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Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:31:38 PM EST
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The Afghan government now has no control over 40% of the country and tenuous control over much more. The Taliban is winning and the US needs to decide if that is acceptable. If it is acceptable then just quit now and take the lumps that go along with it.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:31:39 PM EST
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Hopefully his instructions are to flat out destroy with malice every last one of them.  

Without ROE like handcuffs, 4K of the right guys could put us in a place to finally exit.

Lets hope and be safe to all.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:33:07 PM EST
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Hopefully his instructions are to flat out destroy with malice every last one of them.  

Without ROE like handcuffs, 4K of the right guys could put us in a place to finally exit.

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4K of the right guys couldn't cover RC East, much less put us in a place to exit.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:33:29 PM EST
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Hmmmm.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:34:04 PM EST
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ugh, we need to start collecting taxes from them at this point
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:34:43 PM EST
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They are multiple generations over there who have been killing outsiders since Alexander the Great. They are doing God's work every time they kill one of us or get killed in the process. We can't outlast that mindset.
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And if we did, then we'd just end up having to go back in a year or two.

I don't like this any more than any of the rest of you guys, but quitting just isn't an option. We've gotta outlast these assholes.
They are multiple generations over there who have been killing outsiders since Alexander the Great. They are doing God's work every time they kill one of us or get killed in the process. We can't outlast that mindset.
Then kill them back, because that's the only thing those motherfuckers understand.

Leave and the muj then claims "victory" and they then become further emboldened.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:34:44 PM EST
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Can see both sides.

Would love to see our guys come home.

Understand maybe there are important things being done against terrorism, and our troops need more support.

Happy Mattis is advising, and I will trust him.
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Conventional troops no longer belong in Afghanistan. They keep thinking in terms of winning territory, instead of winning the human side of things. There is a new Commander of the Afghanistan Mission, like every 18 months. There is no continuity, new Ground level come and go all the time. Nobody stays around long enough to build lasting relationships.

I don't trust Mattie's if he sides with Conventional Commanders. This should be a Special Operations mission. With some Infantry supporting SOF groups.

Here is a GREAT video about Afghanistan:

Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:35:38 PM EST
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Thanks for putting it into perspective for me.  Wish no harm to our own.

Just trying to stay positive.

If it were possible it would be great to finally watch some US helmet can vids where nobody is on a radio asking for fucking permission or waiting to be shot at first for fucks sake.

Judge, Jury........................Done
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:38:37 PM EST
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Trump will likely delegate the conduct of the war to his generals instead of a bunch of leftist lawyers.  If the generals want to win, the ROE will be conducive to victory.  If Trump's senior officers are leftovers from Obama's era of surrender, then good luck with winning anything.....
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:40:15 PM EST
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As another poster said in a similar thread a while ago either measure against the linchpin or get the fuck out.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:43:11 PM EST
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Troops needed in Pakistan not Afghanistan. Go where the threat is hiding.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:46:39 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:47:29 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
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I love you.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:47:36 PM EST
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I have mixed feelings about it. We had issues with the ROE when I was there.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:49:40 PM EST
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Then kill them back, because that's the only thing those motherfuckers understand.

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The only way to kill enough of them would be to kill every last male over five years old, destroy every last mosque and madrassa, burn every last copy of the Koran, and colonize the place. We don't have the stones to do that.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:50:45 PM EST
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Dumb.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:51:20 PM EST
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It's truly amazing that even after 16 years of fighting, many still do not get it...

1) Bin Laden was hoping that 9/11 would trigger US to come fight on their turf. He knew he could grind down US with war of attrition, just like the Soviets. He succeeded at that.

2) Afghans are not unified people.  They are group of tribal peoples that do not particularly like each other.  They are only as unified as their common Western enemy on their soil. One all those are gone they go back to killing each other.

3) There is no path to victory.  Afghans say "Westerners might have the clocks but we have the time".

