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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:27:06 AM EDT
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Man, if only he'd known of some historical examples of how that goes bad. If only there were, oh I don't know, about two dozen a year, you know to keep it in the front of your mind. 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:28:16 AM EDT
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Who cares?  It's the damned military...Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Who cares? It's the damned military...Well stated! When look at pictures of my Army days 85-89, most everything we did would get us booted out today. So would the stuff we did in my early CG career. I wouldn't last no time in today's military. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:08:05 AM EDT
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I hate PC shit!!!  Wonder which obama loving Navy elitist he pissed offThis.. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:18:01 AM EDT
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Sure it could. It could also be this administration's undying urge to destroy anything conservative Americans have any pride in. Personally I don't know the horndog aviator in question. I don't know if this is typical of his behavior. I do know it's typical behavior of the administration though. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:18:58 AM EDT
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? He missed the briefing about not saying fuck in front of the cunts. 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:27:26 AM EDT
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Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Probably so. Nothing fighter pilots do or say surprises me anymore. Most truly believe their shit smells like roses. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:38:30 AM EDT
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Probably so. Nothing fighter pilots do or say surprises me anymore. Most truly believe their shit smells like roses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Probably so. Nothing fighter pilots do or say surprises me anymore. Most truly believe their shit smells like roses. Cotton Candy actually. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:39:15 AM EDT
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Cotton Candy actually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Probably so. Nothing fighter pilots do or say surprises me anymore. Most truly believe their shit smells like roses. Cotton Candy actually. I got to know who the dumbass was that emailed the Navy talking points to the Washington Post. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:40:17 AM EDT
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So for a lot of people it's ok to be a crude, perverted heterosexual, but simply being gay is detrimental to morale. What branch were you in that you even have to ask that question? The average military member in all services is going to answer your question with a resounding yes. I know I would have when I was in. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:41:12 AM EDT
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I got to know who the dumbass was that emailed the Navy talking points to the Washington Post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Probably so. Nothing fighter pilots do or say surprises me anymore. Most truly believe their shit smells like roses. Cotton Candy actually. I got to know who the dumbass was that emailed the Navy talking points to the Washington Post. IG PAO? |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:45:43 AM EDT
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:48:01 AM EDT
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One woman...one woman's allegations and this guy will never make Admiral.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:00:21 PM EDT
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Damn they are going for o-6s now
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:02:38 PM EDT
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What branch were you in that you even have to ask that question? The average military member in all services is going to answer your question with a resounding yes. I know I would have when I was in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So for a lot of people it's ok to be a crude, perverted heterosexual, but simply being gay is detrimental to morale. What branch were you in that you even have to ask that question? The average military member in all services is going to answer your question with a resounding yes. I know I would have when I was in. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:28:15 PM EDT
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Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. I'm going to guess Air Force. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:28:50 PM EDT
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. I'm going to guess Air Force. Of course. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 12:30:56 PM EDT
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? He wasn't a Marine... 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 1:34:42 PM EDT
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One woman...one woman's allegations and this guy will never make Admiral. You don't know what happened. Neither do I. For all either of us know, he could have been pegging 11 on the stupidometer. I've seen it happen before. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 1:39:29 PM EDT
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If true the guy's an idiot: ""that lewd speech, inappropriate comments and sexually explicit humor were allowed in the workplace and in some cases encouraged by the commanding officer. It was further alleged that pornographic images were displayed in the workplace and shared in electronic communications."
