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Posted: 4/7/2006 10:53:29 AM EDT

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Nixon had much higher ethcial standards
Was a lot smarter too

WOW

If Nixon was smarter did he attend Yale and get a MBA from Havard like Bush???

bush's yale grades

political ties can get you anything

our president has had a hell of a ride. 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, border security, CIA leaks, senate corruption, Homeland Security Act, etc.

I don't think we have all the information we need to make a judgment on the whole of his presidency.

Although I'm certainly less than thrilled about his performance

A couple years from now the whole truth will be known to us lowly civvies.

While Bush's grades were not the best.....they were better than Kerry

Yeah but kerry has 3 count em 3 purple hearts.

He FRAGGED HIMSELF IN THE BUTTOCKS FROM IMPROPER USE OF GRENADE! WHAT A MORON! Is that one of those purple hearts? Well, I deserve one too because I burned my hand in the Army.

Posted: 4/7/2006 10:54:36 AM EDT

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It sucks that I have to be in California this weekend, I would like to see how many hours it takes for the Internet to explode this latest Scooter fiction.

The man got arrested for purgery lying about something that NEVER HAPPENED, because he was so far outside the loop he was GUESSING what was going on...

Posted: 4/7/2006 10:57:23 AM EDT

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If the war turns out okay, he'll be regarded well by history.

If the war turns out poorly, he'll be an LBJ.

I don't have an issue with the war. It's those other things...

So you have been wiretapped, arrested and held without bail, detained without cause, tortured in a secret prison in Eastern Europe, had your library records searched....?

Or was your job given to an illegal alien? Sure have been a lot of jobs go off shore in the last 6 years We will be seeing cheap mangos tho...

Methinks you listen to way too much of the mainstream media lies. And believe about half.

The question is, under this administration, can any of those things happen to you or me?

This is the most corrupt, lying, stealing, cheating administration since Nixon. They will do ~~just about~~ anything to win. That was the Nixon administration I remember.

Remember when gas was $1.25/gal? The budget was balanced? The Demo's were in control?

Slim, you need to review your facts. The House and Senate were in REPUBLICAN CONTROL. Damn, are you only 16? BTW, gas was $.73 a gallon because of the collapse in the Asian economies thanks to George Soros selling their currencies short. With that regional depression, their fuel consumption was cut back, resulting in a world wide glut. It had NOTHING to do with the president and all to do with corrupt international speculation.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:02:28 AM EDT

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The leftist media has been bad mouthing him from day one. What results are they hoping to get from their poll?

They are hoping that Bush gets impeached, that way Cheney can take over and then Dick gets to pick the Veep. What a victory for the Democrats if that happens.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:08:57 AM EDT

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Libby's latest revelation that Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status, and Bushes earlier denial of knowing anything about it makes him a liar in my book, and not a particularly good. He could take a few lessons from Bill Clinton on how to lie in a cagey manner.

"Another one bites the dust" with apologies to Queen(?).

So you don't think that Scooter would say anything almost anything to stay out of Federal prison? You don't think that the media would then blow this possible fabrication, without any fact checking, completely out of poroportion? You obviously believe everything fed to you by the liberal media, don't you?

Do you believe everything that they say about guns, too?

It's possible scooter is lying, but at this point it would be very unwise to purjor himself under oath, I doubt he's that stupid. BUsh was not under Oath wihen he issued the denial, so he has nothing to lose but credibility, and mostly all gone now anyway. Likely scooter libby would not indirectly accuse the President of the United States of lying unless the was some evidence anyway.

Anyway, ONE of them is lying. Which one remains to be seen.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:11:43 AM EDT

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The leftist media has been bad mouthing him from day one. What results are they hoping to get from their poll?

They are hoping that Bush gets impeached, that way Cheney can take over and then Dick gets to pick the Veep. What a victory for the Democrats if that happens.

Not quite. They want Rove gone first. Then they will go after Cheney. With those two gone, they suppose Bush will be neutered and anyone he appoints will be weak.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:13:24 AM EDT

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Libby's latest revelation that Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status, and Bushes earlier denial of knowing anything about it makes him a liar in my book, and not a particularly good one.

He could take a few lessons from Bill Clinton on how to lie in a cagey manner.

Libby did NOT reveal that "Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status".
That is a lie. Prove it otherwise.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I think you owe us all an apology for lying.

