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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:39:54 AM EDT
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They found thsi in the van!
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:43:36 AM EDT
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Anyone else think that Moose looks scared?
For the last two days, since they received the message, Moose has looked terrified while giving the press release... No? --LS |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:46:21 AM EDT
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Did anyone else notice the little decal on the back window?
Looked a lot like: [img]http://www.theodora.com/gif2/mx-ms.gif[/img] (flag of Mexico) |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:47:15 AM EDT
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Garand_shooter, where can you get one of those pistols? I know a couple of guys who will have that on their Christmas list and I want to know where to get one.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:47:16 AM EDT
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Or the "scout" of the team and shooter is still there.
But yes they reported that they rec'd a call and that the call came from that phone and that the person on the phone, who was arrested, had made that call. Hmmmmmmmm............ |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:47:55 AM EDT
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For those who do not have the live feed....Eyewitness from the live broadcast said that the guy in custody is not white nor black...He is Hispanic. The phone made from that phone boot is relevant to the case. This got to be him.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:49:03 AM EDT
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Maybe he's one of those Mexicans that's gonna take back the South! And he got lost!
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:53:05 AM EDT
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I have always maintained the theory that the white van was a decoy. He was an partner that would wait for the shot then take of and make a scence and that is what everyone saw while in the meantime the shooter slips away?
Who knows? Keep us posted as I get better reports here than from anywhere else. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:55:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone else think that Moose looks scared? For the last two days, since they received the message, Moose has looked terrified while giving the press release... No? --LS Definitely appears concerned/worried. More so than usual. Like his ship's been sunk. 'Course he hasn't been around too much either. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:56:01 AM EDT
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CNN says a second suspect has been taken into custody "elsewhere". But they're still not confirming anything.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:56:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone else think that Moose looks scared? For the last two days, since they received the message, Moose has looked terrified while giving the press release... Scared? No, but he looks like someone who is bewildered, and in WAY over his head. -Gloftoe |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:58:02 AM EDT
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Apparantly someone was just escorted out of the Citgo station across the street from the Exxon. Also, FBI and local police have a house surrounded in Chesterfield County (suburb of Richmond).
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Posted: 10/21/2002 6:58:34 AM EDT
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Did the suspects WANT to surrender, and this is how they set it up??
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:02:18 AM EDT
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Fox News just interviewed someone who had a set of binoculars and was watching the arrest. Said the van had VA 30-Day Temporary License and an NRA sticker on the bumper...
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:14:31 AM EDT
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per Fox news:
the van had an NRA sticker and something about the three amigos?? |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:20:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: per Fox news: the van had an NRA sticker and something about the three amigos?? Notice the guy felt compelled to mention the NRA bumper sticker but not the Mexican flag? It was a newly purchased vehicle (as denoted by the temp tags), the bumper stickers looked old enough to be from the previous owner. ... re: the three amigos thing: That was the car dealership that sold it to the new owner. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:23:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: per Fox news: the van had an NRA sticker and something about the three amigos?? Soooo... When the Liberals start in with their inevitable [b]"the Sniper-Supported NRA wants to keep 'assault rifles' and sniper guns on the street"[/b] bullsh!t, we should talk about how [b]"the Murdering-Mexicans want even MORE Homicidal-Hispanics to flood across our border!!"[/b]?? |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:27:00 AM EDT
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As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:28:10 AM EDT
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A team of Mexican killers? This is totally from left field.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:30:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica. Oh Lord.....Here we go.....We are going to get beat up left and right. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:39:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica. Oh Lord.....Here we go.....We are going to get beat up left and right. [b]PANSIES!!![/b] GO ON THE OFFENSE!! The NRA bumpersticker was old - from the previous owner. And like I said: When the Liberals start talking their "Guilt-by-association" shit, we should talk about how "these Murderous-Mexicans want even MORE Homicidal-Hispanics to flood across our border!!"?? Counter their BULLSHIT with [u]FACTS[/u] [b]AND[/b] demonstrate how ABSURD their tactics are!! DON'T COWER NOW!!! |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:44:05 AM EDT
[#22]
what if they are illegals?
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:44:26 AM EDT
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OK, I just saw pictures of the rear of the van(post them later if I can). There is a BUSH/CHENEY bumper sticker. There is a "Viva Mexico" bumper sticker. There is NOT any NRA bumper sticker on that van.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:45:16 AM EDT
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House in Chesterfield now reported to be something totally unrelated.