It's the military, not fucking fifth grade. 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 1:56:35 PM EDT
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Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. You don't go by the cop shop too often I take it? There's a reason we lead the AF in every bad stat. Other then actively trying to stay number 1. I don't mean we, I'm done with that and a lowly civilian again. Loved the job and people, hated the leadership. Still would do it all over again. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:05:32 PM EDT
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Nonstop lessons about Tailhook are about all I remember from the history portion of OCS. I guess this is the reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, if only he'd known of some historical examples of how that goes bad. Nonstop lessons about Tailhook are about all I remember from the history portion of OCS. I guess this is the reason. You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:10:13 PM EDT
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You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, if only he'd known of some historical examples of how that goes bad. Nonstop lessons about Tailhook are about all I remember from the history portion of OCS. I guess this is the reason. You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:10:41 PM EDT
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You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, if only he'd known of some historical examples of how that goes bad. Nonstop lessons about Tailhook are about all I remember from the history portion of OCS. I guess this is the reason. You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." Marine pilots are called Naval Aviators too. Don't ask me, that's just what they said. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:15:52 PM EDT
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If true the guy's an idiot: ""that lewd speech, inappropriate comments and sexually explicit humor were allowed in the workplace and in some cases encouraged by the commanding officer. It was further alleged that pornographic images were displayed in the workplace and shared in electronic communications." It's the military, not fucking fifth grade. Puh-Leeze. I visited the Goat Locker more than once. They cornered the market of "training films." There was one playing at nearly any time of the day. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:18:56 PM EDT
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Puh-Leeze. I visited the Goat Locker more than once. They cornered the market of "training films." There was one playing at nearly any time of the day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If true the guy's an idiot: ""that lewd speech, inappropriate comments and sexually explicit humor were allowed in the workplace and in some cases encouraged by the commanding officer. It was further alleged that pornographic images were displayed in the workplace and shared in electronic communications." It's the military, not fucking fifth grade. Puh-Leeze. I visited the Goat Locker more than once. They cornered the market of "training films." There was one playing at nearly any time of the day. On a det to Denmark, my Senior Chief bought an inflatable sheep with a dildo in its ass to spruce up the Goat Locker. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:21:48 PM EDT
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Marine pilots are called Naval Aviators too. Don't ask me, that's just what they said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man, if only he'd known of some historical examples of how that goes bad. Nonstop lessons about Tailhook are about all I remember from the history portion of OCS. I guess this is the reason. You would have loved living through the actual Tailhook witch hunts... as in "no promotion if you even know anyone who attended Tailhook." It didn't help that some Marine aviator decided it would be a good idea to send a fax to chief witch hunter Patsy Schroeder's office (yes, with the "From; VMFA-xxx" heading on it) that said "Hickory Dickory Dock Pat Schroeder, Suck My Cock." Marine pilots are called Naval Aviators too. Don't ask me, that's just what they said. Just making clear that it in that particular case it wasn't a blue-suit aviator being exceptionally dumb. That one even made the aviators across the hall cringe. While that fax also reflected their opinion, they claimed they would have been smart enough to disable the headers first. We innocent bystander SWOs and the Submariners  weren't terribly pleased to suffer alongside them.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:25:11 PM EDT
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On a det to Denmark, my Senior Chief bought an inflatable sheep with a dildo in its ass to spruce up the Goat Locker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If true the guy's an idiot: ""that lewd speech, inappropriate comments and sexually explicit humor were allowed in the workplace and in some cases encouraged by the commanding officer. It was further alleged that pornographic images were displayed in the workplace and shared in electronic communications." It's the military, not fucking fifth grade. Puh-Leeze. I visited the Goat Locker more than once. They cornered the market of "training films." There was one playing at nearly any time of the day. On a det to Denmark, my Senior Chief bought an inflatable sheep with a dildo in its ass to spruce up the Goat Locker.  You owe me a keyboard!! That's just the kind of good morale building humor that isn't tolerated anymore.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 3:32:02 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Whatever, sometimes people drink their own Kool Aid. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 3:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:06:08 PM EDT
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Things we have all learned from the DoD's full retard over-reaction. If a woman has had any amount of alcohol she cannot consent to sex. Any sex you have with any woman with any amount of alcohol in her system is rape. Nearly all men, therefore, are rapists. Based on the last (Army) SHARP training/vids I was subjected to, you are just about 100% correct. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:14:43 PM EDT
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Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. How long have you been a fighter pilot? |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:16:34 PM EDT
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So an amazing pilot and officer is being run out on a rail, because he likes women. Great. Where in any professional setting do you think frat house shenanigans are acceptable or appropriate? Like Dport said, when the details emerge I doubt it will be anything as trivial as you think. I can only speak for my service, but our fighter squadrons are trainwrecks. The shit that goes down in the bars heritage rooms is disgraceful, and the least professional officers and pilots I have ever met or worked for have always been fighter guys. How long have you been a fighter pilot? 0.0 hours. What does that have to do with direct personal observations of unprofessional behavior over a period of two decades? 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:25:19 PM EDT
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Yes this stuff used to happen all the time. Now it won't, and everyone in the service knows the standard. Its just like any other regulation, you adhere to it because that's part of earning your paycheck. People need to realize this if they want to stay employed and advance.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:29:03 PM EDT
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Never mind!