He can't help lying. It's the democrat platform: LYING. Repeat a lie as many times as possible and some gullible fools will accept the lie as truth. It's pathetic.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:16:09 AM EDT

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If the war turns out okay, he'll be regarded well by history.

If the war turns out poorly, he'll be an LBJ.

I don't have an issue with the war. It's those other things...

So you have been wiretapped, arrested and held without bail, detained without cause, tortured in a secret prison in Eastern Europe, had your library records searched....?

Or was your job given to an illegal alien? Sure have been a lot of jobs go off shore in the last 6 years We will be seeing cheap mangos tho...

Methinks you listen to way too much of the mainstream media lies. And believe about half.

The question is, under this administration, can any of those things happen to you or me?

This is the most corrupt, lying, stealing, cheating administration since Nixon. They will do ~~just about~~ anything to win. That was the Nixon administration I remember.

Remember when gas was $1.25/gal? The budget was balanced? The Demo's were in control?

More pathetic democrat talking point. You would not know the truth if it came up and bit you on the ass.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:18:44 AM EDT

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Libby's latest revelation that Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status, and Bushes earlier denial of knowing anything about it makes him a liar in my book, and not a particularly good. He could take a few lessons from Bill Clinton on how to lie in a cagey manner.

"Another one bites the dust" with apologies to Queen(?).

So you don't think that Scooter would say anything almost anything to stay out of Federal prison? You don't think that the media would then blow this possible fabrication, without any fact checking, completely out of poroportion? You obviously believe everything fed to you by the liberal media, don't you?

Do you believe everything that they say about guns, too?

It's possible scooter is lying, but at this point it would be very unwise to purjor himself under oath, I doubt he's that stupid. BUsh was not under Oath wihen he issued the denial, so he has nothing to lose but credibility, and mostly all gone now anyway. Likely scooter libby would not indirectly accuse the President of the United States of lying unless the was some evidence anyway.

Anyway, ONE of them is lying. Which one remains to be seen.

Um... todays "revilation" came from transcripts entered into evidence in his PURGERY trial... it IS part of the statements he was arrested for as being untruthful and made under oath.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:22:22 AM EDT

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I just hoped for more out of this presidency. We didn't get the conservative we hoped for.

In some cases, I agree with you.

That doesn't make him Nixon.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:24:11 AM EDT

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None of these "revelations" refer to outing Plame, or illegally leaking intel.

Yet the headlines insinuate just that.
Most people are too stupid to read the actual story.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:31:46 AM EDT

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None of these "revelations" refer to outing Plame, or illegally leaking intel.

Yet the headlines insinuate just that.
Most people are too stupid to read the actual story.

Sheep only read the pre-chewed headlines.

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:37:56 AM EDT

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Libby's latest revelation that Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status, and Bushes earlier denial of knowing anything about it makes him a liar in my book, and not a particularly good. He could take a few lessons from Bill Clinton on how to lie in a cagey manner.

"Another one bites the dust" with apologies to Queen(?).

So you don't think that Scooter would say anything almost anything to stay out of Federal prison? You don't think that the media would then blow this possible fabrication, without any fact checking, completely out of poroportion? You obviously believe everything fed to you by the liberal media, don't you?

Do you believe everything that they say about guns, too?

It's possible scooter is lying, but at this point it would be very unwise to purjor himself under oath, I doubt he's that stupid. BUsh was not under Oath wihen he issued the denial, so he has nothing to lose but credibility, and mostly all gone now anyway. Likely scooter libby would not indirectly accuse the President of the United States of lying unless the was some evidence anyway.

Anyway, ONE of them is lying. Which one remains to be seen.

Um... todays "revilation" came from transcripts entered into evidence in his PURGERY trial... it IS part of the statements he was arrested for as being untruthful and made under oath.

Bush authorized leak, Libby testifies
Court papers say the president and vice president approved releasing classified prewar intelligence about Iraq.

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff testified that he was authorized by President Bush, through Cheney, in July 2003 to disclose key portions of what until then was a classified prewar intelligence estimate on Iraq, according to a new court filing.

The court documents indicate that Bush and Cheney authorized the release of the intelligence information after former Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote a July 6, 2003, op-ed piece charging that the administration's claim that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was trying to obtain uranium from Niger was false. Some intelligence agencies also disputed the White House's allegation at the time, and it later proved to be false.

According to court papers filed by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald on Wednesday, former Cheney aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby told a federal grand jury that he received "approval from the president through the vice president" to reveal key judgments of the National Intelligence Estimate in 2003 about Saddam's alleged attempts to develop weapons of mass destruction.