4) When their people fight , they are ready to meet their maker. When our people right, they are ready to go back to civilization.

5)  Containment via aerial interventions is the only plausibly viable solution.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:53:47 PM EST
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A sad move.

Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:55:18 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
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How many more do we need to kill to win?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:56:36 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
How many more do we need to kill to win?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:57:23 PM EST
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It's truly amazing that even after 16 years of fighting, many still do not get it...

1) Bin Laden was hoping that 9/11 would trigger US to come fight on their turf. He knew he could grind down US with war of attrition, just like the Soviets. He succeeded at that.

2) Afghans are not unified people.  They are group of tribal peoples that do not particularly like each other.  They are only as unified as their common Western enemy on their soil. One all those are gone they go back to killing each other.

3) There is no path to victory.  Afghans say "Westerners might have the clocks but we have the time".

4) When their people fight , they are ready to meet their maker. When our people right, they are ready to go back to civilization.

5)  Containment via aerial interventions is the only plausibly viable solution.
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The British tried to civilize Afghanistan. They failed.
The Soviets tried brute force to bring the place to heel. They failed.
We've tried the Hearts and Minds approach to bring the country to stability. We've failed.

But if we just keep doing what we've been doing, we're assured of peace any day now.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:58:22 PM EST
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SO BANNON WASNT THE LEAK?


1Samuel 15:3
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:59:29 PM EST
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It's official. Bannon and every other nationalist gone. Him tweeting praising Antifa. And now this.

Looks like the globalists successfully beat him down
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Lol
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 6:59:39 PM EST
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Pretty much that right there.  Need Bellum Romanum if we really expect to change the mindset.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:03:27 PM EST
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I don't mind going back, no one is being forced to join the military just to be sent to Afghanistan.

Granted the ROE could be a bit better, and motives be a bit more clear but everyone that is being sent there knows that they will be sent there yet they still join.

Perhaps we'll be out of there completely before I retire, maybe not. (3 more years!)
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:12:51 PM EST
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And if we did, then we'd just end up having to go back in a year or two.

I don't like this any more than any of the rest of you guys, but quitting just isn't an option. We've gotta outlast these assholes.
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Disappointing if true.

We need to Come home.
And if we did, then we'd just end up having to go back in a year or two.

I don't like this any more than any of the rest of you guys, but quitting just isn't an option. We've gotta outlast these assholes.
This. This on so many levels.

We can't just leave.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:16:35 PM EST
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Napalm every inch of the poppy fields and then hit them with the strongest most lethal herbicide we have on the way out. Fuck the locals that rely on opium for income. They can learn how to farm corn and sell on the open markets and get ethanol subsidies.

Or starve.

I'm good either way.
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19 May 2017 - The total area under opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan is expanding, leading to a significant increase in its production, according to the latest survey report released today by UNODC.
The report reveals that the total cultivation area in Afghanistan increased by 10 per cent from 183,000 to 201,000 hectares compared to the previous year. Similarly, potential opium production saw 43 per cent increase, reaching 4,800 tons in 2016.
Napalm every inch of the poppy fields and then hit them with the strongest most lethal herbicide we have on the way out. Fuck the locals that rely on opium for income. They can learn how to farm corn and sell on the open markets and get ethanol subsidies.

Or starve.

I'm good either way.
Yes, alienate the population and kill their crops that have nothing to do with our purpose there. 

Why, what a bright way to win and build the trust of the locals!
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:16:35 PM EST
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Well played sir. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:17:27 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
How many more do we need to kill to win?
Lots of 'em, apparently, but that's only possible when you have a CiC committed to victory.  Imagine that....

"Victory" in Afghanistan is a stable, minimally corrupt government that enjoys the support and trust of the people, the military, and other organs of gov't such as LE, and that takes years to build.

Years.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:18:46 PM EST
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4k, is that one of the new faggotty two infantry battalion BCTs the Army went to?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:19:56 PM EST
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And if we did, then we'd just end up having to go back in a year or two.