This is wierd, and I bet they don't even have the right guy. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:46:56 AM EDT
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The witness also said he saw a National Rifle Association bumper sticker on the van, and a dealer nameplate from a "Three Amigos Auto Sales."
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:47:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: OK, I just saw pictures of the rear of the van(post them later if I can). There is a BUSH/CHENEY bumper sticker. There is a "Viva Mexico" bumper sticker. There is NOT any NRA bumper sticker on that van. No bumper sticker, but there is a round NRA sticker in the upper left of the rear window. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:49:36 AM EDT
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If these guys are Mexicans, I'll be flabbergasted.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 7:54:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica. Oh Lord.....Here we go.....We are going to get beat up left and right. [b]PANSIES!!![/b] GO ON THE OFFENSE!! The NRA bumpersticker was old - from the previous owner. And like I said: When the Liberals start talking their "Guilt-by-association" shit, we should talk about how "these Murderous-Mexicans want even MORE Homicidal-Hispanics to flood across our border!!"?? Counter their BULLSHIT with [u]FACTS[/u] [b]AND[/b] demonstrate how ABSURD their tactics are!! DON'T COWER NOW!!! AMEN! "REALLY? Wow, I guess we have to start profiling anyone who uses a payphone!" "REALLY? Gee, I guess we better get tire-print fingerprinting programs set up in Deteroit ASAP!" "REALLY? Gee, maybe he's just some idiot who knows the anti-guns fanatics would salivate over this detail while ignoring the fact that twelve people had been shot. Anything for the cause!" "REALLY? I guess we should incarcerate Al Gore since his book was found in the Unabomber's cabin!" etc., etc.... Hit back and HIT HARD! |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:01:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: AMEN! "REALLY? Wow, I guess we have to start profiling anyone who uses a payphone!" "REALLY? Gee, I guess we better get tire-print fingerprinting programs set up in Deteroit ASAP!" "REALLY? Gee, maybe he's just some idiot who knows the anti-guns fanatics would salivate over this detail while ignoring the fact that twelve people had been shot. Anything for the cause!" "REALLY? I guess we should incarcerate Al Gore since his book was found in the Unabomber's cabin!" etc., etc.... Hit back and HIT HARD! How about "Really? Wow! That car was recently bought and still had temporary tags. Those stickers were from the previous owner." -Gloftoe |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:01:54 AM EDT
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CNN (yes I know, I hate CNN to.) Is reporting that they have TWO subjects in custody.
Does anybody remember Padilla the dirty bombing suspect from a while back? He was Hispanic. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:03:35 AM EDT
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If you will remember the last "normal" political agenda that Pres. Bush had (the day or two before 11 SEP) was giving some sort of amnesty for illegal Mexican immigrants. I'm sure this was all put on the back burner since the SHTF.
Perhaps an unhappy illegal..... |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:04:53 AM EDT
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less than an hour later, investigators issued a statement suggesting the man was not the gunman terrorizing the Washington, D.C., area. And a source close to the case told NBC’s David Bloom that the sniper was not in custody.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:09:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: OK, I just saw pictures of the rear of the van(post them later if I can). There is a BUSH/CHENEY bumper sticker. There is a "Viva Mexico" bumper sticker. There is NOT any NRA bumper sticker on that van. No bumper sticker, but there is a round NRA sticker in the upper left of the rear window. I would suggest looking again. I can't make out the writing on the outer edge but that sticker has a white border with blue and red in the center. There is also a white oblong in the center of the sticker. - Maybe a Grateful Dead sticker?? |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:11:02 AM EDT
[#34]
FOX is now saying that two people are in custody...
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:13:06 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica. Oh Lord.....Here we go.....We are going to get beat up left and right. [b]PANSIES!!![/b] GO ON THE OFFENSE!! The NRA bumpersticker was old - from the previous owner. And like I said: When the Liberals start talking their "Guilt-by-association" shit, we should talk about how "these Murderous-Mexicans want even MORE Homicidal-Hispanics to flood across our border!!"?? Counter their BULLSHIT with [u]FACTS[/u] [b]AND[/b] demonstrate how ABSURD their tactics are!! DON'T COWER NOW!!! Mac is right! Guilt by association only works IF we let it! Don't give up...don't waffle...and fight back! [pissed] |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:23:27 AM EDT
[#36]
I'm telling you. If they are running around arresting multiple suspects and already have two in custody, then this is terrorism.