Those court papers said a critical conversation with former New York Times reporter Judith Miller on July 8, 2003, occurred "only after the Vice President advised defendant that the President specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the NIE."

Posted: 4/7/2006 11:47:52 AM EDT

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Bullshit.

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"Libby's latest revelation that Bush instructed him to leak Valerie Plames CIA status"

Show me where it says that.
Prove it or apologize for lying.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:06:16 PM EDT

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Nixon had much higher ethcial standards
Was a lot smarter too

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If Nixon was smarter did he attend Yale and get a MBA from Havard like Bush???

bush's yale grades

political ties can get you anything

our president has had a hell of a ride. 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, border security, CIA leaks, senate corruption, Homeland Security Act, etc.

I don't think we have all the information we need to make a judgment on the whole of his presidency.

Although I'm certainly less than thrilled about his performance

A couple years from now the whole truth will be known to us lowly civvies.

While Bush's grades were not the best.....they were better than Kerry

Yeah but kerry has 3 count em 3 purple hearts.

Yeah.
In Iraq, we called superficial wounds like those, "John Kerrys".
Wounds that require very little medical attention, and do not keep you from duty. (all of his).

That HE, an officer would use those lame scratches as a loophole to leave his men in the field, and THEN before they're even home, he bad mouths them from America.

Disgraceful.

Cincinnatus, Thank You for YOUR service to our country. sKerry is a total disgrace. he is a disgrace as an officer. he is a disgrace as a human being. I could never vote for a POS like him.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:17:37 PM EDT

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what you need to remember about the PATRIOT ACT is, that Bush will not be president forever. Do you really want HITLERY or McTraitor to have all those powers? They will likely use it to spy on people who they deem "domestic terrorists"... which might well include.... us.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:27:51 PM EDT

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Bush authorized leak, Libby testifies

Guess what? If the President authorized it, it is a release and not a leak. Silly words mean things.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:34:48 PM EDT

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I don't think of Bush as the New Nixon.

I think of him as the new FDR Light. tm.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:38:25 PM EDT

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Bush authorized leak, Libby testifies

Guess what? If the President authorized it, it is a release and not a leak. Silly words mean things.

Bullshit.

He authorized the "leak" , excuse me, the "release", for political purposes. Then he acted all shocked and angry that it had been leaked. He is a disgrace. Worse, he is a liar.

The .gov is bigger than it's ever been. Our nation is under a crushing debt. (Most of it owned by China...) And the Patriot Act is the single worst affront to OUR rights, ever!

Get your head out of your ass.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:39:36 PM EDT

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what you need to remember about the PATRIOT ACT is, that Bush will not be president forever. Do you really want HITLERY or McTraitor to have all those powers? They will likely use it to spy on people who they deem "domestic terrorists"... which might well include.... us.

Nonsense.
There is no provision in the Patriot Act that allows such a thing to occur.
Show me where in the Patriot Act there is a reference to "domestic terrorists".

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:39:36 PM EDT

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WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday declined to challenge assertions that President Bush authorized the leaks of intelligence information to counter administration critics on Iraq.

But Bush’s spokesman, Scott McClellan, appeared to draw a distinction about Bush’s oft-stated opposition to leaks.

“There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it’s in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security,” he said.

Court papers filed by the prosecutor in the CIA leak case against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby said Bush authorized Libby to disclose information from a classified prewar intelligence report. The court papers say Libby’s boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, advised him that the president had authorized Libby to leak the information to the press in striking back at administration critic Joseph Wilson.

McClellan volunteered that the administration declassified information from the intelligence report — the National Intelligence Estimate — and released it to the public on July 18, 2003. But he refused to say when the information was actually declassified.

'Officially declassified'
On July 18, 2003, McClellan said that the information had been declassified that day. “It was officially declassified today,” he told reporters in a briefing in Dallas. At the White House on Friday, McClellan interpreted his own remarks to mean that the information had been officially released to the public.

The date could be significant because Libby discussed the information with a reporter 10 days earlier, on July 8 of that year.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., citing Bush’s call two years ago to find the person who leaked the CIA identity of Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, said the latest disclosures means the president needs to go no further than a mirror.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:41:13 PM EDT

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Okay, so far the only people who have alleged that Bush leaked Plame's status are YOU, _DR and John Kerry.

Great minds think alike, huh?

