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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:01:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:18:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:19:58 PM EDT
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 Now they can look down over the war
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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:32:39 PM EDT
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Lets not forget that when iraq was fighting iran we gave iraq a lotta stuff that they are probably using against our kids right now.Our hands are not clean in this mess , when we say they had WMD we probably know this for a fact because we gave them to iraq during the Iraq and Iran war.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:35:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 6:55:51 PM EDT
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"a lotta stuff"?  Please, be specific. What did we give Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war that they are currently using against U.S. forces? Or is this just some tired tidbit from DU that you're regurgitating here?
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:08:16 PM EDT
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Uh lets see maybe stinger missles and such trivial stuff as that. Just do a search on the iran iraq war. I know that was a long time ago to most of you just like Sept.11th was.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:10:32 PM EDT
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Iraq never got Stingers from us, brainiac.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:12:22 PM EDT
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We gave them some M113 APC's and some arty...no missiles of any sort. SHow me sources before you try and soak us in liberal media bullshit
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:15:56 PM EDT
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They allways had MANPADS... But most of it was 1st-gen (SA-7 'Grail') Evidence would indicate they now have 14s and 16s... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:19:05 PM EDT
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Certain PARTS of the '64 are able to survive 12.7mm (50cal) fire and possibly a 23mm hit... Most of the aircraft, however, is COMPOSITE or thin sheet aluminum... It is by NO MEANS an A-10/'flying tank' design... <---- Army helicopter mechanic (airframe).... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:20:25 PM EDT
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Yup straight from their buddies in Iran who are purchasing them Russians. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:20:46 PM EDT
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If we are giving them american blood now , i am very sure we gave them wmd and anything else they needed. And i am not a liberal , i am an american father with a son over there in that shit hole , just like i was in a shit hole in 1970.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:22:00 PM EDT
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Any hit is bad but i am at least thankful they hopefully went fast. I still feel sick at that poor civvie contractor pilot who they videotaped after his helo went down. Fucking animals
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:23:30 PM EDT
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You want to provide any kind of proof for that bullshit remark? I doubt you can. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:23:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:24:44 PM EDT
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Yep... We gave them some ground equipment, and IIRC we may have given them some FIXED-INSTALLATION SAM SYSTEMS (not MANPADS, but fixed-site heavy SAMs - think 'what PATRIOT replaced)... All of it was destroyed in 1991... However, Saddam bought a shitload of weapons on the black market between 1991 and 2003 - Iraq was a virtual ammo dump... They have ALLWAYS had SA-7 pattern weapons from the beginning (they used them against us in ODS)... The SA-7, however, is easily jammed/decoyed... The SA-14, SA-18 and SA-16 are not so easily 'confused'... That is probably what we are facing at this point... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:26:09 PM EDT
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You are SURE? In other words, you can't prove any of your bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:31:18 PM EDT
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That's one fuck of a conclusion you've come to there. You trully are a most brilliant person. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:33:48 PM EDT
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From my understanding, during the Gulf War we helped Iraq get Russian and French stuff, but didn't actually sell any American equipment to them. *shrug* Regardless, it's been 20+ years... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:35:54 PM EDT
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Well the twin towers was destroyed by aliens and i cant prove that either.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:36:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:36:52 PM EDT
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It's soviet, french or Syran missile technology. I'd place a high wager on it.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:45:52 PM EDT
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Larryg can you prove that iraq never got stingers from us ?
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Posted: 2/9/2007 7:56:27 PM EDT
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90% of the stuff we sold Iran is in ruins...no spare parts folks.
Although I have seen that they are trying to build their own version of the Cobra Gunship, but they don't have the ability to make too many of them. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:02:49 PM EDT
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They cant build a helicopter , and we are gonna attack their ass for building nukes. Sounds like a real fun AR15.com game to me. Lock and load 10 rocks and a big stick.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:04:42 PM EDT
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The only US built SAM's Iran has in their inventory, are a handful of 1970's phase II Hawk Missiles ( Many of which, were sold to them Ironically, by the Israeli's back during the Reagan era.) The Iranian hawk's are mounted on big 8 wheeled trucks. The Iranian's also messed around with trying to convert some of the Hawk's to AAM's
I'll guarantee you. What hit that CH-47, was not a Hawk. Most likely as many others have stated, either an SA-7 or an SA-14. They waited until they had a rear aspect shot, which suggests either they're real well disciplined, or were using the older SA-7. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:06:15 PM EDT
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YOU are the one making the assertions. Now you prove it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:06:59 PM EDT
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Now you are babbling. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:07:43 PM EDT
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The claim that they got Stingers from us is yours. It doesn't fall on someone elses shoulders to prove you wrong. Prove you're right. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:14:26 PM EDT
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You said it, you prove it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:17:30 PM EDT
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Former 46 mech here. That looked like a SA7 missile. I didn't see any flares from the anti-missile systems, so I'm guessing this is a new type of threat to them. I do believe if the crew had seen the launch and the pilots had taken evasive action and used countermeasures this would have been different. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:19:48 PM EDT
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Sadly. At that range..I doubt the crew would have had time to do much of anything.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:20:26 PM EDT
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Soviet, period... The French don't have an indigenous MANPADS - they use British or US designs.... The Syrians (and every other ME country) DO NOT HAVE THE TECH TO MAKE THEIR OWN SAMS... The only nation besides the US, Britain and Russia that makes it's own MANPADS is China, IIRC... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:21:37 PM EDT
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Does the 47 have the 'Disco Ball' (like the Blackhawk)? If so, that should work against the SA-7, if it was on... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:23:48 PM EDT
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While I don't like to admit it, I believe we certainly had some involvement in the buildup of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. This was certainly the type of behavior that the CIA was known for at the time. No direct proof of Stinger missile shipments, but unfortunately I would not have put it past the CIA to do so during the 80's......we did provide them with bombs and many other weapons, and left over ordnance is what is being used to make the IED's that are giving us so much trouble today, maybe not our bombs, but we certainly did provide them some weaponry.........
