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Posted: 2/10/2006 1:30:08 PM EDT
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Is this true? Can someone confirm? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 1:55:13 PM EDT
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man that 1919 is sick !! badd ass toy.
as for the dude that hardley shoots his. he is missing out. ill buy it for 500.00 |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 1:57:51 PM EDT
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I remember your gun. You and I exchanged emails a while back when I was trying to decide which tripod I was going to use. Thanks for the help. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 2:11:14 PM EDT
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You're welcome. Now take that sucker out and heat the barrel up.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 5:41:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:26:58 PM EDT
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I really like mine. Empting a 200 rd can of linked ammo is priceless.
If your going to stay with 308 you might want to consider a 308 shorty barrel. It make a lot more precussion and flash when shooting. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:30:18 PM EDT
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Where can I find one of those
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:39:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:41:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 8:56:15 PM EDT
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I see mine in both of your pictures!! I finally got the headspace dialed in and I've been burning that Indian shit through mine like no tomorrow. LOTS of fun on the tin can range!!! 1919's kick ass, I wish I could afford several more. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:02:27 PM EDT
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I wonder if "Circuits" ever finished his quad mount... I know I could not afford to feed 4 1919's in go fast mode...
Edit: Now you need a tactical golf cart ( as in Dr. Strangelove ). |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:50:31 AM EDT
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Call Mark Jacobs at Black Bear Manufacturing (330) 503-9863 Mark is a one man show and only builds about 15 1919A4 guns a year. My gun is in the 7X serial range. The wait was about 3.5 months. The gun price is $2000 and $350 for the spades. The only options are caliber (8mm, 30.06 or .308). You can always convert the caliber later (about $200) by changing the barrel, booster and cartridge stops. The quality level that Mark achieves it is simply amazing. My gun was test fired 125 rounds before shipping. While Mark was building my gun, I spoke to him numerous times. He's a great guy, always answers his phone, and will answer all of your questions. Mark Genovese, who writes for Small Arms Review, has reported many times on www.1919a4.com that he has over 40,000 rounds through his Black Bear without a single malfunction or failure. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:43:57 AM EDT
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Oh man thats just not right.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:36:31 AM EDT
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Dudes i need one of those also. i have the tripod already. will need the part that
mounts the gun to the tripod. these are semi auto right? they seem to be really reliable. anyone have more pics??? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:37:25 AM EDT
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does the spade grip help in rapid fire??
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:25:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:37:37 AM EDT
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+1 it's just about the most fun you can have with a semi-auto and not have hookers and blow involved 
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:39:53 AM EDT
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Not sure....I haven't fired it yet. Gonna try to make it to the range tomorrow. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:40:59 AM EDT
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[napoleon dynamite]lucky[/napoleon dynamite]
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:30:51 AM EDT
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Ok, I am in love. How much was the tripod? Bigfeet |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:04:18 AM EDT
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errrr......hunting wabbits!  .....seriously though....Jealousy is the finest form of flattery......and now I suddenly feel in adequate with only AR's and pistols....... .....very nice weapon!
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:12:12 AM EDT
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Damn, I need to get one!!!
How much to get a setup like that with the tripod? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:02:37 PM EDT
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My tripod is a GI Issue WWII era 1942 dated tripod. It was $850 from Cole Distributing. Cole Dist. has numerous M2 tripods varying in condition and origin. He will also refinish one for you if you like for about $50 (mine was refinshied). I think his typical Israei M2 tripod with caked on tan paint, in good condition, including T&E and pintle will sell for about $600. Check out his webpage, he has some listed. Make sure and call him as well (ask for Gary Cole), because he has a bunch of tripods that are not on his webpage. I also bought from Cole, a couple of "98%" Israeli IMI .308 1919A4 chrome lined barrels for $45 each. When they arrived, one of the barrels was still new in the wrapper. Cole is a great company to deal with. Cole Distributing |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:05:39 PM EDT
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I got two. The A6 and A4 model. These things rock. Always the center of attention at the range.