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:42:52 PM EDT

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Bush authorized leak, Libby testifies

Guess what? If the President authorized it, it is a release and not a leak. Silly words mean things.

Bullshit.

He authorized the "leak" , excuse me, the "release", for political purposes. Then he acted all shocked and angry that it had been leaked. He is a disgrace. Worse, he is a liar.

The .gov is bigger than it's ever been. Our nation is under a crushing debt. (Most of it owned by China...) And the Patriot Act is the single worst affront to OUR rights, ever!

Get your head out of your ass.

...led along like a good little sheep, you obediently spread the Left's lies.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:44:27 PM EDT

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Looks like only god JC and george Bush are infallible......in your mind. Maybe thats why you chose a head of stone for an avatar

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:46:33 PM EDT

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Bush=Nixon?

Hardly.

Geez, I voted for Bush too, but what part of his administration are you proud of? Immigration? Arabs running the ports? More Nafta? The Patriot Act?

M4-AK

You didn't get the e-mail did you?

No shit the ChiComs are and will be, much better. SARCASM

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:49:29 PM EDT

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Looks like only god JC and george Bush are infallible......in your mind. Maybe thats why you chose a head of stone for an avatar

Not a big fan of history, are you?

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:51:15 PM EDT

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[b]Thank you George for making me look good. I will never abuse the new powers you have given my administration in 2008

Not a big fan of history, are you?

Not a big fan of critical thinking are you?

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:51:56 PM EDT

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Looks like only god JC and george Bush are infallible......in your mind. Maybe thats why you chose a head of stone for an avatar

Hey, you are from the state that gave us Senator "Wuss" Feingold...and you have a patently socialist governor in Doyle. I recommend working in your state to improve its suffering image. And then see if you can find someone decent that Farve can throw to. Hell, having all the cheese curds and butter burgers means nothing when you have such poor representation.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:53:48 PM EDT

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Hey, you are from the state that gave us Senator "Wuss" Feingold...and you have a patently socialist governor in Doyle. I recommend working in your state to improve its suffering image. And then see if you can find someone decent that Farve can throw to. Hell, having all the cheese curds and butter burgers means nothing when you have such poor representation.

Also a state that gave of james senssenbrenner, Uh you know the guy in the house that introduced legislation making illegals felons? Duh?

BTW
Farve is done Ive been a bears fan for 41 years

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:53:54 PM EDT

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[b]Thank you George for making me look good. I will never abuse the new powers you have given my administration in 2008

Hey, if that picture makes you feel good, continue to circle jerk to it. She might have some political power in your screwy cheese state but she has nothing in the south.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:55:42 PM EDT

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Not a big fan of critical thinking are you?

You're in college, aren't you?

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:55:49 PM EDT

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Hey, you are from the state that gave us Senator "Wuss" Feingold...and you have a patently socialist governor in Doyle. I recommend working in your state to improve its suffering image. And then see if you can find someone decent that Farve can throw to. Hell, having all the cheese curds and butter burgers means nothing when you have such poor representation.

Also a state that gave of james senssenbrenner, Uh you know the guy in the house that introduced legislation making illegals felons? Duh?

I didn't say "nuke all of Wussconsin". Just Madison, Green Bay and Milwalkee. Youse gots some good people there but the governeor and your senators have got to go.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:56:20 PM EDT

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Hey, if that picture makes you feel good, continue to circle jerk to it. She might have some political power in your screwy cheese state but she has nothing in the south.

At least shes kind of a woman, you keep fantasizing about sucking the presidents cock. And hes' a man baby!

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:58:30 PM EDT

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what you need to remember about the PATRIOT ACT is, that Bush will not be president forever. Do you really want HITLERY or McTraitor to have all those powers? They will likely use it to spy on people who they deem "domestic terrorists"... which might well include.... us.

Nonsense.
There is no provision in the Patriot Act that allows such a thing to occur.
Show me where in the Patriot Act there is a reference to "domestic terrorists".

wikipedia: patriot act

With respect to terrorism definitions, for example, section 802 of the Act created the new crime category of "domestic terrorism." According to this provision, which is found in the U.S. criminal code at 18 U.S.C. § 2331, domestic terrorism means activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

seems to me that under this definition, if 100,000 arfcommers marched through washington DC open carrying and demanding restoration of our 2nd amendment rights, then that would constitute "domestic terrorism". it fits parts A, B, and C of the above definition.

