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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:56:03 AM EDT
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If I were Eric at Ammoman, I'd simply say send it back...refund your money and BAN YOU FOREVER.
What a whore you are...Eric is one of the nicest guys in this business and you come on here and smear them rather than just shoot him a note. You should be raped with a tree branch (see Drudgereport for complete story) EDIT TO ADD I got pg 3 bishes!!! 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:56:38 AM EDT
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Anyone want to buy a preban Colt Govt Carbine cheap? Its really a postban Bushmaster XM15E2S, but it will work just the same.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:58:37 AM EDT
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How much? 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:58:51 AM EDT
[#4]
kind of like picking the fly shit out of the pepper
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:59:57 AM EDT
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[Strudle54] MY PU$$Y HURTS![/strudle54]
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:00:51 PM EDT
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BZZZT. Another crappy example. That would be a MATERIAL difference. It would be a difference that would undermine the underlying financial exchange. Four months difference on blister packed surplus ammo, where there is not even a scintilla of evidence to indicate Ammoman knew any differently is simply not material. Try again. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:01:23 PM EDT
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Funny you should mention "Attention Whore" as I was thinking the same thing!  Some companies even throw out the "In an effort to continually improve our XXXXX, we reserve the right to improve/change without notification."  Although that might not fit this case here!  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:02:00 PM EDT
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I bought this rifle from AR15fan that was supposed to be a pre-ban COLT, but it was a post-ban Bushmaster. I haven't contacted him yet, but I thought I'd just post this in the EE feedback forum to see if he has fucked anyone else like this before. I'm going to contact him ASAP though. 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:04:34 PM EDT
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Some people just don't get it.  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:10:09 PM EDT
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"Much Ado About Nothing". This could have been an un-funny episode on "Seinfield" too, another show about nothing. I know for a fact that ammoman responded to my one and only e-mail question. edit [comicbookguy]Now you've done it. I'll have to go back and check all the headstamps on my Q3131A. Thanks a lot!![/comicbookguy] |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:15:55 PM EDT
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no problem that's my motto "if it ain't absurd AND extreme it's crap" |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:20:29 PM EDT
[#12]
 Replace "post" with "Thread" The point is so moot it isn't funny. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:22:35 PM EDT
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IMO the point here is that Strudle54 is technically correct, in that what he recieved was not precisely as advertised - even though it was functionally equivalent.
But, it is also fair to observe that his post about it, with a title that suggests (or at least implies) wrongdoing or fraud by ammoman - before even contacting ammoman about it, could have been done better. I agree with others that a thread with this title and worded the way it was, is only really apporpriate AFTER contacting the seller, not before. If he was just interested in people's thought about it, I think there were a variety of ways to ask people their opinion about this - that didn't necessitate a title like the thread has. In that case, it would be entirely appropriate to do so BEFORE contacting ammoman, because part of the thread might have been asking peoples' opinion about whether there's a difference btw. late 89 and 90, whether other think this rises to the point of "false" or "misleading" advertising, and whether or not he should contact ammoman. That would have been fine - I think what rubbed people the wrong way is a strong STATEMENT that ammoman mis-advertised his product. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:23:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Macman, perhaps you meant this one?
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:24:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Exactly. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:31:43 PM EDT
[#16]
Maybe I'm missing something... I didn't see the word fraud anywhere in the initial thread title or post...
Correct me if I'm wrong but the title says that the ammo was not as stated. In my view, that is a declarative statement that is objectively verifiable. If it is true that the ammo is advertised in such and such a way and it is true that that it is not as advertised I don't see a problem with the thread or the title. Based on the nonsense contained in so many threads on this board, I wonder what makes people think this is an alarmist or "smear" thread. Most of the tripe spouted around here is FAR more alarmist and most of the smearing engaged in by many of the members is entirely perspective based. That sort of worthless garbage persists without comment and I therefore am totally perplexed at the vicious attacks leveled at the thread poster here.... oh wait...no I'm not. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:44:48 PM EDT
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Bob |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:50:55 PM EDT
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Who cares, just shoot it. He probably slipped up. People make mistakes.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:54:23 PM EDT
[#19]
You owe me a new keyboard you bastard! 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:57:12 PM EDT
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I'm not at all. There are some scared cows on AR15.com. Advertisers in general, but Eric more than most becuase he's a genuinely good guy. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Strudle did ask if anyone has ordered the 90's production and got the 89 batch. So far none of you bashing him has even answered his question.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:02:32 PM EDT
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ALL RIGHT...Its time for me to step in an handle this situation, once and for all...