 For more info go to www.1919a4.com John Mc Guire also makes a jam up high quality one for about $1000.00 Even in semi, I can easily keep a 700 rnds per minute pace, although I usually just do 50-100 rnd bursts. 8mm is the way to go because 308 s about $150.00 per 10000 and 8m.m. is about $50.00 per 1000 rnds. just clean it when you get home Base-Rigger |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:08:04 PM EDT
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Gun: $2000 Spade Grips: $350 WWII Dated M2 Tripod: $850 Total: $3200 Then you'll need a linker: About $200 1000 new links: $70 Read this post I made a while ago, it will get you started in the right direction: --Browning 1919 semi-auto From $1200 to $2400. The cheaper guns usually have issues and shoddy quality. If you don't mind sending a gun back for repair a few times and replacing parts every 500-1000 rounds, then the $1200 gun is for you. The high quality guns (about $2000) from TNW, Black-Bear and Ohio Ordinance have the best reputation, with Black Bear being the most highly regarded. Some owners are reporting 40,000 round through their Black Bear without any issues or parts breakage at all. Black Bear guns also reportedly have perfect welds and rivets exactly like GI guns. Most all the guns are made from Israeli .308 1919A4 parts kits. --Caliber Guns are available in 30.06, .308 and 8mm. Caliber can be easily changed on the high-quality guns by changing the barrel, recoil booster, cartridge stops and rear feed guide in the feed mechanism. Some of the cheaper guns weld the rear feed guide in place, which forces you to start cutting metal to change calibers. 8mm Many shooters love the 8mm variant because the ammo is really cheap (about $100 or less per 1000), but all the surplus ammo is corrosive and this makes the gun a bitch to clean. Alot of the 8mm surplus ammo on the market is garbage from the 40's and 50's, and may blowup your gun. Select ammo carefully. Most of the 8mm barrels available are aftermarket, so it's a crap-shoot on barrel quality. If you like to shoot 1000's of rounds a year, the 8mm is probably the best choice. Barrels run about $150. .308 .308 seems to be the best choice for the occasional shooter and is the caliber I selected. With .308 you have original Israeli IMI 98% condition chrome-lined barrels that can be purchased for about $60 each. Ammo is mostly non-corrosive and can be bought for about $150 per thousand. 30.06 Hardly anyone goes with 30.06 due to the price of ammo. Important note about ammo: Low quality ammo can do serious damage to your gun. Whenever purchasing surplus ammunition, always verify the quality before purchasing. Posting a question on a gun message-board about the ammo in question is usually sufficient enough to get some insight from other users into the quality of the ammo. --Belts/Links, Linkers and Loaders The Israelis designed their 1919 to run on disintegrating belts. These Israeli 1919 links can be purchased for $70 per 1000 and are available in new/unused condition (M60 links won't work in the 1919). The Israeli 1919 links work with all three calibers. If you go with links, you'll need a "Linker". A Linker is a device that you put 10-20 links and 10-20 rounds into a tray, and pull a lever to push the rounds into the links. These go for about $100-265. The $265 units are made from real US GI Issue .50 cal linkers that have been modified to work with .308/8mm/30.06. These will last a lifetime. The other units are aftermarket and quality varies. However, most people report that the $185 aftermarket unit from Ohio Ordinance works really well. Some units you have to change the tray plate in the linker to change calibers (extra cost). Other units will load all three calibers. If you're using links, it's probably a good idea to purchase a "trunnion protector" to protect the trunnion feed-way from wear/scaring. The trunnion protector keeps the links from directly rubbing on the feed-way. They snap-on and cost about $14 from Guiette Mfg. www.guiettemfg.com/catalog.html You can also use cloth belts. Cloth belts run about $15-30 each (most are 100 or 250 round). No change of parts is required to go from links to cloth belts. Cloth belts tend to be a little more finicky, as rounds tend to shift around and fall out of the cloth belt. Cloth belts can be hand-loaded, but owners report this as being very tedious and painful to the fingers. You really need a "GI Issue 1918 belt loader" if you want to use cloth belts, and these go for around $1000-$1200 and only work with 30.06 & 8mm (after-market conversions to .308 are available). The only real advantage to the cloth belt is you don't have to pick up links when you're done. Most people agree that links are the way to go due to the high cost of a 1918 belt loader. --Tripods There are numerous options here. The M2 tripod is original to the 1919 (WWII era). Original US GI Issue units go for between $550 and $850 (depending on markings and condition). This includes the T&E and pintle. There are aftermarket copies of the M2 that go for around $400-$550. The original GI Issue M2 has nice looking reference numbers on the adjustments for the transverse mechanism, most aftermarket M2 tripod are unmarked. If you want a full size tripod, there are numerous aftermarket adapters to mate a 1919 to a MG3 tripod, Bren tripod or a MAG58 tripod. You're talking 40-70 lbs for these bad boys, unless you're lucky enough to find a titanium MAG58 tripod. The MG3 surplus tripods can be found in near new condition with awesome optics and remote firing for about $650. If you really want to go vintage, you can go with a WWI era 1917 tripod at around $1000-$1500. I think these weigh about 90 lbs or so. You can order your 1919 in the A6 configuration (shoulder stock, carrying handle and bi-pod) and avoid a tripod altogether. There you have it. That's some of the important highlights of what that I've learned from reading 1000's of posts about owning 1919's. I hope this post helps you in your pursuit of this wonderful hobby. In case you're interested on the final choices that I made, I went with the Black Bear 1919A4 .308 with Ohio Ordinance Spade grips, a refinished WWII era 1942 marked M2 GI Issue tripod (www.coledistributing.com/ ), the Guiette Linker ( www.guiettemfg.com/catalog.html ), and 2000 links from Ohio Ordinance ( www.ohioordnanceworks.com/index.htm ) |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:51:36 PM EDT
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wow
that is great information. makes me want one right now !! ive seen titanium mag tripods at knob creek in 2003. i think like 500, the one i saw was mint. shouda picked that up huh? when can we get a range report?? thanks |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:40:51 PM EDT
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You can also use an MG42 tripod. These were going for around $350 to $450 last I heard, plus a bit for an adapter (or you could make your own). People were warning that the supply was running out, though, so they may have shot up since then.
www.1919a4.com/ is (obviously) one of the best places to go for info. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:57:01 PM EDT
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Good thing Wolf just came out with .308 lol
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:53:55 PM EDT
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Now if you want you can get the M1917A1 tripod.