Posted: 4/7/2006 12:58:56 PM EDT

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Hey, if that picture makes you feel good, continue to circle jerk to it. She might have some political power in your screwy cheese state but she has nothing in the south.

At least shes kind of a woman, you keep fantasizing about sucking the presidents cock. And hes' a man baby!

Oh, you hurt me so bad...remember, it was you who posted the picture of the witch.

Spoken like a true Wussconsionite.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:00:18 PM EDT

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what you need to remember about the PATRIOT ACT is, that Bush will not be president forever. Do you really want HITLERY or McTraitor to have all those powers? They will likely use it to spy on people who they deem "domestic terrorists"... which might well include.... us.

Nonsense.
There is no provision in the Patriot Act that allows such a thing to occur.
Show me where in the Patriot Act there is a reference to "domestic terrorists".

wikipedia: patriot act

With respect to terrorism definitions, for example, section 802 of the Act created the new crime category of "domestic terrorism." According to this provision, which is found in the U.S. criminal code at 18 U.S.C. § 2331, domestic terrorism means activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

seems to me that under this definition, if 100,000 arfcommers marched through washington DC open carrying and demanding restoration of our 2nd amendment rights, then that would constitute "domestic terrorism". it fits parts A, B, and C of the above definition.

Uh, there is no legal open carry in DC. Nor concealed carry.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:00:19 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/7/2006 1:01:10 PM EDT

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Bush authorized leak, Libby testifies

Guess what? If the President authorized it, it is a release and not a leak. Silly words mean things.

Bullshit.

He authorized the "leak" , excuse me, the "release", for political purposes. Then he acted all shocked and angry that it had been leaked. He is a disgrace. Worse, he is a liar.

The .gov is bigger than it's ever been. Our nation is under a crushing debt. (Most of it owned by China...) And the Patriot Act is the single worst affront to OUR rights, ever!

Get your head out of your ass.

The last time I looked, Congress makes the law. If you have a problem with the Patriot Act, bitch at them. And do try not to choke on all the liberal media crap you swallow. Yo need to pull YOUR head out.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:01:32 PM EDT

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seems to me that under this definition, if 100,000 arfcommers marched through washington DC open carrying and demanding restoration of our 2nd amendment rights, then that would constitute "domestic terrorism". it fits parts A, B, and C of the above definition.

This web site can be construed as a web site of interest. how many times has the topic of goverment overthrow come up? Oh yeah if it suits the admin national security letters will be issued
and since FISA court is irrelevant now. Wiretaps will be authorised

The last time I looked, Congress makes the law. If you have a problem with the Patriot Act, bitch at them. And do try not to choke on all the liberal media crap you swallow. Yo need to pull YOUR head out.

Not according to gonsalez

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:04:12 PM EDT

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the Patriot Act is garbage and is far too open to interpretation

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domestic terrorism means activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

who decides what "appears" to be an act of domestic terrorism? Or intent?

it gives alphabet soup agencies almost unlimited power...

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:05:31 PM EDT

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[b]Thank you George for making me look good. I will never abuse the new powers you have given my administration in 2008

Not a big fan of history, are you?

Not a big fan of critical thinking are you?

I didn't know Russ Fiengold posted here. I thought he was too busy trying to ~~impeach~~ I mean censure President Bush for protecting America.

Good luck in 08 Russ

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:06:33 PM EDT

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seems to me that under this definition, if 100,000 arfcommers marched through washington DC open carrying and demanding restoration of our 2nd amendment rights, then that would constitute "domestic terrorism". it fits parts A, B, and C of the above definition.

This web site can be construed as a web site of interest. how many times has the topic of goverment overthrow come up? Oh yeah if it suits the admin national security letters will be issued
and since FISA court is irrelevant now. Wiretaps will be authorised

The last time I looked, Congress makes the law. If you have a problem with the Patriot Act, bitch at them. And do try not to choke on all the liberal media crap you swallow. Yo need to pull YOUR head out.

Not according to gonsalez

BTW, if you were informed you would know this: the head judge of the FISA court told the Congress that President Bush was entirely within his rights to intercept terrorist communications and that he had not broken any laws. Get it?

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:07:20 PM EDT

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BTW, if you were informed you would know this: the head judge of the FISA court told the Congress that President Bush was entirely within his rights to intercept terrorist communications and that he had not broken any laws. Get it?

Don't confuse the leftard with facts!