The fact that they have two in custody screams terrorist cell. I'm not very fond of secret police operations, believing as I do that the American people have a right to know what the heck is going on, Moose needs to answer some darn questions at this press confrence in the next hour. Because I'm starting to smell a goverment cover up of the fact that this is terrorism. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:26:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Mac is right! Guilt by association only works IF we let it! Don't give up...don't waffle...and fight back! [pissed] I REPEAT ... That sticker has a white border, the center is divided into three quadrants with blue, red and white fill. I can not read the writing but it is NOT the classic NRA sticker with a gold border outside a black border outside a red center with an eagle. Don't get your panties in a wad. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:38:30 AM EDT
[#38]
It sure does not look like an NRA sticker to me.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:45:59 AM EDT
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At least they weren't wearing AR 15.com polo's.
Seriously, I doubt these two have anything to do with the shootings. Lebrew |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:47:07 AM EDT
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[url=http://store.nrahq.org/nra/dept.asp?dept_id=221]NRA Stickers[/url]
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:51:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Something ain't right here folks.......
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 8:57:06 AM EDT
[#42]
If this is not him/them then expect a shooting in the next few hours or so. Most certainly before tomorrow.
This guy/guys did not let the wounded Marine take the blame the first time, and if it's not them this time they will kill again by the end of today. Ed |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:01:11 AM EDT
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The only decal on the back of the impounded white Plymouth van that I could make out was the National Flag of Mexico, in a waved fashion.
It was located at the extreme lower driver's side of the rear window. It [u]may[/u] be a symbol of pride, or simply an official tag, if the vehicle had been registered in Mexico at some time in the past. The flag does bear an eagle perched on a cactus in the center (white) stripe part of the flag. Eric The(ItUsedToSaySimply'1824')Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:08:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Something ain't right here folks....... Sgtar15 ... I agree, it stinks. Feels like the authorities are being played. Boxing shadows so to speak. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:08:39 AM EDT
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Didn't notice any NRA sticker, but there was a Mexican flag sticker in the left rear window and a BUSH / CHENEY 2000 election sticker on the bumper. No shit. It was clearly visible when the police tape was blowing up and down in the wind right before they towed the minivan away.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:09:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As soon as I heard about the NRA sticker, my heart sank. If this is indeed connected, that sticker is going to get played worse than Bill did Monica. Oh Lord.....Here we go.....We are going to get beat up left and right. [b]PANSIES!!![/b] GO ON THE OFFENSE!! The NRA bumpersticker was old - from the previous owner. And like I said: When the Liberals start talking their "Guilt-by-association" shit, we should talk about how "these Murderous-Mexicans want even MORE Homicidal-Hispanics to flood across our border!!"?? Counter their BULLSHIT with [u]FACTS[/u] [b]AND[/b] demonstrate how ABSURD their tactics are!! DON'T COWER NOW!!! And exactly what part of my words said that I was going to cower?? NONE! I was mearly stating what the left was going to do with something like that. Period. I said NOTHING about not fighting back at ALL! I am about as far from a PANSIE as you will ever meet when it comes to fighting this kind of BS. I dont always spout it on here because I dont see the point in preaching to the choir. I tend to preach it in the other direction. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:11:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Something ain't right here folks....... Sgtar15 I'm with you. Obviously we've been kept in the dark about a lot of things. I'm not complaining - that's how investigations go. But I'm not liking the look of this at all! |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:11:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Something ain't right here folks....... Sgtar15 My thoughts as well. |
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:13:19 AM EDT
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just started getting a newsfeed from the command post. Looks like the 1pm news conference is about to begin.
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Posted: 10/21/2002 9:16:23 AM EDT
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I know exactly what you mean. It's as though this truly is a terrorist act but is being made to look like the work of a lone individual, despite the clear fact that more than one person is involved.
Cops love to charge people with conspiracy. The legal definition of conspiracy is two or more people colluding to commit a crime. Here is a conspiracy--not the wild kind from websites, but a legally defined one. What is this group's agenda? They must have one, it's too sophisticated and carefully planned to be just a random bunch of thrill kills from two or three people who don't give a damn. If there were robberies being committed or other property crimes, it would make sense, but no group I can think of has ever gone on a killing spree except maybe the Indians back in the 18th and 19th centuries. |
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