My question is this, lets say I am in my back yard, and the police release a police dog, and it comes into my backyard and comes at me. Do I resist it, by killing it, or should I just let the crazy fucker bite me, and hope the officer who is supposed to be in control of the dog is nearby?

After all 'It is coming right for me'.

Would I face charges of killing a police dog?

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Some here should be ashamed of themselves and it most certainly is not me.

My question is this, lets say I am in my back yard, and the police release a police dog, and it comes into my backyard and comes at me. Do I resist it, by killing it, or should I just let the crazy fucker bite me, and hope the officer who is supposed to be in control of the dog is nearby?

After all 'It is coming right for me'.

Would I face charges of killing a police dog?

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Notack, I would be embarrassed to share those values for there is the difference  between civilized men and savages.  I would surely run into the burning building to save your children and no dog ever born was worth any human life.  The tragedy is that I am reading the words of allegedly civilized human beings saying they would die or kill for a dog.  Others saying a dog is of greater value than people, etc.  I guess there really are people in this world who should not breed, no pun intended.  

As to the money issue, it does not really bother me.  I have all I need, but maybe not all I want.  The career change has been quite good to me and I certainly make more than a southern California income on a Cleveland cost of living.  Hell, my worst year I doubled the Police Chief salary I was earning, so I won't complain.  Some here should be ashamed of themselves and it most certainly is not me.

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No offense, but making up hypothetical situations and asking what people would do is pointless. Response in real life stituations is the result of many more factors and emotional stimulus than you can ever describe in a small text scenario. Give it up dude...
--RR

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I'm not sure what AJ means, I presume you mean " About Jesus ".  No, I spoke with other religious leaders too and have certainly studied numerous subject quite extensively. I am well degreed and well read.  I still draw the same conclusions.  Humans are always more valuable than animals.

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Equal protection under the law.

Dogs are property, and a working dog is just another tool of the trade or endevour at hand.  It is no more of a Law Enforcement Officer, then handcuffs, vehicles, batons, communication devices, body armor, or any other common tool of the law enforcement profession.  In no way should we entertain the idea that a dog is an Officer of the Law.

If a working dog, while under complete physical control of a trained handler, is killed or damaged beyond suitable use, then the fair market value of the dog, plus the expense of the training required for it to perform the task(s) required should be levied against the guilty party.  

However, if the dog is NOT under the complete physical control of a trained handler(i.e. off the leash or harness) and since voice commands, whistles, clickers, bells, or other noise making devices, or hand and arm signals are not physical control, then the God given right of self preservation should prevail since there are no guarantees that the unleashed dog behaving in an aggressive manner will follow the commands given by the handler.



The beef many of us here have with the current handling of these situations is that the dog owned by the police department is granted elevated status to the point of being a "Petty Officer" on the force.  Meanwhile, the dog owned by Joe Public is not even worth the price Joe paid the breeder for the dog.

In Florida, a felon kicked a police dog, but did not injure the animal.  He was awarded an 8 year addition to his sentence.  Now, I'm all for keeping scumbags off the street.  But what if the circumstances were different.  What if the subject was found innocent of the felony charge, would / should he still serve an 8 year prison sentence for kicking a dog?

In Tennessee, a family is pulled over for a felony stop and removed from their vehicle at gunpoint.  They comply with every command given by the police.  The family alerts the police that there are two dogs in the vehicle and they ask the officers to please shut the doors so the dogs can't get out.  The officers refuse the family's requests, and shortly thereafter, a puppy exits the vehicle and approaches an officer in a submissive manner.  The officer then shoots the submissive dog in the head with a shotgun.  The family is released without charge.  The shooting is considered justified even though the officers did not follow the warnings and requests of the family to secure the vehicle doors, and the  dog was behaving in a submissive manner.  No attempt to reimburse the family for property loss.  


Lets play a little game of what if.

The houses in my neighborhood have their backyards enclosed by 6 ft wooden privacey fences.  My white trash next door neighbor, before he got killed in a head on collision, would sit in his backyard in the evening, sometimes alone, but often with his white trash friends and he / they would smoke marijuana and possibly take other drugs as well.  During some of those times my family and I with our dog, would sit in our backyard sipping some drinks and eating some BBQ.  (The previous statment is true!)  

