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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:03:51 AM EDT
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At least in jail I'd have three hots and a cot, a library to work on my masters, a gym to get buff... and free health care! Come get me bitches! ETA: And free cable, too! And free anal sex too! 
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:04:45 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. there should now be a national seatbelt law so that people don't drain the system there should be a national helmet law...actually...let's just get rid of motorcycles and sports cars since they are involved in a higher rate of accidents than other types of vehicles we should probably ban swimming pools while we are at it too just for good measure and of course we can't forget about how many injuries are caused by firearms in a year so they will have to go too Don't forget about smoking, booze, fast food, steak, etc.... And there is where the real problem is. Once insurance is mandated, then the insurance companies will force people to live specific lifestyles ( no smoke, booze, fast food, etc. ) or else they won't cover you, and of course with no coverage you get fined, and so forth. Talk about the slippery slope. Mandated anything within health care will drive this country faster into total socialism than probably anything else that they have cooking. AND NEITHER PARTY SEEMS TO BE ARGUING THE MANDATED PART OF ANY OF THESE BILLS!!!!!!! So if ANYTHING passes, you can probably count on it being mandated. Talk about treading on the american people and forcing their hand. This country's leadership for years has worn out the 'public safety' argument when proposing bills that seem to go against the intention of the constitution to get around it. IT IS TIME FOR THE PEOPLE TO START PROTECTING THE FLANKS OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND PREVENT THESE END RUNS AROUND IT. Which seems to be part and parcel for all of them on capital hill. It's provided for in the constitution as the people's authority and unless capital hill reverses course, it will soon be time to refresh at the say so of AMERICAN CITIZENS. THE LEGAL ONES!!! And the rest can simply GTFO!! And since this turned into a mini rant, I include the obligatory profanity: FUCKERS!! ASSHOLES!! SONS OF BITCHES!! POLITICIANS CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!! |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:05:05 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills? Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket. I insist. Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change. Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation . 
All aboard the fucking FAIL train. 30,000 a year for doctors. My fucking trash man makes more then that.
Thank God that the neurosurgeon who repaired a fucking anuerysm in my head before it popped makes probably 20 times that. Otherwise a man of his genius would never have gone into the field, would never have worked 20 fucking hours a day for 20 years to learn his trade, and would never have racked up $250,000 in student loans to get there. Goddamnit people. If you don't want to pay the doctor the amount they are willing to exchange their services for, don't fucking do business with them. What you just proposed IS SOCIALISM. Might want to look up the terminology before you start using it. Doctors don't spend their lives working and going to school, away from their families, so that they could be there to take care of your dumb ass when you get sick. They work for the same reasons the rest of us do, to take care of their families and to provide for their own self-interests. Its not a fucking charity people! who the hell wants to do all the work and make all the sacrifice to become a doctor if you can make the same living picking up trash. Do you really belive with obamas socailist medical plan your DR would continue to make the salary he deserves . Again I was responding to a healthcare provider who thinkds it is ok to stel my money to pay for his deadbeat patients .I was just putting it back on him , I'm glad you are ok .BTW under the obama plan you may or may not have qualified for that surgery you mentioned . I think you and I have encountered communication error somewhere along the way. I agree with you dude, FUCK OBAMACARE!!! I FUCKING HATE SOCIALISM. Anything other then free-markets is not only foolish, it is morally corrupt! My argument is that the government should stay the fuck out. The only place the government can have a rightful impact is via tort reform. People need to pay for their own healthcare, and doctors need to run their business as they see fit! Fuck the government! |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:08:24 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills? Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket. I insist. Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change. Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation .
All aboard the fucking FAIL train. 30,000 a year for doctors. My fucking trash man makes more then that.
Thank God that the neurosurgeon who repaired a fucking anuerysm in my head before it popped makes probably 20 times that. Otherwise a man of his genius would never have gone into the field, would never have worked 20 fucking hours a day for 20 years to learn his trade, and would never have racked up $250,000 in student loans to get there. Goddamnit people. If you don't want to pay the doctor the amount they are willing to exchange their services for, don't fucking do business with them. What you just proposed IS SOCIALISM. Might want to look up the terminology before you start using it. Doctors don't spend their lives working and going to school, away from their families, so that they could be there to take care of your dumb ass when you get sick. They work for the same reasons the rest of us do, to take care of their families and to provide for their own self-interests. Its not a fucking charity people! who the hell wants to do all the work and make all the sacrifice to become a doctor if you can make the same living picking up trash. Do you really belive with obamas socailist medical plan your DR would continue to make the salary he deserves . Again I was responding to a healthcare provider who thinkds it is ok to stel my money to pay for his deadbeat patients .I was just putting it back on him , I'm glad you are ok .BTW under the obama plan you may or may not have qualified for that surgery you mentioned . I think you and I have encountered communication error somewhere along the way.