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:37:51 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Talking to guys who know him well, they suspect witch hunt. Doesn't mean he didn't do something stupid but there are guys about whom you'd say "Finally caught up to him" and other guys about whom you'd be really surprised. The folks who know him well are all surprisd. That said, we were all surprised about an earlier O6 firing not long ago too. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:50:01 PM EDT
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Talking to guys who know him well, they suspect witch hunt. Doesn't mean he didn't do something stupid but there are guys about whom you'd say "Finally caught up to him" and other guys about whom you'd be really surprised. The folks who know him well are all surprisd. That said, we were all surprised about an earlier O6 firing not long ago too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Talking to guys who know him well, they suspect witch hunt. Doesn't mean he didn't do something stupid but there are guys about whom you'd say "Finally caught up to him" and other guys about whom you'd be really surprised. The folks who know him well are all surprisd. That said, we were all surprised about an earlier O6 firing not long ago too. Everyone being surprised doesn't indicate innocence. The neighbors of the BTK killer were surprised and said many of the same things. Most repeat rapists never get caught because people immediately discount the victim. Part of that is being a likable person, the other part is choosing victims that will be immediately discounted. While this doesn't sound like a rape case at all, it is definitely food for thought. Everyone in the military is familiar with the rules and regs, and it is just like any other rule and reg. You don't have to abide by it, but if someone doesn't like something you do that is against regulation and they call you out you will not land on your feet. If this guy really was the best and brightest he never would have violated regulations so easy to follow. Welcome to the new age, where we in the military are trying to get rid of stereotypes. Stereotypes where people think by joining as a woman you will be raped. Stereotypes where everyone thinks being in the military makes you some kind of an animal. There is a higher chance of being raped going to a university right now than there is by joining the military. I want people to realize that instead of spouting off about what savages we are. The sooner we acclimate to this change the sooner we are going to stop having 3 hours of SAPR and SHARP shoved down our throats weekly as well. Keep your friends out of trouble, sometimes they need to be reminded. Even if some chick in your office or whatever is "cool" with it all it takes is her to say one thing one day after deciding she isn't cool with it. And she won't be the one hurting for it anymore. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:54:27 PM EDT
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He probably implied something bad about Obama or Democrats in the past, or holds conservative values.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:59:19 PM EDT
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Everyone being surprised doesn't indicate innocence. The neighbors of the BTK killer were surprised and said many of the same things. Most repeat rapists never get caught because people immediately discount the victim. Part of that is being a likable person, the other part is choosing victims that will be immediately discounted. While this doesn't sound like a rape case at all, it is definitely food for thought. Everyone in the military is familiar with the rules and regs, and it is just like any other rule and reg. You don't have to abide by it, but if someone doesn't like something you do that is against regulation and they call you out you will not land on your feet. If this guy really was the best and brightest he never would have violated regulations so easy to follow. Welcome to the new age, where we in the military are trying to get rid of stereotypes. Stereotypes where people think by joining as a woman you will be raped. Stereotypes where everyone thinks being in the military makes you some kind of an animal. There is a higher chance of being raped going to a university right now than there is by joining the military. I want people to realize that instead of spouting off about what savages we are. The sooner we acclimate to this change the sooner we are going to stop having 3 hours of SAPR and SHARP shoved down our throats weekly as well. Keep your friends out of trouble, sometimes they need to be reminded. Even if some chick in your office or whatever is "cool" with it all it takes is her to say one thing one day after deciding she isn't cool with it. And she won't be the one hurting for it anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Talking to guys who know him well, they suspect witch hunt. Doesn't mean he didn't do something stupid but there are guys about whom you'd say "Finally caught up to him" and other guys about whom you'd be really surprised. The folks who know him well are all surprisd. That said, we were all surprised about an earlier O6 firing not long ago too. Everyone being surprised doesn't indicate innocence. The neighbors of the BTK killer were surprised and said many of the same things. Most repeat rapists never get caught because people immediately discount the victim. Part of that is being a likable person, the other part is choosing victims that will be immediately discounted. While this doesn't sound like a rape case at all, it is definitely food for thought. Everyone in the military is familiar with the rules and regs, and it is just like any other rule and reg. You don't have to abide by it, but if someone doesn't like something you do that is against regulation