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:31:01 PM EDT
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Does tha Sea Knight have any EW gear? I didnt see any flares though they did bank prior to being hit indicating that they might have known something was coming at them.
RIP to the crew and passengers and hopefully the fuckers with the sam will meet something with big guns very soon. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:31:59 PM EDT
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Oh we provided both sides with the occasional weapons shipment, but we never sold them Stinger's. Unlike Afghanistan, there was never any practical battlefield need for a MANPAD, on either side of the Iran/Iraq war.
For the most part, we were quite happy to sit back and watch Iran and Iraq stage a replay of Verdun, with just about that level of technology and strategic planning. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:42:21 PM EDT
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Why the hell would we have given the Iraqis Stingers? The Army pitched a fit about the Stingers diverted from filling NATO requirements to go to the muj starting in, like, '86. There's no way in hell the Iraqis would have gotten any before the muj. By that time the Iranian AF was in hiding, out of spares, munitions and competent pilots.
The idea of us giving the Iraqis Stingers is absurd. A highly sensitive and scarce proprietary weapons system that we absolutely needed in Europe to defend tank formations from Russky strike aircraft and Hinds given to a barely friendly regime that didn't have to address the threat Stingers were designed for? C'mon. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:52:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2007 8:54:21 PM EDT
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Time to take the gloves off!
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Posted: 2/9/2007 9:02:05 PM EDT
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even supposing we gave any manpads to Iraq (which I think is false), they have a limited shelf life--batteries die, fuel degrades, etc. None of which they would have had spares for. Why do you suppose we weren't facing our own Stingers in Afghanistan? They've all gone stale.
I think it is clear that these are new, and are coming either directly or indirectly from Iran. Either way, it will end poorly for them. 
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Posted: 2/9/2007 9:05:53 PM EDT
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absofuckinglutely. . .WTF are we paying all this money for? I don't care about paying taxes to protect our guys if that means more and more gunships. This shit is getting stupid. Enough already someone fires a missile or a gun at our helicopters, the world of US firepower should be dropped on the place the fire came from . . . |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 9:17:13 PM EDT
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Uh...right...? well.. Anyway... I'd put good money down those came from Russia who sold them to Iran(or Syria maybe?) and then got smuggled into Iraq. I just wonder if it was an Iraqi or an Iranian that pulled the trigger... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 9:22:29 PM EDT
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Gee, no bias on that website. Even when that site offers no direct proof of Stingers, you "would not put it past the CIA". Gee, real stinging proof there, pun intended. Did you look at "About us". www.iranchamber.com/about_us/about_us.php And Tom Brokaw awarded them "Site of the week" www.iranchamber.com/credits/credits.php Yeah buddy, no agenda there. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 9:36:00 PM EDT
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Don't think it'd deter much. A missile team for a full Chinook or Sea Knight is a pretty good trade for the bad guys. If the gunships cut loose and kill some random hajis along with the shooters, even better. |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 10:10:48 PM EDT
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And .mil told us it wasn't shot down
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Posted: 2/9/2007 10:20:25 PM EDT
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Methinks several posters here aren't clever enough to realize that every shoulder-launched SAM in the world is not a 'Stinger'.
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Posted: 2/9/2007 10:24:02 PM EDT
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Even when the thread gives them several other missiles to look into... SA-7 SA-14 SA-18 SA-16 (Yes, the SA-16 is newer than the SA-18... We got our russkie missiles mixed up back in the 90s)... |
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Posted: 2/9/2007 10:32:38 PM EDT
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Did someone call you a child molestor or some shit? Why are you so defensive about this? Were YOU involved in giving Iraq weapons? 
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