I don't like this any more than any of the rest of you guys, but quitting just isn't an option. We've gotta outlast these assholes.
impossible to achieve
We agree upon something? I need to go get my head examined.

The Arfcommer with the plan on cutting a deal with the Taliban to allow them to govern the majority of the country, but without Arab or outside influence is probably the best. The country is overwhelmingly reliant upon welfare. If we catch them harboring Arabs, we MOAB them some more and cut off international aid.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:21:38 PM EST
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When can we leave, and how will we get there?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:22:14 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:22:22 PM EST
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I suspect one of the SF Groups with a GSB.  

Pure speculation on my part.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:23:33 PM EST
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Because they're on our side now?

If we're going to pull out, let's at least hit the international drug trade while we're at it. Might as well get something out of this 16+ year long endeavor.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:24:56 PM EST
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This. This on so many levels.

We can't just leave.
When can we leave, and how will we get there?
When did we leave Germany? Japan? England?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:25:15 PM EST
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Lots of 'em, apparently, but that's only possible when you have a CiC committed to victory.  Imagine that....

"Victory" in Afghanistan is a stable, minimally corrupt government that enjoys the support and trust of the people, the military, and other organs of gov't such as LE, and that takes years to build.

Years.
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So now we're at a multi-generational US project.

We'll win...someday.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:26:41 PM EST
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But it's Priebus!! No wait totally Bannon!! No wait who's next?!
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More leaks.....  Can't even make it to 9PM EST to tell us himself before someone leaks it.
But it's Priebus!! No wait totally Bannon!! No wait who's next?!
There's our local commie/socialist Bernie bot

You would probably encourage people like Edward Snowden or anyone else that would do harm to our country
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:26:44 PM EST
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Because they're on our side now?

If we're going to pull out, let's at least hit the international drug trade while we're at it. Might as well get something out of this 16+ year long endeavor.
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Yes, alienate the population and kill their crops that have nothing to do with our purpose there. 

Why, what a bright way to win and build the trust of the locals!
Because they're on our side now?

If we're going to pull out, let's at least hit the international drug trade while we're at it. Might as well get something out of this 16+ year long endeavor.
Gotcha, so piss off indifferent locals growing opium, and then "hit the international drug trade" (which this war isn't about), and you know what you'll get out of that? More ISIS and Taliban recruits.

Genius idea.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:27:49 PM EST
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
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I think there's a difference between 'defeatist surrender monkey' and 'GTFO because fuck them.'

I'm not military.  I'm not going to ever pretend that I know what the military does or why they do it.  I don't have a 'military mindset', if you will.

Something I've noticed on here and always been curious by is that anyone that is/was military is usually pro-intervention while anyone that isn't military is usually pro-isolation.

If I were the US President I'd make two announcements right away:

1) We're leaving / abandoning our bases everywhere except South Korea.

2) We're taking all of that money and investing it back into a new generation of B2 and ballistic missiles just in case anyone wants to test our mettle. 

Is that 'surrender monkey?'  Maybe it is. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:28:50 PM EST
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And holy shit have the liberals pervaded this website. Unreal.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:28:51 PM EST
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What is this war about? We went in there because the Taliban wouldn't give up OBL. We removed them, we got him, so why are we still there and when do we get to stop being there?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:30:36 PM EST
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WASHINGTON — President Trump has given Defense Secretary Jim Mattis the authority to determine troop levels in Afghanistan

Mr. Mattis is believed to favor sending several thousand more American troops to strengthen the effort to advise Afghan forces as they push back against gains made by the Taliban, the Islamic State and other militant groups. But officials said he had not yet decided how many more forces to send to Afghanistan, or when to deploy them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/asia/mattis-afghanistan-military.html?mcubz=3

Mattis doesn't know shit I suppose, Trump should have checked on GD first.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:30:37 PM EST
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I think there's a difference between 'defeatist surrender monkey' and 'GTFO because fuck them.'