and they call you out you will not land on your feet. If this guy really was the best and brightest he never would have violated regulations so easy to follow. Welcome to the new age, where we in the military are trying to get rid of stereotypes. Stereotypes where people think by joining as a woman you will be raped. Stereotypes where everyone thinks being in the military makes you some kind of an animal. There is a higher chance of being raped going to a university right now than there is by joining the military. I want people to realize that instead of spouting off about what savages we are. The sooner we acclimate to this change the sooner we are going to stop having 3 hours of SAPR and SHARP shoved down our throats weekly as well. Keep your friends out of trouble, sometimes they need to be reminded. Even if some chick in your office or whatever is "cool" with it all it takes is her to say one thing one day after deciding she isn't cool with it. And she won't be the one hurting for it anymore. Oh, c'mon. We all know the double standards and PC hypersensitivity that permeate today's military. I know a chief that was reprimanded referring to a flip chart as a "flip chart" because we all should know that "flip" is a culturally insensitive term for Phillipino. All of that sensitivity training will never go away and it is going to get worse, not because we are insensitive louts, because brass and politicians demand it to show how sensitive they are on their fitreps. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:05:35 PM EDT
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Most likely. The scuttlebutt is when the investigation can be FOIAed it will show that he deserved it. I have a hard time believing it in this case. Captain McWherter completed a two year command tour and then was ordered back for a second tour after his relief almost flew the Diamond formation into the dirt. That's four years to be engaged in such hijinks while commanding one of our most high-visibility units. Talking to guys who know him well, they suspect witch hunt. Doesn't mean he didn't do something stupid but there are guys about whom you'd say "Finally caught up to him" and other guys about whom you'd be really surprised. The folks who know him well are all surprisd. That said, we were all surprised about an earlier O6 firing not long ago too. Everyone being surprised doesn't indicate innocence. The neighbors of the BTK killer were surprised and said many of the same things. Most repeat rapists never get caught because people immediately discount the victim. Part of that is being a likable person, the other part is choosing victims that will be immediately discounted. . Hey Captain frickin' Obvious, did you read the second and fourth sentences of my post? The sentences where I said that surprise didn't indicate innocence. That said, did BTK's neighbors share a stateroom with him during deployment? Did they go on liberty with him? To air wing Fallon? Were they at his wedding? Your comparison is bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:09:27 PM EDT
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That doesn't mean anything either. One of my old shipmates is going to jail over an FBI investigation because he had pictures of minors doing sex acts in his car and pictures through windows of his neighbors taking showers. We lived in the same room two years and I never would have expected that.
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Oh, c'mon. We all know the double standards and PC hypersensitivity that permeate today's military. I know a chief that was reprimanded referring to a flip chart as a "flip chart" because we all should know that "flip" is a culturally insensitive term for Phillipino. All of that sensitivity training will never go away and it is going to get worse, not because we are insensitive louts, because brass and politicians demand it to show how sensitive they are on their fitreps. I'm not denying that a "zero tolerance" witch hunt is becoming the norm, but here is an example of how widespread the stupid shit is in just our branch of service: http://www.foia.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-130118-015.pdf Was some of it just maxims and shit? Sure. Was some of it a hell of a lot worse? You bet. Was most of it found in ACC squadrons? Yep. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:14:05 PM EDT
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Was surprised by a former CO who got fired on his second CO tour. Happens.
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Could it possibly, remotely be that the guy really could have been crude, unprofessional pervert? Who cares? It's the damned military...Well stated! When look at pictures of my Army days 85-89, most everything we did would get us booted out today. So would the stuff we did in my early CG career. I wouldn't last no time in today's military. Same here brother. Us old warriors are being forced out. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:44:41 PM EDT
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Don't you have a crud game you're late for or something? Now you're talking. Before the internet, it was hard to find anyone who knew what crud was. |
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Was surprised by a former CO who got fired on his second CO tour. Happens. Yeah it does. Sometimes it's surprising and justified - see Chilly Winter. Other time, not so much. |
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"may have violated" ?????????? WTF....is he guilty or not..........can't have it both ways but you can sure as hell ruin someone's career and reputation with "MAY have'........... They canned Capt. Stump just for being at Tail hook...and he had only shown up to receive an award. Capt. McWhirter was good people back when he was a JO. |
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