You can get them from OOW. They are $1,150- $1,250.00   
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:59:21 PM EDT
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The real question remains, will it bumpfire?
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:01:14 PM EDT
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YEA- WILL IT BUMP????
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:32:18 PM EDT
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I've seen one ARFCOMMER with his 1919 on a tall tripod do somethin like a bump fire. He held the left spade grip with his left hand, and with his right hand used his palm to hit the fire button on the spade grips. Once you get the rhythm down, you can get it to fire pretty quick. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 9:43:11 PM EDT
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Man, Tactical strats blackbear is a piece of art!What a good lookin gun.I'm goiing to have to look into one of those.
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Posted: 2/12/2006 12:50:15 PM EDT
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Took her to the range today and fired about 600 rounds. I can see that my ammo and barrel bill is gonna far outweigh my grocery bill. Video 4MB 
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Posted: 2/12/2006 1:39:06 PM EDT
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looks like fun!!!!
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Posted: 2/12/2006 1:40:45 PM EDT
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That thing is just BEGGING for you to put a crank on it!
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Posted: 2/12/2006 1:41:57 PM EDT
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Love that laugh at the end. Great clip!
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Posted: 2/12/2006 1:43:44 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 2/12/2006 1:48:51 PM EDT
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Very nice. I want one now.
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Posted: 2/12/2006 3:30:40 PM EDT
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wheres that range??
i need one now also..... BLACK BEARS FOR EVERYBODY!!!!! 
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Posted: 2/12/2006 4:30:53 PM EDT
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If I was moving in your direction that thing would worry the hell out of me. |
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Posted: 2/13/2006 4:51:45 AM EDT
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Yep. it was a .308 Israeil kit. |
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Posted: 2/13/2006 8:14:51 AM EDT
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The range is outside of Austin |
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Posted: 2/13/2006 1:51:50 PM EDT
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whats the range called ? what kind of targets do you guys use ?
is it private ? thanks |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 4:06:26 AM EDT
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Since the range doesn't allow rapid fire, I probably shouldn't incriminate myself. When I was blasting away, I was just shooting at the 100 yard dirt bank. You can clearly see where the bullets are hitting, so no need for special targets. When shooting slow, I was shooting at paper targets. Interestingly enough, I was able to get about an 8 inch group at 100 yards on paper firing about 50 rounds using slow aimed fire. The sight radius is so short (length of the receiver), it makes it hard to get pin-point accuracy. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:51:24 AM EDT
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Here's what Mark Genovese of Small Arms Review Magazine had to say about the Black Bear 1919:
Link to Mark's post on 1919a4.com mark genovese 1919amen posted 08-08-2005 10:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been fortunate in owning six Browning commercial semiautomatic belt feds by four different manufactures, and have been in a unique position to run extreme volumes (up to forty thousand rounds per weapon) of hot corrosive surplus ammunition at high rates of fire through each. Of the four manufactures only one has passed this severe torture test, Black Bear MFG. of North Jackson, Ohio 330-503-9863 with absolutely no broken parts or malfunctions. This conversion most closely replicates the original Browning fully automatic design as well and will appeal to the die hard Browning purest. Unique almost undetectable semi right side plate and original trigger with no visible disconnecting spring. All welds are internal and the rivets are of the correct sixty degree angle. The engraving to the right side plate is of the highest standard and the parkerizing, fit and finish are beyond reproach. Delivered, test fired in an authentic wood crate rope handles shipped on time, a Lifetime Guarantee and BATF letter of approval. The owner Mr. Mark Jacobs and his crew have over the years gone out of their way to supply this author with numerous spare parts and expertise whenever called upon. One can find in depth review and photos of this outstanding firearm in The Small Arms Review Magazine March 2003 Vol. 6 No. 6 page 30 and April 2004 Vol. 7 No. 7. Mark Genovese SAR (Small Arms Review Magazine) |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:49:51 AM EDT
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Check out this MG38 water-cooled that Black Bear built. Mark at Blackbear told me he spent 40 hours just polishing it to prepare it for bluing. He also said he put a fine cigar in the wooden crate for the customer so the customer could savor the moment of opening the crate.
 Mark said he'd never blue another one like this gun (park only) because it took so long to polish it. The customer said the bluing job should be so good it should allow you to read the lettering on a ruler in the reflection in the bluing from 12 inches away. The end result was you could read it from 18 inches. :)
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Posted: 2/14/2006 1:55:50 PM EDT
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wow thats a work of art !!!
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