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Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/ BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions. Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment." Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing. Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway. +1 I'm not seeing a problem. |
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Quoted: Do you realize this is as stupid as " the only reason to own an assault rifle is to kill people" ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like murder to me? My kid is acting up in school, smoking dope and getting suspended, So let me Euthanize him or her.. Sounds like a abunch of Nihilists Moralists. Do you realize this is as stupid as " the only reason to own an assault rifle is to kill people" ? to cover up medical malpractice, saying the kid wanted it.. So go take a red pill if you want..
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. View Quote That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. |
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It reminds me of the dummies who believe abortion is for "rape and incest".
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If God wants them alive, he should probably do something about their pesky terminal illnesses. You do understand what "terminal" means, right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. And yet you want the government to pass laws allowing it. People already have the right to kill themselves. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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It reminds me of the dummies who believe abortion is for "rape and incest". Really? When? Killing for cost and convenience. You can fool some people all of the time. View Quote I got to watch my mother slide down the slope to death for 2 months because of HepC from a blood transfusion. She asked to die, she begged to die and they could do nothing but keep her "comfortable" while her body toxified and her mind slipped into madness from the pain and swelling. I would have given her the injection myself if it was legal to ease her suffering. Cost and convenience? I would love for you to spend some time in a hospice and see how this can be used for the benefit of the individual. Anything else I say to you will get me banned from this site. |
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I don't see the problem. My Uncle resides in Holland and is currently dying of lung cancer. As I understand it, he is officially throwing in the towel as of last week. It doesn't seem to be a bad way to deal with it; he gets to set up his funeral the way he wants, have friends and family visit and then simply check out, without slowly wasting away in excruciating pain. It's the only control he has left over the situation. In principle I don't see why children don't deserve the same. View Quote I've already told my wife if I ever end up with a terminal disease like that, when I start going down hill I'm going to check myself out. |
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Quoted: god shouldn't have given them an excruciatingly painful terminal illness. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. god shouldn't have given them an excruciatingly painful terminal illness. It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side Praise the one who left you broken down and paralyzed He did it all for you... |
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And yet you want the government to pass laws allowing it. People already have the right to kill themselves. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. And yet you want the government to pass laws allowing it. People already have the right to kill themselves. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. |
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If you think it is more acceptable to force a severely disabled child to live an excruciating and debilitated existence versus humanely letting them go to sleep and suffer no more then you REALLY need to re-think your ethical code.
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Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. View Quote Why would you care what the law was after you are dead? A tall building, a rope, a razor would suffice. Except for the totally paralyzed, what kinda lazy asshole needs someone else to kill him when he wants to suicide? |
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If you think it is more acceptable to force a severely disabled child to live an excruciating and debilitated existence versus humanely letting them go to sleep and suffer no more then you REALLY need to re-think your ethical code. View Quote If it was really so awful they could do it themselves, if dying isn't worth the effort, maybe they should consider going on living? ETA: If you are mentally capable of understanding death, you are mentally capable of figuring out a way to kill yourself, so this is either A: the murder of people who don't understand whats going on, B: The lazy having someone else kill them. |
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I wish they had it here, not so much for kids but for adults, friend is CNA for hospice and if most of those people had an option, they would take an early exit instead of suffering and waiting to die. View Quote People can take an early exit anytime they choose. What should never ever happen is legally empowering a medical professional or anyone else that matter to take another life because of pain or inconvenience. |
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If it was really so awful they could do it themselves, if dying isn't worth the effort, maybe they should consider going on living? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you think it is more acceptable to force a severely disabled child to live an excruciating and debilitated existence versus humanely letting them go to sleep and suffer no more then you REALLY need to re-think your ethical code. If it was really so awful they could do it themselves, if dying isn't worth the effort, maybe they should consider going on living? A baby born with Harlqeuin Ichthyosis is incapable of doing it themselves. Rest assured they suffer. Give the kid a shot and put him out of his misery if the parents consent and three good doctors agree the patient has no chance. |
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A baby born with Harlqeuin Ichthyosis is incapable of doing it themselves. Rest assured they suffer. Give the kid a shot and put him out of his misery if the parents consent and three good doctors agree the patient has no chance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
A baby born with Harlqeuin Ichthyosis is incapable of doing it themselves. Rest assured they suffer. Give the kid a shot and put him out of his misery if the parents consent and three good doctors agree the patient has no chance. Eugenics is cool with me, as I am genetically superior, however the rest of y'all might want to rethink where that leads. A baby born ugly/short/fat//conservative/blankskin is incapable of doing it themselves. Rest assured they suffer. Give the kid a shot and put him out of his misery |
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Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism. Thanks for playing kid. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always had a big lead. Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism. Thanks for playing kid. There is nothing about an adult making a decision over the viability of their own life, it is about grown ups deciding on the convenience of a child and involving a medical professional as the hitter. |