I am an official ammo tester, and value appraiser. Send me the ammo in question, and I will test it to see if any there have been any un-savory shennanigans perpertrated. In order for an accurate appraisal, you will have to send all of the ammo to me, and after I have tested every round...I will let you know if you have been ripped off. NOTE: this testing is sometimes a lengthy affair, and may take several months to complete. Ill be watching for the UPS man. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:03:20 PM EDT
[#23]
If Botach had sent him a product that was not as advertised everyone would be bashing Botach for three pages.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:07:12 PM EDT
[#24]
No, Im pretty sure at least someone would have asked: "Have you contacted Botach?" |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:09:23 PM EDT
[#25]
damn! i'm glad i only started a shitstorm about price gouging arborists!
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:33:24 PM EDT
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So, now did that stray kitty get shot with 1989 or 1990 headstamped ammo?
ar15.com solving the world's problems... er, uh, or at least beating them to death 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:33:37 PM EDT
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Maybe give him a call first or would that be too much like thinking...? (609) 828-7647...! |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 1:37:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2004 2:05:09 PM EDT
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Well of course you are missing something, legalese. With your head stuck so far up your ass, you are bound to miss alot. Now, that was a crude way of disagreeing, wasn't it? And, with just a little effort, I could have stated my position just as effectively and not nearly as offensively. Hmmmm.... kind of like the title of this stupid thread. Maybe "Advertising Discrepancy?" would have gotten some milder retorts. The connotation of ".. NOT AS STATED" kinds of sound like calling someone a liar. It appears Eric has enough friends and satisfied customers for that knid of perceived bashing to get a response. And by the way... suggestions that Strud douche promptly were very funny, and equally applicable to you. Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 3:48:52 PM EDT
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That's right it couldn't possibly be 1989 headstamper cases that were loaded in 1990 now could it?
Heard at the Aussie ammunition factory hey Mates, I know that is January 1990 now but damn if we don't have a bajillion empty 89 headstamp cases letft fromlast year that we didn't get to loading up because we spent all of our time wrapping and packing those bonza bandoleers into the cans. Should we go ahead and use those 89 stamped cases or throw them away?  Fukkin -A maybe they changed over at the fiscal years end even. 1 July it becomes 1990. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 4:12:45 PM EDT
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I see no problem at all.
Customer received something other that what he ordered. Customer doesn't want a refund, or any compensation at all. He simply requests that the seller revise his advertisement to reflect the actual production dates. Where's the problem? Why's everyone got their panties in the bunch? i see no problem wit the buyer's request. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 5:49:26 PM EDT
[#32]
This thread should not have been posted in General Discussion. It should be in Industry section in the Ammoman Forum, that is, if it should have been posted at all: www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=2&f=104 Why do people keep ruining GD with OT stuff like guns and ammo?
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Posted: 8/18/2004 7:24:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Christ, of all the shit we have to deal with while enjoying our 2nd A rights, you're concerned about a 5 month difference in ammo?