[b][red]What if[/red][/b] another neighbor, smelled the burning marijuana and called the police.  But for whatever reason(a wrong address, the police can't see or find the numbers on the house), the police  thinking it is the backyard of my dope smoking white trash neighbor, perform a dynamic entry into my backyard via the sideyard gate.  My dog, a 65 pound female Boxer, aggressively defends my son against the threat and in doing so is shot and killed by the first officer through the gate.  My 11 year old son is forced to the ground in the side yard and detained by one of the officers.  It is dark.  I am in the backyard and my view of the sideyard is blocked by my two story house.  I can not see either my son or my dog, but I hear the crash as the gate is breeched, my dog growling, a gunshot, someone yelling "police" and my son screaming like his legs have been cut off.  In the confusion of the moment, I draw my CCW believing my drugged up white trash neighbor and his white trash friends are armed and have just invaded my yard and shot my son.

As the police round the corner of the house from the sideyard to the backyard they are channalized between the house and the fence and they are shining high intensity flashlights which prevent me from being able to ID them as actual police officers.  From a kneeling position behind my patio table, and fearing for the lives of my family and myself, I lay down a field of grazing fire, wounding 2 officers and killing 2 more.  Before I can reload I am wounded and unable to resist the onslaught.  My wife is also shot as she tries to seek cover from the gunfire.  While my wife and I are unconscience in ICU, the police spend the next 3 days searching my house for any possible evidence, but come up empty handed.  Everyone in my family survives the ordeal, but my dog is killed.

Do you think I would be reimbursed for the fair market value of an AKC registered Boxer? Or would the killing  of my dog be considered justifiable?  What if there was a working dog with the entry team, and by chance I killed it as well?  Would / should I spend time in jail for killing the dog?

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I'm not sure what AJ means, I presume you mean " About Jesus ".  No, I spoke with other religious leaders too and have certainly studied numerous subject quite extensively. I am well degreed and well read.  I still draw the same conclusions.  Humans are always more valuable than animals.

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No, actually BA in Police Management, BS in Aerospace engineering and finishing an MBA.

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No, actually BA in Police Management, BS in Aerospace engineering and finishing an MBA.

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I would be embarassed too, if I had only studied AJ.

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Since the vast majority of dogs are loyal, steadfast and true no one could ever confuse them with people.

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So, if you could only keep one, your dog or AR, which would it be?

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Shivan, I understand your logic and reasoning quite clearly.  I simply believe it to be wrong.  Btw There is no specific criminal code in virginia covering this.  Case law however according to a personal injury atty friend of mine from Fairfax pretty much follows Ohio law.  The exception is that in the case of a dog attacking other animals it pretty much mandates that the dog be killed.

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But isn't the founding principal of this country that we are a nation of laws, not men, or dogs for that matter?

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I understand that, this is why I consulted lerned clergymen who may be more in tune with the moral implications of this situation as opposed to the technical legalese.  All assured me that dogs have no soul and that human life is always superior to that of animals. No matter how low we may consider the human.

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I get it, I get it.  Its only the laws we don't like that we don't have to follow.

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...I am greatly saddened and disappointed that there are so many leo's who have already decided that the best way to deal with someone's pet/family member/property is to simply blow it away.

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I have poodle and he is the BIGGEST baby you ever saw. If someone ever killed him.....well....It would not be pretty!

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If it's legitimate, and unavoidable, that's different.

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But you see, thats just it.  I never mentioned going through anyones yard or indiscriminately killing anyone's dog.  I dealt only with attacking dogs.  Now, I presume that in most instances when a dog is killed, it is for legitimate cause.  Some here would make it seem that the police are blood thirsty and just looking for the chance to kill.  This is simply not so.  Now, thats not arrogant at all. Neither is shooting a dog, any dog that appears to be attacking you.  Now, if I jumped the fence and went into the dog's domain, perhaps I would retreat perhaps not, it would really depend on judgement based on the totality of the circumstances. The fact is saving the person on the other side might have more value than the harm to the dog.  Maybe not.  I expect most would act similarly.    

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The Law is irrelevant here.

I don't care what the law is.
You kill my dog, you will answer for it.

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The Law is irrelevant here.

I don't care what the law is.
You kill my dog, you will answer for it.