I'm not military.  I'm not going to ever pretend that I know what the military does or why they do it.  I don't have a 'military mindset', if you will.

Something I've noticed on here and always been curious by is that anyone that is/was military is usually pro-intervention while anyone that isn't military is usually pro-isolation.

If I were the US President I'd make two announcements right away:

1) We're leaving / abandoning our bases everywhere except South Korea.

2) We're taking all of that money and investing it back into a new generation of B2 and ballistic missiles just in case anyone wants to test our mettle. 

Is that 'surrender monkey?'  Maybe it is. 
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Interesting thread.

America suffers the largest loss of life on American soil since Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001 with upwards of 3,000 killed, and the decision to take the fight to Al Qaeda by fighting them in Afghanistan in response is that of a "globalist".

GD is full of hipster leftard defeatist surrender monkeys, and every one of you peacenik fuckbags make me want to throw the fuck up.
I think there's a difference between 'defeatist surrender monkey' and 'GTFO because fuck them.'

I'm not military.  I'm not going to ever pretend that I know what the military does or why they do it.  I don't have a 'military mindset', if you will.

Something I've noticed on here and always been curious by is that anyone that is/was military is usually pro-intervention while anyone that isn't military is usually pro-isolation.

If I were the US President I'd make two announcements right away:

1) We're leaving / abandoning our bases everywhere except South Korea.

2) We're taking all of that money and investing it back into a new generation of B2 and ballistic missiles just in case anyone wants to test our mettle. 

Is that 'surrender monkey?'  Maybe it is. 
No. It's a narrow minded, simplistic approach to a complex problem.

Pretty much what zero did for 8 years. How did that work out?
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If it's liberal to ask "when does that war end? What are the victory conditions and how many more tax dollars and dead troops is that worth?" then I guess I'm a liberal, because right now there is no end in sight and the kids who were newborns on 9/11 are about to start college.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:31:36 PM EST
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you are comparing afghanistan to countries that actually welcome our presence?
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:32:42 PM EST
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We'll win...someday.
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Lots of 'em, apparently, but that's only possible when you have a CiC committed to victory.  Imagine that....

"Victory" in Afghanistan is a stable, minimally corrupt government that enjoys the support and trust of the people, the military, and other organs of gov't such as LE, and that takes years to build.

Years.
So now we're at a multi-generational US project.

We'll win...someday.
Yes.  What do you expect?  Bail because feelz and "hope" everything's kosher down the road?  

That doesn't brief well when POTUS wants real, concrete answers to foreign policy or strategy questions.  Turning your back on a problem hardly ever ends well.

Afghanistan will be this generation's Germany / Japan / Sous Korea.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 7:33:13 PM EST
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Apparently Mr Conservative Pence is a cockgobbling globalist who came back from South America ahead of schedule. Gen Mcamasterleaker blocked Erik Prince from attending the meeting to present a PMC based plan.
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I think there's a difference between 'defeatist surrender monkey' and 'GTFO because fuck them.'

I'm not military.  I'm not going to ever pretend that I know what the military does or why they do it.  I don't have a 'military mindset', if you will.

Something I've noticed on here and always been curious by is that anyone that is/was military is usually pro-intervention while anyone that isn't military is usually pro-isolation.

If I were the US President I'd make two announcements right away:

1) We're leaving / abandoning our bases everywhere except South Korea.

2) We're taking all of that money and investing it back into a new generation of B2 and ballistic missiles just in case anyone wants to test our mettle. 

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Shut down all the oconus bases besides SK?

Because fuck force projection right?

Wrong
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And if we did, then we'd just end up having to go back in a year or two.

I don't like this any more than any of the rest of you guys, but quitting just isn't an option. We've gotta outlast these assholes.
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This.  Unless your plan is to kill every male over the age of 5 you are not going to "outlast them"
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