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I know the issue here deals specifically with children, but it is a travesty that assisted suicide/euthanasia is illegal in the US. View Quote We just had a thread last night about the VA lobotomizing veterans after WWII. We know that medical professional will monitor and not treat people with various diseases if they can get away with it. We have also seen our European friends find doctors doing much much worse when the freedom to pursue "pure science" stripped away morality and societal constraint, coupled with less than-human pool of involuntary recruits. I think we need to make sure doctors don't get involved in playing medical-god anymore then they already are. If you are suffering and want to punch out, feel free. I am sure you can find a way to make it quick or painless, maybe even both. But if you don't have the will to end your own life don't try to farm it out to someone else. |
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/12/belgium-senate-child-euthanasia/4000713/ BRUSSELS (AP) — Belgium's Senate has strongly supported legislation that would extend the country's euthanasia law to children under certain conditions. Senators on Thursday voted 50-17 in favor of the proposed law. If adopted, it will decriminalize euthanasia for children, if they are in great pain, suffer from a terminal condition and are expected to die soon. The children would have to submit a written request to be euthanized, and be aware of what their request meant. No age limit would be set, but the children would have "to possess the capacity of discernment." Their parents or legal representatives also would have to support the request in writing. View Quote Honestly, I don't see the problem. If you want to die because you have a terminal illness and are suffering greatly.....I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because they are kids does not make them immune to suffering, and if their illness is terminal....why make them suffer just because they are kids (and they are choosing, and understand what they are choosing for THEMSELVES). |
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I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's not it at all. Your life is YOUR LIFE. If you want it over so badly that you are willing to submit papers for euthanasia, you should be able to do with your life what you please. The idea that you can't take your own life under these circumstances is absurd. If you have a religious problem with it, then YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO SUFFER, not force everyone else suffer because you can't deal with that option being on the table. |
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People can take an early exit anytime they choose. What should never ever happen is legally empowering a medical professional or anyone else that matter to take another life because of pain or inconvenience. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I wish they had it here, not so much for kids but for adults, friend is CNA for hospice and if most of those people had an option, they would take an early exit instead of suffering and waiting to die. People can take an early exit anytime they choose. What should never ever happen is legally empowering a medical professional or anyone else that matter to take another life because of pain or inconvenience. The way I read this, the patient themselves would have to request it.......not the doc. Ponder this for a moment: if you are bedridden and cannot take care of yourself, how are you supposed to do this alone? |
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The way I read this, the patient themselves would have to request it.......not the doc. Ponder this for a moment: if you are bedridden and cannot take care of yourself, how are you supposed to do this alone? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I wish they had it here, not so much for kids but for adults, friend is CNA for hospice and if most of those people had an option, they would take an early exit instead of suffering and waiting to die. People can take an early exit anytime they choose. What should never ever happen is legally empowering a medical professional or anyone else that matter to take another life because of pain or inconvenience. The way I read this, the patient themselves would have to request it.......not the doc. Ponder this for a moment: if you are bedridden and cannot take care of yourself, how are you supposed to do this alone? If the patient want to swallow a fist full of pills fine, nothing should be carried out or administered by any medical professional. |
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I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My thoughts exactly. Seems like a lot of folks in this thread would enjoy masturbating while watching Million Dollar Baby. |
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FPNI. They're gonna die anyway, their parents concur, they understand what's going on. Why prolong the suffering? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Given the many requirements stated, I can't really say I think this is a bad thing. Sounds more like "assisted suicide" with the concurrence of the parents, for minors who have mental capacity and who are suffering from great pain due to a disease that is terminal anyway. FPNI. They're gonna die anyway, their parents concur, they understand what's going on. Why prolong the suffering? I disagree ...children have NO perception of death. They DO KNOW how they feel and may have a limited capacity for abstract thinking. HERE Children are at the mercy of their care givers and will rely on them for 'truth' and shape their perceptions based on information their care givers provide and learning from within their culture. Physical pain can be managed in most cases. Death, in this case euthanasia, is for the convenience of the parents. Hopefully, not the STATE. Did not read the entire text of the proposal. Hopefully, there are sufficient safe guards to protect the children targeted for euthanasia. |
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Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. And yet you want the government to pass laws allowing it. People already have the right to kill themselves. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. You can't charge a dead person with a crime. CO is a painless way to kill yourself. I'm sure there are gasoline engines and charcoal available. |
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That's not it at all. Your life is YOUR LIFE. If you want it over so badly that you are willing to submit papers for euthanasia, you should be able to do with your life what you please. The idea that you can't take your own life under these circumstances is absurd. If you have a religious problem with it, then YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO SUFFER, not force everyone else suffer because you can't deal with that option being on the table. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's not it at all. Your life is YOUR LIFE. If you want it over so badly that you are willing to submit papers for euthanasia, you should be able to do with your life what you please. The idea that you can't take your own life under these circumstances is absurd. If you have a religious problem with it, then YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO SUFFER, not force everyone else suffer because you can't deal with that option being on the table. Yet you want the government to step in and allow doctors to kill them. If you want to end YOUR LIFE, no one is stopping you. I don't want the state involved with it. |