I agree with you dude, FUCK OBAMACARE!!! I FUCKING HATE SOCIALISM. Anything other then free-markets is not only foolish, it is morally corrupt! My argument is that the government should stay the fuck out. The only place the government can have a rightful impact is via tort reform. People need to pay for their own healthcare, and doctors need to run their business as they see fit! Fuck the government! I must have misread ! |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:10:25 AM EDT
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At least in jail I'd have three hots and a cot, a library to work on my masters, a gym to get buff... and free health care! Come get me bitches! ETA: And free cable, too! butsecks 2 |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:12:50 AM EDT
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Requiring people to report on their tax returns that they didn't have insurance for certain months is unconstitutional. Here's why; under this proposal having health insurance will be mandatory beginning in 2013. Not having insurance will be unlawful. If you break the law you cannot be compelled by the government to incriminate yourself. This violates the 5th Amendment. A lot of people go to jail for tax evasion for not reporting their earnings from criminal activities. Tax law says you have to report all earnings, thus incriminating yourself if you earned money from illegal activities. The main benefit of the income tax for the government is to be able to circumvent the Constitution using tax law, which does not have to be constitutional according to the Supreme Court. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:15:38 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. You just automatically assume that anyone who can afford insurance, but doesn't, will skip on hospital bills? Tell you what sport, feel free to pay for your own health care, plus all the tallest buildings in every major US city that those...highly efficient...insurance companies put up, but keep your hands OUT of my pocket. I insist. Uh, I'm in the healthcare industry, and no, most don't pay. The states make it difficult for hospitals to collect those debts too. I agree that the main problem is the treatment mandate, but that is not going to change. Instead of stealing my money to pay for this shit .Why not cap DR's ,Nurses ,and anyone else in the healtcare feilds pay to say $30,000 a year average . limit medical lawsuits to $20,000 Max and do away with medical liability insurance .Patients can pay upfront or before they leave just like when you get your car worked on ! this shit is so easily fixed .But this is not about fixing anything it is about Making the US a Socialist Nation . Are you fucking serious? |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:16:21 AM EDT
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This is something I love bringing up to some of my more liberal co-workers (especially the ones who don't know my politics). When they mention supporting a new law, I ask them, "Do you support the use of force to enforce that law?" and the answer is almost universally no. I then explain to them that basically all laws exist as a sort of "do this or else" statement with the force of arms backing it up. I ask them, in light of that, if their neighbor chose not to comply with the new law, and chose to resist the states attempts to force his compliance, are they OK with him being shot over it? It tends to get people thinking about whats really important and whether or not some ideas need laws backing them up. That is brilliant. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:17:56 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. +1 How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire? Huh? You hear plenty of peeps about it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:32:42 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. So you want to criminalize the uninsured self-paying patients ? Fuck the insurance scam. I'll spend MY MONEY on whatever health care I CHOOSE to purchase. Or I will spend my income on other things, like food, clothing, shelter and transportation. Uninsured self-pay citizens still end up paying for the deadbeats and illegal aliens. We still suffer from the cost0-shifting from the uninsured non-paying. Unlike the insured and the .GOV, we aren't in an advantagous position to negotiate a price for medical services. We pay what they tell us to pay after most procedures are done. How about "up front pricing" ? Is there any other good or service which Americans purchase, where the actual price of the good or service is not listed before the transaction ? There is ZERO transparancy in the purchasing of health care. Congress should enforce transparency in pricing before infringing on our Constitutional rights. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:33:15 AM EDT
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Go ahead and pass it. Try to enforce it. Don't forget to bring lots of 'friends'.
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:46:31 AM EDT
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If I hit you with my car and I don't have insurance, do you trust me to cough up +100k in medical bills? They put uninsured motorists in jail for good reason. Mandatory insurance is a good idea when there is potential liability in the millions of dollars that you can incur. If you don't like the industry, have the government make a competing system. It's also usually possible to avoid insurance if you put up a huge bond in most states (so if you can let the state hold on to +50k, you are fine without insurance). Uninsured motorists have the option to walk, ride a bike, take the bus. Hell, a high percentage of NYC doesn't even own vehicles. Their choice. They choose to not own a vehicle, so they don't have to have car insurance. What option does someone with no medical insurance have that they can't afford? Suicide? Remember, they didn't choose to come into this life. They aren't trying to follow the law so they can maintain their privilage to drive. They have the right to live. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:52:03 AM EDT
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This whole fucking healthcare scheme is nothing more than an attempt at creating another huge cash cow for the crooked asswipes to funnel money out of for other social programs.
It's just Social Security on steroids. 
AND... why all of a sudden the extreme urgency to ram it down our throats ? Why wasn't this such a big deal 10 years ago ? 20 years ago ? It's because our population has BOOMED recently with the goddamn Mexican invasion. Those rotten cockroaches are in EVERY town in America and they are clogging up the hospitals with uninsured welfare scum. This isn't about insuring you and me... this is about taking MORE money out of our pockets to support these fucking illegal immigrants. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:58:07 AM EDT
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Something to think about.