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:08:39 PM EDT

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what you need to remember about the PATRIOT ACT is, that Bush will not be president forever. Do you really want HITLERY or McTraitor to have all those powers? They will likely use it to spy on people who they deem "domestic terrorists"... which might well include.... us.

Nonsense.
There is no provision in the Patriot Act that allows such a thing to occur.
Show me where in the Patriot Act there is a reference to "domestic terrorists".

wikipedia: patriot act

With respect to terrorism definitions, for example, section 802 of the Act created the new crime category of "domestic terrorism." According to this provision, which is found in the U.S. criminal code at 18 U.S.C. § 2331, domestic terrorism means activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

seems to me that under this definition, if 100,000 arfcommers marched through washington DC open carrying and demanding restoration of our 2nd amendment rights, then that would constitute "domestic terrorism". it fits parts A, B, and C of the above definition.

Uh, there is no legal open carry in DC. Nor concealed carry.

thats my POINT. thats why such an action would fit under rule A. so instead of simply being arrested for illegal open carry in DC, said arfcommers could be charged with DOMESTIC TERRORISM. under the definition of "domestic terrorism" above, if you commit an illegal action (such as open carrying in DC) while attempting to influence government policy (such as having a march or a protest), you fit under the definition of a DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:08:56 PM EDT

[#45]

I need to wash the dishes before the Wifo-terrorist gets home.
You can use this as an opportunity to call me a
DU Troll
Libtard
Cyanide
Someones Alter Ego
Or you can check out a True Patriot
RON PAUL!

You Bush Apologists' get my sympathy. There is a deliniation when ignorance is just pure stupidity. And every day you defend the Chimp is another day you get closer to crossing that line.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:11:48 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Someones Alter Ego

Bingo.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:13:27 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
BTW, if you were informed you would know this: the head judge of the FISA court told the Congress that President Bush was entirely within his rights to intercept terrorist communications and that he had not broken any laws. Get it?

In a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the secretive court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, several former judges who served on the panel also voiced skepticism at a Senate hearing about the president's constitutional authority to order wiretapping on Americans without a court order. They also suggested that the program could imperil criminal prosecutions that grew out of the wiretaps.

Judge Harold A. Baker, a sitting federal judge in Illinois who served on the intelligence court until last year, said the president was bound by the law "like everyone else." If a law like the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is duly enacted by Congress and considered constitutional, Judge Baker said, "the president ignores it at the president's peril."

Um yeah I got it

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:16:26 PM EDT

[#48]

FISA Judge: Bush Wiretapping Broke No Law

In a significant vindication for President Bush, a judge who co-authored the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act said Tuesday that the president was duly authorized under the Constitution to order the wiretapping of suspected terrorists - without getting a warrant from the FISA Court.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:17:42 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Or you can check out a True Patriot
RON PAUL!

+1. that man deserves to be president.

Posted: 4/7/2006 1:20:48 PM EDT

[#50]

Testifying along with four other former FISA Court judges, Judge Kornblum suggested that it would have been irresponsible for Bush to have deferred to the FISA Court..........
On the same concept of inherent constitutional authority, the Associated Press quoted Kornblum as saying: "I am very wary of inherent authority . . . It sounds very much like King George."

Yeah sounds like hes on board

On December 20, 2005, Judge James Robertson, a Clinton appointee and one of the 11 members of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, created by the 1978 FISA, sent Chief Justice John Roberts a letter in which he resigned from the FISC. The letter gave no reason for Robertson's decision to resign. U.S. District Judge Dee Benson of Utah, also of the FISC, stated that he was unclear on why the FISC's emergency authority would not meet the administration's stated "need to move quickly", according to a report. He and fellow judges on the court attended a secret briefing in January, called by presiding Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly. [74] Since only she and her predecessor had been secretly briefed on the program, the rest of the court had presumably been learning about the Bush Administration's warrantless surveillance policy through press accounts. (Judge Kollar-Kotelly had begun lobbying the administation for a briefing disclosing the administration's position on their authority to conduct warrantless wiretapping after Judge Robertson's resignation.) [75] Reportedly, the court was also concerned about "whether the administration had misled their court about its sources of information on possible terrorism suspects . . . [as this] could taint the integrity of the court's work." [76] On February 9, 2006, it was reported that the FISA court presiding judge was twice warned by a senior DOJ lawyer that information uncovered by the NSA program may have been improperly used to obtain FISA wiretap warrants. [77]

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