Bring it up with the dealer and see what he thinks. I'll put money on it just being a fluke package. - BUCC_Guy |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 7:29:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Good luck getting any help out of Ammoman
Im not going to engage in personal attacks. However, I am going to attack ammoman.com's piss poor customer service. Ive been buying off the internet for 7 years now and have NEVER recieved such blantant disreguard for the customer. SPEND YOUR MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:07:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Really?... Damn, I have always recieved excellent service from ammoman. In fact, I would have to say that of all the stuff I have ever ordered on the internet...buying ammo from ammoman has always been the easiest, hassle-free, problem-free experience. Sorry you had bad luck. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:23:20 PM EDT
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I've never had a problem with his customer service. They made a mistake and sent me the wrong shit once. I called him, and he cheerfully made me a hell of a deal. Call me a satisfied customer. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:29:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Same here, I got terrrible customer service from him. However I probably wouldn't care if I got 89 dated instead of 90's. As long as it worked. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:18:23 AM EDT
[#38]
Ammoman's website clearly states on it's return page "We do not make it and we do not inspect each and every one of thousands of cans and cases we ship. We will however, still guarantee the items." So if the rnds are indeed marked '89, then you did get something you did not pay for and are entilted to a replacement or your money back.
Since they clearly state they do not look through each can, it is very possable for them to make a mistake, in which case it is covered by their policy stated on thier website. -They probably have over 2 million rnds of ammunition in stock at any given time. It would have taken you maybe two minutes to clear up if you would have called thier customer service rep. Ammoman has no history of negative feedback/transactions, which would lead one to assume this was an accident. 100% Posative feedback rating under "Ammoman": www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=217855 Also, the LOT# and YOM should be printed on the tin. Hope you get exactly what you wanted. *ETA, I checked the website and the rnds don't come packed in a tin.  Link to pic www.ammoman.com/images/blister3081.jpg |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:27:35 AM EDT
[#39]
Silly Goblin, he is correct. 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:29:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Was it a full case ?
The reason I ask is because the last case I got was in the 800 round wooden box with five 160 round boxed blister packs . 1 box was 88 Two were 89 and the other two were 90 . The case appeared to be factory sealed . And the label on the pallet it came off of said 90s production .  I don’t feel cheated it because all goes bang when I ask , and is IMHO the best surplus .308 ammo out there at the moment . No matter what the headstamp is . |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:48:56 AM EDT
[#41]
Strudle, the only thing the date stamp on the brass indicates it was produced AFTER the date stamp, dumbass!
Lump of coal for you! |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:31:29 AM EDT
[#42]
Well technically its 90's production.
Financial year starts in July or June so technically it falls into 1990's financial year. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 3:41:31 AM EDT
[#43]
So a 1990 Corvette can be produced in 1989 but it is still a 1990. Get over it and shoot the stuff already.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 3:46:18 AM EDT
[#44]
Yeah, I am still ticked that Botach sent me the wrong flashlight bulb and wouldn't make it right ;). That has been about 5 years ago now. I have never had an issue with Eric though, always more than happy. The UPS guy that delivered it is another story. I ordered some .223 that was put in a box about 9x9x9 inches. I am pretty confident that the box started as a cube, but by the time I got it, it was literally almost a sphere. It was a ball. So... Botach sucks UPS sucks Ammoman does not suck |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 3:54:48 PM EDT
[#45]
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=198232&page=1
I thought this thread would be interesting to compare and contrast. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 4:05:26 PM EDT
[#46]
You're right. Both of these people didn't get what was advertised. But that does not change the fact that they are both little bitches for not taking their problem to the vendor (getting a retarded email answer from some droid does not count: "Are website...") and instead whining on ARFCOM. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 5:58:09 PM EDT
[#47]
BFD
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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:19:56 PM EDT
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I have allways had EXCELLANT service from AMMOMAN, Eric and the gang are GREAT TO DEAL WITH, the most hassle free ammo buying over the net, I have ever had. I even bought 1008 rounds of Danish 30-06 ammo from him this week, and am looking forward to it..... |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 9:30:55 AM EDT
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One time I ordered some .40 ammo sort of by accident, I thought it was jacketed but it was not ("high antimony lead" actually). Well, after I figured out my mistake I contacted Ammoman, and he gave me a full refund, contacted UPS to BRING BACK THE CASE THAT HAD ALREADY SHIPPED, and told me to go ahead and order again off the site. So no I don't think he has piss poor customer service, and I'll keep ordering from him. |
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