Close,tight knit family. One person holds all the assets. Nobody else shows any income. Chris |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 10:12:50 AM EDT
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That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. +1 How come you don't hear a peep about the mandate of auto insurance in all states, except New Hampshire? Because car insurance and health insurance are NOT the same thing. Three distinctions. 1. If you don't drive a car, you don't need auto insurance. If you don't seek health care, you don't need health insurance. Also, it is not illegal to pay for health care services out-of-pocket. Freedom and capitalism- aren't they great ?
2. In many States, auto insurance is required to protect OTHERS from damage you might cause. Health insurance (in theory) protects YOU from the financial damage you might do to YOURSELF. 3. Driving a car is a privileged activity which triggers the public policy requirement that all drivers be insured. Being a living and breathing native-born American citizen is not a privileged activity, and we possess certain fundamental rights which the .GOV can only violate by surviving a court challenge. Take your pick of legal arguments- 5th Amendment due process, 5th Amendment takings, Article I, Section 9; Clause 3 bill of attainder prohibition, violation of the Commerce Clause. from wiki- To pass strict scrutiny, the law or policy must satisfy three prongs: First, it must be justified by a compelling governmental interest. While the Courts have never brightly defined how to determine if an interest is compelling, the concept generally refers to something necessary or crucial, as opposed to something merely preferred. Examples include national security, preserving the lives of multiple individuals, and not violating explicit constitutional protections. Second, the law or policy must be narrowly tailored to achieve that goal or interest. If the government action encompasses too much (overbroad) or fails to address essential aspects of the compelling interest (under-inclusive), then the rule is not considered narrowly tailored. Finally, the law or policy must be the least restrictive means for achieving that interest. More accurately, there cannot be a less restrictive way to effectively achieve the compelling government interest, but the test will not fail just because there is another method that is equally the least restrictive. Some legal scholars consider this 'least restrictive means' requirement part of being narrowly tailored, though the Court generally evaluates it as a separate prong. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 10:15:42 AM EDT
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The mandatory insurance idea looks good at first, but since there is such a problem with it, then maybe those who opt out now cannot be seen at a hospital without insurance. In other words, remove the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone, and replace it with a law that requires them to treat those with insurance instead. How about if i have cash? Is that no longer any good in your Utopia? He can't have us showing up at the E.R. with our tactical wheelbarrows of cash.  
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:05:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. But there is still the escape clause for those who cant afford it. I mean hell if all my money goes towards rent/house payment lights and water food and heating........why the hell should I be forced to get coverage when the welfare queens and pimps in the hood who spend it on hookers and blow get a by on it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:14:42 AM EDT
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And where exactly does the constitution give them the right to do this?
don't see it......... wait... Mabey it's......... NOPE, not there. 
So not only do the congress and sentators that vote for this need to swing from the treason tree, some supreme court justices will be guilty as well. 
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:23:39 AM EDT
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My body my choice
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:59:48 AM EDT
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Yuh. I jus got outta da fuckin' joint for havin' no fuckin' health care insurance. Dey put me inna fuckin' cell wit a guy that tore a fuckin' tag offa fuckin' matteress, anna nudder guy inna udder fuckin' cell was doin' 2 ta 5 for overdue oil change. 
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:56:36 PM EDT
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And where exactly does the constitution give them the right to do this? don't see it......... wait... Mabey it's......... NOPE, not there.
So not only do the congress and sentators that vote for this need to swing from the treason tree, some supreme court justices will be guilty as well. I have suggested charging the people that drafted HR3200 with treason in some FTF political chats. Got some funny looks. Also, i think someplace near the end of HR3200, the states loose some sovereignty. WHY is that in there? |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 1:00:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. The one word that describes government best is FORCE. That is what distinguishes it from your mom and dad, your Uncle Bob, your brother or sister and nearly any other entity, including your employer (yes, your employer can force some behaviors but he can't force you to work).
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Posted: 9/17/2009 1:03:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That is the one part of his "proposal" that I support. Here is the problem. If you don't force people who can afford health insurance to get it, then you force those with insurance to pay for those people in the form of higher hospital charges and, thus, higher premiums. This is all because of the mandate that hospitals have to treat the sick and injured regardless of their willingness or ability to pay. You can't have one without the other. My personal feeling is that those who can't or choose not to pay should have to go to charity or public hospitals, but that will never fly with the liberals. So just ger rid of that mandate, problem solved. Driving a car is not a right. In FL I do not need motorcycle insurance. The impetus is towards ALL states doing things the same. Enjoy your insurance free motorcycle experience in FL while you can. And those of you in states that do not require helmets, you too enjoy it while you can. |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 1:09:05 PM EDT
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At least in jail I'd have three hots and a cot, a library to work on my masters, a gym to get buff... and free health care! Come get me bitches! ETA: And free cable, too! And free azz stitches with that free health care after bubba gets you. |
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