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Yet you want the government to step in and allow doctors to kill them. If you want to end YOUR LIFE, no one is stopping you. I don't want the state involved with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's not it at all. Your life is YOUR LIFE. If you want it over so badly that you are willing to submit papers for euthanasia, you should be able to do with your life what you please. The idea that you can't take your own life under these circumstances is absurd. If you have a religious problem with it, then YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO SUFFER, not force everyone else suffer because you can't deal with that option being on the table. Yet you want the government to step in and allow doctors to kill them. If you want to end YOUR LIFE, no one is stopping you. I don't want the state involved with it. How are you supposed to end your life if you can't even get out of bed? I mean it's easy if you're still able bodied and have access to a gun, but a lot of these people don't have it that good. |
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How are you supposed to end your life if you can't even get out of bed? I mean it's easy if you're still able bodied and have access to a gun, but a lot of these people don't have it that good. View Quote Glass of water and a bottle of pills, swallow, gulp, repeat as needed. Also, if you have waited until your disease has progressed until you are bed ridden and unable to move then you made your decision. Allowing the government or medical professionals to carry out extra-judicial killing is a bad move and will have greater consequences than you or I can imagine. |
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There is nothing about an adult making a decision over the viability of their own life, it is about grown ups deciding on the convenience of a child and involving a medical professional as the hitter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always had a big lead. Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism. Thanks for playing kid. There is nothing about an adult making a decision over the viability of their own life, it is about grown ups deciding on the convenience of a child and involving a medical professional as the hitter. Reading is for faggots. |
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Quoted: I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. I thought I did. Then one of my terminal small cell lung cancer patients with mets to the brain walked into my office 3 years later! Look guys, I understand people don't want to see others suffer unnecessarily. I get it. Give them enough drugs to make them comfortable. But if you think giving someone a hot stick is a good idea then don't be surprised when they kill your child with Down's Syndrome. I guaran-fucking-tee you they would find Agenda 21 doctors to do it. Slippery slope is slippery. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Voluntary assisted suicide is not the same thing as Eugenics.
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On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always had a big lead. Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism. Thanks for playing kid. There is nothing about an adult making a decision over the viability of their own life, it is about grown ups deciding on the convenience of a child and involving a medical professional as the hitter. Reading is for faggots. Reality is a harsh bitch. |
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You can't charge a dead person with a crime. CO is a painless way to kill yourself. I'm sure there are gasoline engines and charcoal available. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. That's fine if it's your religious belief, but don't force your belief system on the rest of us. It is and should only be one's personal decision. It's not the govs business (or for that matter someone else' religion's opinion) how or if somehow chooses to end their life. And yet you want the government to pass laws allowing it. People already have the right to kill themselves. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. You can't charge a dead person with a crime. CO is a painless way to kill yourself. I'm sure there are gasoline engines and charcoal available. He I'm not the genius that wrote the law. But the reason it is a crime has to do with the fact that the attempt/assistance/preparation for/ ect also become illegal. |
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On the path to pure SOCIALISM, Europe has always had a big lead. Having control over your own life and death is the very opposite of Socialism. Thanks for playing kid. There is nothing about an adult making a decision over the viability of their own life, it is about grown ups deciding on the convenience of a child and involving a medical professional as the hitter. Reading is for faggots. Reality is a harsh bitch. Perhaps you should to read up on the matter before commenting? |
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Seems a lot of people want to handle GOD'S business. View Quote You must be opposed to the death penalty. My dad died in pain asking to be put out of his misery. No dignity in his death. My god would not approve. I would have helped but would have ended up in jail leaving my wife and son to fend for themselves. This just months after our 13 year old died. |
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Yet you want the government to step in and allow doctors to kill them. If you want to end YOUR LIFE, no one is stopping you. I don't want the state involved with it. View Quote Agreed that the state should be kept well away on this subject. It's the doctors that guard the authority to say go or no go on certain chemical compounds. |
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Why would you care what the law was after you are dead? A tall building, a rope, a razor would suffice. Except for the totally paralyzed, what kinda lazy asshole needs someone else to kill him when he wants to suicide? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nope weird thing is committing suicide is actually a crime here. Another problem is that you do not have access to the drugs (or firearms) that you would need. Why would you care what the law was after you are dead? A tall building, a rope, a razor would suffice. Except for the totally paralyzed, what kinda lazy asshole needs someone else to kill him when he wants to suicide? The kind of asshole that doesn't want to leave a gory,traumatic mess? |
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The kind of asshole that doesn't want to leave a gory,traumatic mess? View Quote People who don't want to leave a mess slit their wrists in the bathtub. Why is it less traumatizing for doctors to kill someone than them to kill themselves. To me its MORE traumatizing because you can never know if the person REALLY wanted it since they delegated the final responsibility. |
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Another step in the ongoing neoliberal project to further commoditize individual human life.
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