, every time I saw another company swallowed up by Cerberus. I've made decisions to purchase product from non-cerberus companies just because of that. All your eggs in one basket, and all that. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:59:17 AM EDT
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Politically incorrect and/or toxic in the eyes of the media is a moot point. If a hedge fund can think they can make money by purchasing it, they will purchase it.
Do you think most fund managers really give a shit if it upsets soccer mom's and school teachers? Uh, no. If they can turn a profit (or think they can), they will get into the gun business. I can almost guarantee there are analysts, right this very second, working on models and proposals for purchasing this as I type this. Not a doubt in my mind. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:00:54 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. While farfetched, that is exactly why I have groaned over the past several years, every time I saw another company swallowed up by Cerberus. I've made decisions to purchase product from non-cerberus companies just because of that. All your eggs in one basket, and all that. There has been a lot of unease when it came to these deals. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:01:09 AM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. While farfetched, that is exactly why I have groaned over the past several years, every time I saw another company swallowed up by Cerberus. I've made decisions to purchase product from non-cerberus companies just because of that. All your eggs in one basket, and all that. Other places would would find the guys they needed.. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:03:54 AM EDT
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I worked at Para. Let's just say...they have a strange way of doing things...
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:13:42 PM EDT
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ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. And they don´t know how to run a Bank, too. Keep sending the Sons of their "higher up" People, who don´t know shit, to subsidiary Companies, and these try to do "something" Cerberus is a Company with MUCH Money and little knowledge ... and now they want to back out of the gun business, because of bans possible. Who would buy at that outlooks??? They can only "give away" the Gun Companies with [red] money presents [/red ]... only VERY dumb people would buy else ... Hermann |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:23:45 PM EDT
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Time for the goment to get back into the small arms production, bring back the real arsenals of old.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:26:22 PM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. get out of here with your sigma crap! 
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QC is like driving in the rear view mirror. It is much easier and cheaper to design quality into the product and process than catch defectives ex post facto. You cannot manufacture quality into the product, it has to be designed into the product. All manufacturing has to do is follow the damn print and keep to the standard that engineering and prototyping set forth. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:35:23 PM EDT
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Time for the goment to get back into the small arms production, bring back the real arsenals of old. So you want Obama to nationalize a gun company? 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:39:39 PM EDT
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Which properties would most likely be sold? CZ buys Remington? Now, THAT would be INTERESTING!
CRF on all Rem´s ... mmmh! me want! 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:52:29 PM EDT
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Which properties would most likely be sold? CZ buys Remington? Now, THAT would be INTERESTING!
CRF on all Rem´s ... mmmh! me want!
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:42:13 PM EDT
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I don't know why people are surprised liberals vote with their money too. Especially since they would love to vote with your money as well if they could get a hold of it. I really can't say I'm all that sorry about it considering that their quality can only improve and there were plenty of posts on here over the years saying this would happen eventually if Cerberus kept buying up gun companies.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:43:32 PM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it. ACR ? Bushmaster ACR i.e. the Magpul Masada. Oh, that. OK Mr. Larue made me LOL on his last comment....so true |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:48:40 PM EDT
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I now own Freedom Group. I traded Cerberus straight across for a case of Pmags.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:50:11 PM EDT
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Between the varied professions on this board, we could run a company like that.
It would be worth it just for the tranquil & harmonious board meetings. 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:53:52 PM EDT
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I now own Freedom Group. I traded Cerberus straight across for a case of Pmags.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:56:28 PM EDT
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Time for the goment to get back into the small arms production, bring back the real arsenals of old. The government couldn't run a successful whorehouse in downtown Vegas. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:04:42 PM EDT
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A Chinese firm will buy it, this would allow the US Government import it's weaponry from China after it puts the remaining US arms manufacturers out of business.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:13:04 PM EDT
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Holy crap they couldn't sell the company in 7 days. OMG auction them now.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:14:21 PM EDT
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in on group buy
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:20:39 PM EDT
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I wounder if there will be any regulations on who buys the firearm, ammo giant.
They bought an peiced the group together an are now one of of the largest in the firearms industry. Will it be a tough sell? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:26:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: You traded 87 trillion dollars worth of merchandise for a few shitty gun companies? I now own Freedom Group. I traded Cerberus straight across for a case of Pmags. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:29:19 PM EDT
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You traded 87 trillion dollars worth of merchandise for a few shitty gun companies? I now own Freedom Group. I traded Cerberus straight across for a case of Pmags.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:48:35 PM EDT
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N/M
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:52:26 PM EDT
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Thread is dildos. Where is the group buy thread?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:59:29 PM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. get out of here with your sigma crap!
got I hate the whole ISO junk.. One does not need ISO or Six-Sigma to implement QA, .
QC is like driving in the rear view mirror. It is much easier and cheaper to design quality into the product and process than catch defectives ex post facto. one of my professors said, "It costs at least twice as much to fix a mistake as it would have taken to spend the extra time to ensure the task was being done right". I still apply that statement 27 years later. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:02:36 PM EDT
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Let's suppose a beyond-rich vehement anti-gunner comes along and flicks a billion of his bucks at Cerberus for Freedom (much like he would a bugger), then flushes it all down the drain for kicks. America's gun making tribal knowledge goes * p-o-o-f *. Bull fucking shit. There is nothing that is being made by Freedom Group that can not be produced by any other gun company. From the ashes of any such a wild move there would be people aka tribal knowledge looking for a way to make money. The equipment would go in a fire sale, unless the Socialist Ass Clown had it all scrapped. In a matter of two years most of people of the people would be working either for themselves or for another company. It would be just like all the Soviet nuclear and bio warfare scientists; they would just find somebody else to pay the bills. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:28:57 PM EDT
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I worked at Para. Let's just say...they have a strange way of doing things... We're going right along then, BAM ! Wha ? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:36:33 PM EDT
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They are probably trying to find what the market value of the portfolio is in preparation of chapter 11 filing or something.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 6:40:15 PM EDT
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I hope whoever gets Marlin can figure out how to reproduce 50+ year old designs w/o FUBaring it.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 7:15:12 PM EDT
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I hope whoever gets Marlin can figure out how to reproduce 50+ year old designs w/o FUBaring it. I flew around through some of the Marlin threads ... those damn things don't look easy to make ... and it looks as if the original team is long scattered. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 7:39:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like Cerberus can't find a buyer, so they're selling at auction. This is gonna be interesting... http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/cerberus-appoints-lazard-for-freedom-group-sale/ They haven't had it on the market long enough to not find a buyer. Unless you've heard something in the industry, everything I've heard says nobody wants to touch this with a hazmat suit on... Nothing has to happen in two weeks ... matter of fact, nothing has to happen at all ... they look, and look, and don't find an immediate buyer, go back and tell the shareholders they need to sit on things until things cool down, etc., etc. which is the smart thing to do. This way they have covered their butt no matter what happens. If it tanks, they can say "Well, we tried to sell" , if it doesnt...they still have it
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:58:57 AM EDT
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I hope whoever gets Marlin can figure out how to reproduce 50+ year old designs w/o FUBaring it. I flew around through some of the Marlin threads ... those damn things don't look easy to make ... and it looks as if the original team is long scattered. How how much of the machining would require specialized broaching, as opposed to a standard CNC center? Could some of the operations be efficiently subcontracted to compensate for the loss of expertise or deterioration of original tooling? |
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